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Before some of you dismiss concerns about the Colorado Springs nightclub raid, you should understand the deeper issue here.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/28/us/colorado-springs-raid-monday


In 1938, Kristallnacht wasn't just about broken windows….it was about the government using law enforcement and mobs to signal that an entire group of people no longer had protection under the law. It was the moment the Nazis moved from harassment to state-sanctioned terror.

The victims weren't arrested for committing crimes that day…they were targeted for who they were.

That's the critical parallel.

Now look at Colorado Springs:

Over 100 people detained at once, based heavily on immigration status, in a highly publicized, militarized raid.
Justified broadly under the banner of "gang activity" and "drug trafficking," but not everyone arrested was even charged with any crime.
The spectacle of it…mass roundups tied to a specific group…is designed to intimidate, not just enforce laws.

Yes, governments have the right to enforce immigration laws.
But when enforcement becomes a public show of force against a vulnerable population, without transparent due process, it shifts from upholding the law to using fear as policy.

That's not just dangerous; it's textbook authoritarianism.

You don't have to believe today is 1938 Germany to recognize patterns when they emerge.

Freedom doesn't disappear all at once…it's eroded when the government decides some people no longer deserve full legal protections, and others cheer it on because they think it will never reach them.

If you really believe in the Constitution, in liberty, and in America, you stay vigilant…even when the people targeted aren't your tribe.

That may not be the worst take ever….. but it is a top 10%'er.

Please now warn me how the Boy Scouts true purpose is to raise a group of young men to be NAZI youths?

I mean it was a good effort……

If your only response is sarcasm, you're basically admitting you don't have a real argument. No one said enforcing laws is automatically tyranny…the concern is when enforcement turns into public intimidation campaigns against vulnerable groups. That's not hyperbole; it's how authoritarian systems historically consolidate power, slowly and selectively.
If you think mocking history lessons is a substitute for critical thinking, that's your choice.
Otherwise, if you have anything substantive to add, an actual defense of mass roundups with minimal due process…I'm listening.

Lol no

The underground latino club was illegal, unknown to the owner of the property and the lease ended this month. It was illegal stuff done by illegals and got busted for being illegals doing more illegal stuff. Nothing more. We now enforce laws.

Bill Clinternet said:

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If your only response is sarcasm, you're basically admitting you don't have a real argument. No one said enforcing laws is automatically tyranny…the concern is when enforcement turns into public intimidation campaigns against vulnerable groups. That's not hyperbole; it's how authoritarian systems historically consolidate power, slowly and selectively.
If you think mocking history lessons is a substitute for critical thinking, that's your choice.
Otherwise, if you have anything substantive to add, an actual defense of mass roundups with minimal due process…I'm listening.

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Yeah. Not so much. Try again. Not even remotely the same.

No more vulnerable here illegally than where they came from. When the criminal element congregates together in groups, it make catching more of them easier. Sure, spin to "it's about who they are." Be sure to define them properly, though.

Their response is sarcasm because they don't respect bad faith arguments.

Your group of vulnerables entered the country illegally. They became vulnerable by their choice to break our law. Jews however were born Jews and did nothing wrong. So this is a stupid analogy from the go.

Trounce our laws because the democrats encouraged it and now feign outrage that those you illegally allowed in are going back out.

I dont get it.

If these people truly needed refuge and were actually seeking asylum then I'd open my heart and pocketbook. It isn't though. There may be 1 percent that needs help but guess what, we cant help them because we have a mass influx of illegals who had been housed and paid by the previous administration. The outrage is as northeastern libs wanting people to open their doors to illegals but shutting their own in disgust if it comes to actually doing what they say

Bill Clinternet said:

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Before some of you dismiss concerns about the Colorado Springs nightclub raid, you should understand the deeper issue here.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/04/28/us/colorado-springs-raid-monday


In 1938, Kristallnacht wasn't just about broken windows….it was about the government using law enforcement and mobs to signal that an entire group of people no longer had protection under the law. It was the moment the Nazis moved from harassment to state-sanctioned terror.

The victims weren't arrested for committing crimes that day…they were targeted for who they were.

That's the critical parallel.

Now look at Colorado Springs:

Over 100 people detained at once, based heavily on immigration status, in a highly publicized, militarized raid.
Justified broadly under the banner of "gang activity" and "drug trafficking," but not everyone arrested was even charged with any crime.
The spectacle of it…mass roundups tied to a specific group…is designed to intimidate, not just enforce laws.

Yes, governments have the right to enforce immigration laws.
But when enforcement becomes a public show of force against a vulnerable population, without transparent due process, it shifts from upholding the law to using fear as policy.

That's not just dangerous; it's textbook authoritarianism.

You don't have to believe today is 1938 Germany to recognize patterns when they emerge.

Freedom doesn't disappear all at once…it's eroded when the government decides some people no longer deserve full legal protections, and others cheer it on because they think it will never reach them.

If you really believe in the Constitution, in liberty, and in America, you stay vigilant…even when the people targeted aren't your tribe.

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Talk about comparing apples to oranges.

So when does Hitler, I mean Trump, start burning illegal immigrant communities?

Sounds like the illegals better leave the country before Trump really gets rolling, huh?

The left is full of fail. It's on display every day. Their 'mensa' level abilities shine.

They can't meme.

They're claims of fascism by Republicans always fall flat.

Wokeism is fascism and dark woke is fascism on steroids. Please send more trans to burn Teslas. Please allow criminal aliens to remain free and rampage.

Why do you keep referring to them as "vulnerable?"

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Why do you keep referring to them as "vulnerable?"

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That way he can lump them in with the Jews who went through the Holocaust. It's a really sorry attempt.

It's all about emotion from the left.

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Otherwise, if you have anything substantive to add, an actual defense of mass roundups with minimal due process…I'm listening.

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Not a single person was denied due process. When you are a suspected criminal, you get arrested. When you are suspected illegally in the country, you get detained.

Tell us specifically who has been denied due process and what process was due.

"Vulnerable" victims being targeted because of status my ass. The feds have been on this place for months. Drug trafficking, guns being fired out of car windows, prostitution. Cocaine seized. The Mayor, local DA, and liberal Colorado governor praised the raid, and "sanctuary" state/city/whatever even supplied officers. There were even members of the military busted in the raid

Clinternet is a troll, nothing more. And this thread is idiotic

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Over 100 people detained at once, based heavily on immigration status, in a highly publicized, militarized raid.
Justified broadly under the banner of "gang activity" and "drug trafficking," but not everyone arrested was even charged with any crime.
The spectacle of it…mass roundups tied to a specific group…is designed to intimidate, not just enforce laws.

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To be completely and unambiguously clear, it would be perfectly fine if they were targeted ONLY because of immigration status because the specific immigration status being targeted is those who are breaking the law by being present. Doing the raid under that "banner" alone is perfectly justified but it was a lot more than than.

You make a false equivalence between immigration status and race or religion. These people aren't targeted for their race or religion. They are are targeted because they are here illegally. They broke the law and they continue to break the law by their presence.

You say that people were arrested without being charged with a crime but they were gathered at an illegal establishment that was violating the law by serving alcohol and illegal drugs, violating fire codes, and prostitution.

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Several active duty military members working as armed security for an illegal alien gang underground nightclub in Colorado Springs, Colorado were busted during a DEA raid early Sunday morning; several other active duty military members patronizing the club were also detained according to a statement to reporters by DEA Rocky Mountain Field Division Special Agent in Charge John Pullen. All told, over a dozen active duty service members were reportedly detained at the club. Pullen said that some of the military working security were involved in criminal activity at the club.

Pullen said "significant drug trafficking, prostitution" and "crimes of violence" took place at the club and that guns and drugs were seized during the raid. Out of over 200 hundred people at the club, over 100 illegal aliens were arrested and are being held by ICE.

Pullen said the raid was the result of a months long undercover investigation and that Tren de Aragua, MS-13 and Hells Angels gang members had been observed at the club during the investigation. Pullen could not immediately confirm if any gang members were detained in the raid.

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Cry me a river. Enforcing the law to shut down gang run clubs is why we don't have more stories night club fires with dozens of people killed because the exits were blocked.

This wasn't about race at all. This raid was all about criminal behavior. You might not like the fact that illegal aliens are criminals by their very presences, but they are.

Keep on defending the indefensible and making your political cause the harboring of criminals to protect them from the rule of law. It's a great look.

I'm ok with the message being sent that if you break the law you will be punished accordingly.

As opposed to your side that would prefer lawlessness while screeching from the roof tops that "nO oNe iS aBoVE thE LaW"

I did NAZI that coming.

That's a ton of words when you could have just said "Trump is Hitler."

Somebody thinks EVERYTHING is racist...even when it's not. Sorry OP, correlation = "0.00"

Quick summary:

What Happened?
Date & Location: In the early hours of Sunday, April 27, 2025, over 300 federal and local law enforcement officers conducted a raid on an unlicensed after-hours nightclub near Academy Boulevard and Airport Road in Colorado Springs.
Purpose of the Raid: The venue had been under investigation for several months due to suspected activities including drug trafficking, prostitution, and violent crimes.



What Was Found?
Occupants: Approximately 200 individuals were inside the club at the time of the raid.
Arrests: Authorities detained 114 individuals suspected of being in the U.S. illegally.
Contraband Seized: Agents confiscated various drugs, including cocaine, methamphetamine, and "pink cocaine" (also known as "tusi"), along with 12 firearms.

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Hmm. I think staff should nuke this thread. OP is an obvious troll. If he wanted to have a real discussion he would have been back by now.

Remind me how the above summary somehow seems like 1938 Germany? FFS

What's wrong with a show of force? We have a massive illegal immigrant problem in this country created by the dems. We have to show we're serious now. I've got no problem with this and the constant comparisons to anything Nazi Germany are exhausting.

Bill Clinternet said:

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If your only response is sarcasm, you're basically admitting you don't have a real argument. No one said enforcing laws is automatically tyranny…the concern is when enforcement turns into public intimidation campaigns against vulnerable groups. That's not hyperbole; it's how authoritarian systems historically consolidate power, slowly and selectively.
If you think mocking history lessons is a substitute for critical thinking, that's your choice.
Otherwise, if you have anything substantive to add, an actual defense of mass roundups with minimal due process…I'm listening.

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I want public intimidation to criminals. Sorry, not sorry at all.

"Freedom doesn't disappear all at once…it's eroded when the government decides some people no longer deserve full legal protections, and others cheer it on because they think it will never reach them"

They're illegal. They don't have full legal protections.

Only a lib would compare illegals in a country being arrested to that.

You gotta be ****ing kidding me

Illegal club run by illegals with a heavy international gang presence conducting drug and human trafficking crimes gets raided: Kristalnacht

Dem terrorists beating up Jews and denying Jewish students access to classes because they are Jews = Freedom of Speech

The mind of a liberal moron

OP is over the top
That being said raids like this aren't going to move the needle. This raid and the one in florida look more like publicity than actual policy.
It's a random nightclub on a random night in random small city and a random group of Latinos were detained.
This raid did accomplish 2 goals it showed the MAGA faithful that Trump was doing something and it triggered the libs.

I congratulate Trump for securing the border .
Next we need prison camps that meet bare humanitarian standards to start store and processing the people who have to go

The people who have to go first are the currently incarcerated These camps would house these prisoners while there return to nation of origin was negotiated.
These prison camps are the key elements to actually changing the status quo. When an illegal is arrested he should not be sent to county lock up he needs to enter a federal prison that holds him checks to make sure he is not a citizen and then returns him to his country of origin. County lock up is designed to process citizens and is ill equipped for the mission of deporting people who get arrested.

If we could start deporting those that are already in prison and develop a system where if you get arrested and you meet other criteria* are fast tracked for deportation that could start to change the status quo.

* for example I think DACA has gone away but people who were under DACA should not fast tracked for deportation for minor offenses.

There are more than enough immigrants that should be deported quickly and that should be the focus.

There was nothing "random" about this.

This was a known prolific den of criminals. That's why it was chosen.

Despite what democrats claim, 90% of the people fully support Trump rounding up these types of cretians.

Gee Bill, let's think about this for a second. The German National Socialists (the Nazis) didn't have the law behind them at the time, but what they did have was a group of "believers in the cause", the Brown-shirts, who were willing to break the law to get the public to bend to their will, and the government was willing to ignore the laws that they had because of the race involved.

I know which group is closer to the analogy, and it isn't this raid on an illegal nightclub.

Is this the same club I heard Pam Bondi say had over 100+ 911 calls, with drugs, guns, and illegals all involved the Biden Admin ignored? Sounded like it was a joint effort between all agencies on this raid.

You make take exception to the word random but why this night club on this night

I still think setting up systems that do a better job of deporting criminals is a better policy than just rolling up on sketchy nightclubs that have a predominantly illegal clientele

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You make take exception to the word random but why this night club on this night

I still think setting up systems that do a better job of deporting criminals is a better policy than just rolling up on sketchy nightclubs that have a predominantly illegal clientele

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Maybe. But they bagged 100+ people in one night.

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It's a random nightclub on a random night in random small city and a random group of Latinos were detained.

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Not random at all. This was the result of a months long undercover investigation led by the DEA. By no coincidence, there was a huge jurisdictional overlap with ICE because the club was being run by illegal alien gangs. The presence of active duty military personnel working as armed security for the club adds another dimension to this.

WATCH: DEA Special Agent in Charge Jonathan Pullen describes the federal operation this morning at an illegal nightclub in Colorado Springs. Some active duty military, as well as gang members and many people in the U.S. illegally, were among those detained. pic.twitter.com/21PrvrBU7m

— Denver7 News (@DenverChannel) April 27, 2025

The framing of this as an ICE raid is because the news media believes that they can paint this in terms of poor persecuted law abiding Latinx getting rounded up just for no reason at all. When it no longer serves their purpose the media will ignore the daily raids of criminal illegal enterprises even as the number of raids continues to gain pace.

BTW, it wasn't just DEA and ICE but they also used badge carrying US Postal service and IRS agents to assist. Great use of available manpower. Hopefully it continues and criminals of all nationalities will realize that they no longer enjoy the sanctuary that was granted them by a Democrat President.

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You make take exception to the word random but why this night club on this night

I still think setting up systems that do a better job of deporting criminals is a better policy than just rolling up on sketchy nightclubs that have a predominantly illegal clientele

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This was not a random nightclub.

They are doing both.

HTH