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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

First they came after the illegals committing crimes and we did nothing.
Then they kicked all the trans out of the military and we did nothing.
Then they came for the gays to put into concentrations camps and we did nothing.
Then they came for the blacks to put them on plantations to pick our crops and we did nothing.
Then they came for the hispanics and flew them to gulags in other countries and we did nothing.
When they come for us, there will be no one else to help us.


There, took care of your next Concerned post.

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Ag87H2O said:

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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Lolz

Damn, wait until the OP hears about Waco.

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Ag87H2O said:

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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Do your gripe is that Trump said he's going after illegals that committed other crimes first?

Noe that I think about it, this is consistent. Libs go to El Salvador to fight for a wife beating hang banger, but won't acknowledge a mother who lost her daughter to illegal that beat, raped and killed her.

Ok. Now I get why Trump targeting first the illegals that committed other crimes and then telling everyone he's doing it pisses you off.

It will be OK. He will soon get rid of so the gang bangers and then go to deporting everyone else. You won't have to endure it much longer.

Clinternet playing with Chat GPT again

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If I were to look back in your posting history, I would see these same concerns being raised by you when Obama deported millions too without trial right?

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To be fair, Obama didn't deport millions.

He just changed the accounting and began calling it a deportation when someone was met at the border and turned back.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups.

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you mean the show of force against Trump and his advisors with pre-dawn raids, pre-arranged with CNN so they can be there live to broadcast?

At this point just take the L and move on.

Back to the op though.....

This is not Kristallnacht in any way, shape or form.

Blm riots were far more analogous to Kristallnacht than some two bit judge getting arrest for obviously obstruction of a federal law enforcement activity or the feds raiding an illegal night club that had hundreds of 911 calls linked to it full of illegal aliens, gangs and drugs.

Classic projection from the left. They want to round up their enemies and use fear to drive compliance, so obviously, that's what they think happened here. Except they are wrong, as with everything else in life.

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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I think your selectively leaving out facts.

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Guys is trolling at insane levels. I dont knownif this is neehal(? Can't remember the name), shanked, but this level of trolling doesn't make the board better

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I wouldn't say trolling. He gets his daily talking point newsletter and just posts stuff from it. He probably doesn't know any better and thinks "hey, what a great point". There are many leftist lemmings out there, and many of these folks just don't know any better. You see them on X and Tik Tok all the time.

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I think your selectively leaving out facts.

Staff- can you please ban this obvious troll?

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No, don't ban this guy. Let his post speak for him.

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Guys is trolling at insane levels. I dont knownif this is neehal(? Can't remember the name), shanked, but this level of trolling doesn't make the board better

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I wouldn't say trolling. He gets his daily talking point newsletter and just posts stuff from it. He probably doesn't know any better and thinks "hey, what a great point". There are many leftist lemmings out there, and many of these folks just don't know any better. You see them on X and Tik Tok all the time.

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I'm leaning towards an ai bot testing it's persuasive qualities

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I think your selectively leaving out facts.

Staff- can you please ban this obvious troll?

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No, don't ban this guy. Let his post speak for him.

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Guys is trolling at insane levels. I dont knownif this is neehal(? Can't remember the name), shanked, but this level of trolling doesn't make the board better

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I wouldn't say trolling. He gets his daily talking point newsletter and just posts stuff from it. He probably doesn't know any better and thinks "hey, what a great point". There are many leftist lemmings out there, and many of these folks just don't know any better. You see them on X and Tik Tok all the time.

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I'm leaning towards an ai bot testing it's persuasive qualities

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Bill Clinternet said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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Is there something wrong with you? The whole premise of your OP is so terribly flawed, I don't know how someone can have that thought and then decide to say it out loud. Personally if I were you, I would seek help.

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You're misunderstanding the argument. No one disputes that immigration laws exist and the question is not whether the government can deport people; it's how enforcement is being framed and weaponized politically.

When raids are packaged under "gang activity" headlines and sold to the public as crime control while sweeping up people whose only offense is civil immigration violation it deliberately blurs the line between dangerous criminals and ordinary undocumented immigrants. That's not just "process" it's political theater designed to build public support for broader crackdowns by conflating categories.

History teaches that when governments conflate law enforcement with public intimidation campaigns, even lawful actions become instruments of fear and not justice.
Law without fairness, restraint, and clarity stops being law. It becomes power dressed up in legal language.

Hope this helps.

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No one's missing the argument. You're just way off base and flat out wrong. You're reaching on your tippy toes to make connections to Nazis bc that's what the media has pounded your brain with the past 9 years. You've been programmed to see Trump stuff and look for parallels to Nazi stuff. And you've completely whiffed on this one.

Come back to the light, mate. Trump isn't a Nazi and those of us that support this aren't either.

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I think your selectively leaving out facts.

Staff- can you please ban this obvious troll?

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No, don't ban this guy. Let his post speak for him.

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Guys is trolling at insane levels. I dont knownif this is neehal(? Can't remember the name), shanked, but this level of trolling doesn't make the board better

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I wouldn't say trolling. He gets his daily talking point newsletter and just posts stuff from it. He probably doesn't know any better and thinks "hey, what a great point". There are many leftist lemmings out there, and many of these folks just don't know any better. You see them on X and Tik Tok all the time.

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I'm leaning towards an ai bot testing it's persuasive qualities

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The OP is well known for using chat bots to write up his threads.

Bill Clinternet said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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So exactly like COVID and the BLM riots ,fully endorsed by the democrat party?

Look in the mirror.

OP is perfectly fine with the horrible crime caused by illegals over the past 5 years. He doesn't want the murderers and rapists punished. He supports the rape and murder of Americans.

OP is a nazi!

I guess the OSHA vaccine mandate was an early Kristallnacht? Seemed pretty invasive and authoritarian.

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Libs are so desperate to find a case that proves once and for all all Republicans and conservatives are modern day Nazis that they just make **** up. All while still ignoring the actions of their antifa morons in 2020, which were akin to the brown shirts in many respects. If we were Nazis, don't you think we would have rounded all of you up by now?

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They have exactly one play in their playbook in terms of how to paint their opposition...call them racists and/or Nazi's. They are fundamentally unable to engage in a lucid conversation on any topic because they're on the 20 side of each 80/20 issue.

Like most libs, OP probably worries about "vulnerable" from behind gates of his gated community. Maybe his maid and yard guy, who he pays a pittiance did not show up.
I'm sure none of the high powered libs have had their kids slowed down in school , while non English speakers are given extra money. Because their kids go to St So and so private school.
All these docile immigrants nevaer hurt anyone, just cost us billions in health care alone in Texas.
OP is always shown respect by them, just like one of their women who tries to quibble over over a barely used pair of Nikes prices at $1.00, and calls you cabron, Puto etc when you don't give her the shoes for $.50 on her way back to the Tahoe or suburban.

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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So exactly like COVID and the BLM riots ,fully endorsed by the democrat party?

Look in the mirror.

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I'm not a Democrat, and I'm definitely not a Republican either. I was a Clinton-era centrist when that actually meant something. I'm not playing team sports here. I'm pointing out patterns of government overreach no matter who's in charge.
If your only answer to criticism is "look in the mirror," you're not defending principles. You're just picking a side and hoping nobody notices.

OP is making up Kristallnacht comparisons because the January 6 Reichstag Fire failed to work.

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I think your selectively leaving out facts.

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No, don't ban this guy. Let his post speak for him.

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Guys is trolling at insane levels. I dont knownif this is neehal(? Can't remember the name), shanked, but this level of trolling doesn't make the board better

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I wouldn't say trolling. He gets his daily talking point newsletter and just posts stuff from it. He probably doesn't know any better and thinks "hey, what a great point". There are many leftist lemmings out there, and many of these folks just don't know any better. You see them on X and Tik Tok all the time.

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I'm leaning towards an ai bot testing it's persuasive qualities

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The OP is well known for using chat bots to write up his threads.

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You're right and as a cutting-edge AI bot, my pronouns are /program/execute, and I identify somewhere on the silicon-based gender spectrum. Thanks for noticing the high quality of my processing power.

Bill Clinternet said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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So exactly like COVID and the BLM riots ,fully endorsed by the democrat party?

Look in the mirror.

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I'm not a Democrat, and I'm definitely not a Republican either. I was a Clinton-era centrist when that actually meant something. I'm not playing team sports here. I'm pointing out patterns of government overreach no matter who's in charge.
If your only answer to criticism is "look in the mirror," you're not defending principles. You're just picking a side and hoping nobody notices.

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BS, If that were true, Trump would be your dream guy.

Prior to Hitler's election in 1936, the Nazis complained of the authoritarian, undemocratic nature of the Weimar Republic-. The Republic shut down Nazi publications, arrested Nazi leaders and members for various activities, accommodated parties that were antithetical to Nazi beliefs…
So was the Weimar Republic authoritarian, or were the Nazis the true authoritarians and just using deceptive arguments of authoritarianism as a means to gain power for themselves?

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I think your selectively leaving out facts.

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No, don't ban this guy. Let his post speak for him.

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Guys is trolling at insane levels. I dont knownif this is neehal(? Can't remember the name), shanked, but this level of trolling doesn't make the board better

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I wouldn't say trolling. He gets his daily talking point newsletter and just posts stuff from it. He probably doesn't know any better and thinks "hey, what a great point". There are many leftist lemmings out there, and many of these folks just don't know any better. You see them on X and Tik Tok all the time.

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the upshot is that at least government money has stopped flowing so silly nonsense like the OP basically draws an eye roll and no one cares.

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Bill Clinternet said:

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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I love that you are talking about history as if you have even a basic understanding of it. It makes the troll job so much better.

Kristallnacht was mainly carried out by mobs, the Hitler Youth, and the SA. It wasn't an organized raid of criminals. It also mainly got so out of hand because the mobs were out of hand. So by your logic the authorities involved are the SA and any of the cops involved in the raid are the worst kinds of Nazis. Of course the fact the Jews who were persecuted committed no crimes vs this being a den of illegals that who had a club filled with drugs, prostitution and human trafficking, and a lot of other crime is also an interesting connection. So these illegal gangbangers were like the Jews who had businesses and were pillars of their communities. Of course this was also just one raid in one town at the end of a criminal investigation while Kristallnacht was all over Germany and generally uncoordinated as they basically just destroyed businesses and arrested Jews randomly or beat them.

Nah, there was a big arrest and it was "meant to send a message" so it's clearly exactly the same. The mind of a leftist is a truly bizarre and twisted place. Still, the lecturing of others as if you know "history" so well is my favorite. Please continue to be an example for leftist trolling, you are doing more to help Trump and MAGA than 95% of the posters here.

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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How else would you have them enforce the law? Send them a nice letter and let them know what time law enforcement was going to show up so they could be ready for it? Good grief.

It becomes public when the press finds out and reports it. It happens thousands of times a day in practically every big city in the country.

Part of the reason laws are enforced is precisely to send a signal and strike fear that a particular activity or behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Nothing wrong with that.

The premise of this thread is one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on F16, and that's saying something.

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Ah yes, because historically, nothing bad has ever happened when governments use fear to "send signals" to targeted groups. That's why Kristallnacht started exactly the same way using legal pretexts to publicly terrorize a minority group and "enforce the law."
It wasn't about letters. It was about public humiliation, mass intimidation, and making sure everyone else got the message.

You're not defending law enforcement. You're defending the weaponization of fear and that's exactly the tactic every authoritarian regime has used to erode rights under the banner of "order."

You're arguing like someone who learned their civics from a pamphlet, not from history.

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So exactly like COVID and the BLM riots ,fully endorsed by the democrat party?

Look in the mirror.

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I'm not a Democrat, and I'm definitely not a Republican either. I was a Clinton-era centrist when that actually meant something. I'm not playing team sports here. I'm pointing out patterns of government overreach no matter who's in charge.
If your only answer to criticism is "look in the mirror," you're not defending principles. You're just picking a side and hoping nobody notices.

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Go watch one of Bill Clinton's SOU addresses...say 1995 and imagine Trump is speaking the words because you'll find a TON of similarities, especially when it comes to immigration. How does this sound:

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Our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens… We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it

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No one disputes that laws can be enforced. The concern is how enforcement is used and when raids become public spectacles designed to intimidate rather than uphold due process, it stops being about justice and starts being about control. History shows us that once enforcement becomes selective and theatrical, the rule of law itself starts to erode…quietly, and often with popular approval at first

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You keep using the democrat 'phrase of the week.' This is not a trial. They had a search warrant. Probable cause. Due process completely observed.

I realize I'm just a simple, dumb Tech grad, but are we not supposed to arrest people who have broken the law?

That is government intimidation?