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usmcbrooks said:

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The mental gymnastics of the KA supporters has reached Olympic levels.

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They're not even making any sense. They literally don't care about truth or justice. They care about black people being able to freely hurt and kill white people because of muh racism.

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fc2112 said:

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During punishment, the state will be able to bring all his past history up.

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Pinochet said:

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I thought someone here said the judge handles punishment in this case?

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Im Gipper said:

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Pinochet said:

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I thought someone here said the judge handles punishment in this case?

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In Texas, the defendant can choose the jury to decide sentencing. This must be decided before trial starts. If no written request if made for jury doing sentencing, then the default is that the judge does it.

The conventional wisdom here is that Karmelo elected jury for sentencing.

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Teslag said:

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ts5641 said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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The mental gymnastics of the KA supporters has reached Olympic levels.

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They're not even making any sense. They literally don't care about truth or justice. They care about black people being able to freely hurt and kill white people because of muh racism.

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I've noticed a lot of them on X/Twitter have moved on from claiming Special K's innocence to just saying awful things like "he may go to prison at least he's alive while that bully is dead" or something to that effect. Of course for many of them prison is like a rite of passage.

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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People are saying they think the jury will be lenient because of KA's age. They wouldn't want me on the jury if that's what people hope for. I'm more likely to consider the lasting effects of the crime than the age of the perpetrator. In this case, the Metcalf family only saw one of their sons graduate and will only send one off to college. Hunter will have someone other than his twin brother standing beside him as best man at his wedding. Hunter won't have his brother with him at the hospital when his wife delivers their first baby. The Metcalf family will have fewer grandchildren because half their children were taken from them. Hunter will make the decisions alone when it comes to caring for his aging parents. Every holiday, there is an empty chair at the table that will never be filled. KA needs to SERVE a minimum of 50 years. Whatever punishment would make that the minimum required before eligible for parole is what I would recommend.

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doubledog said:

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Back to the Go Fund Me account. Will a civil case be able to claim it?

Over $600K now.

https://nypost.com/2026/06/02/us-news/karmelo-anthony-still-raking-in-donations-even-as-murder-trial-gets-underway-and-his-funds-could-help-him-win/

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doubledog said:

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Back to the Go Fund Me account. Will a civil case be able to claim it?

Over $600K now.

https://nypost.com/2026/06/02/us-news/karmelo-anthony-still-raking-in-donations-even-as-murder-trial-gets-underway-and-his-funds-could-help-him-win/

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Im Gipper said:

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Collin County taxpayers are paying Shook's salary on this deal

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Do you have a link showing this to be the case? This is the hot rumor on Facebook, but I have not seen anything substantive.

Mike Howard was hired two months before Karmelo filed his indigency motion. It seems clear a very substantial retainer came from that fund raiser account.

(BTW, people are STILL donating to this scumbag)

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Im Gipper said:

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That is my understanding based on the Code of Criminal Procedure and 30 years experience.

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And poor little Karmelo had no right to stab a boy in the heart.

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Jack Squat 83 said:

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doubledog said:

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Back to the Go Fund Me account. Will a civil case be able to claim it?

Over $600K now.

https://nypost.com/2026/06/02/us-news/karmelo-anthony-still-raking-in-donations-even-as-murder-trial-gets-underway-and-his-funds-could-help-him-win/

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Google says GFM can't be used for defense of violent crimes, which obviously conflicts with the NY Post story.

Seems they showed their left-wing bias in a higher profile situation sometime in the past.

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Im Gipper said:

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That is my understanding based on the Code of Criminal Procedure and 30 years experience.

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The mental gymnastics of the KA supporters has reached Olympic levels.

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They're not even making any sense. They literally don't care about truth or justice. They care about black people being able to freely hurt and kill white people because of muh racism.

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I've noticed a lot of them on X/Twitter have moved on from claiming Special K's innocence to just saying awful things like "he may go to prison at least he's alive while that bully is dead" or something to that effect. Of course for many of them prison is like a rite of passage.

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a finishing school, of sorts

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I had a trial in November in SDTX with a pretty smarmy opposing counsel. Got snapped at several times by Judge Bennett. And then Judge Bennett pulled us aside on day 3 of plaintiff's case and asked (sarcastically) what his case was about, since he'd seen so little evidence of anything relevant. That's a nice feeling being on the right end of that one.

BTW, in a 5 day trial I made 2 objections.

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Don't interrupt when your opposition is making mistakes.

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True dat!

To be fair, I did catch the Judge's wrath one morning -- outside of the presence of the jury -- when I asked for a short bathroom break between witnesses. Coffee and cold medicine caused an emergency. I was sternly reminded of the Court's daily schedule that was outlined from the beginning.

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The defense has to fight that definition. It eliminates the self defense.

Under Texas law, you are not allowed to provoke a situation, get attacked by the person you provoked and then claim self defense.

If the claim is that the D sitting in the tent provoked the situation, there is no valid claim for self defense.

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So they are objecting to clearly applicable law that hits the facts of the case on the head.

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Z3phyr said:

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Troy91 said:

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The defense has to fight that definition. It eliminates the self defense.

Under Texas law, you are not allowed to provoke a situation, get attacked by the person you provoked and then claim self defense.

If the claim is that the D sitting in the tent provoked the situation, there is no valid claim for self defense.

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This is what chatgpt gave me, I would need someone with more knowledge on the subject to confirm:

Under Texas law (Penal Code 2.03, 9.31, 9.32):
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Defendant's burden

• Anthony only has a burden of production: he must point to some evidence that he:
  
  • Actually believed he needed to use force (or deadly force) to protect himself, and
  • That belief was about an imminent threat of unlawful force (or deadly force).

State's burden after that

• Once selfdefense is raised, the State must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Anthony did not act in selfdefense.
• The prosecutor can do that by convincing the jury beyond a reasonable doubt of any one of these (examples):
  
  • Anthony did not actually believe he was in danger (no genuine fear), or
  • His belief was not reasonable under the circumstances, or
  • There was no imminent threat, or
  • The force he used was more than necessary (excessive), or
  • He was the initial aggressor or otherwise not legally entitled to claim selfdefense under the statute.

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