Trump to Invoke 1798 Alien Enemies Act

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will25u
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It is just going to be back at the SCOTUS soon. The activist judges are going to say AEA criminals get a month notice and Trump admin will appeal again since they want 24 hours or less.
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Most of these people will never be deported.

The courts will keep them here until the Democrats get power and grant them full citizenship.
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will25u said:

It is just going to be back at the SCOTUS soon. The activist judges are going to say AEA criminals get a month notice and Trump admin will appeal again since they want 24 hours or less.
Because there is no constitutional support for giving them notice, much less a month.
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How in the hell is it so damn difficult to deport illegals? Common sense says that giving illegals early notice allows them time to disappear. We are such a stupid country.
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

How in the hell is it so damn difficult to deport illegals? Common sense says that giving illegals early notice allows them time to disappear. We are such a stupid country.


Because our laws make it difficult. That's something Republicans in Congress could conceivably fix. Trump keeps looking for clever ways around existing law when all this time his party controls the levers of power to pass whatever laws they want.
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

How in the hell is it so damn difficult to deport illegals? Common sense says that giving illegals early notice allows them time to disappear. We are such a stupid country.


I may be misspeaking here, but this is in reference to after they've already been apprehended and are in detention. You're deporting them under aea, you have to give them some sort of notification that they can pursue a habeas claim before you can deport them

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will25u said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

How in the hell is it so damn difficult to deport illegals? Common sense says that giving illegals early notice allows them time to disappear. We are such a stupid country.


I may be misspeaking here, but this is in reference to after they've already been apprehended and are in detention. You're deporting them under aea, you have to give them some sort of notification that they can pursue a habeas claim before you can deport them


No that is correct. The only justiciable issue under AEA lies in habeas which requires a fling with the court of competent jurisdiction over the custodian. That habeas proceeding is limited as tow whether they fall under the confines of the proclamation.
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If Trump didn't repeatedly act extra-judiciously on this, then maybe we wouldn't have the Supreme Court stepping in here.
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Im Gipper said:

Updated Order!

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a1007_g2bh.pdf


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To be clear, we decide today only that the detainees are entitled to more notice than was given on April 18, and we grant temporary injunctive relief to preserve our jurisdiction while the question of what notice is due is adjudicated. See post, at 13 (ALITO, J., dissenting). We did not on April 19and do not nowaddress the underlying merits of the parties' claims regarding the legality of removals under the AEA. We recognize the significance of the Government's national security interests as well as the necessity that such interests be pursued in a manner consistent with the Constitution. In light of the foregoing, lower courts should address AEA cases expeditiously.



I read that as

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we really stepped IT in here, someone file something quickly so we can end this

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Gordo14 said:

If Trump didn't repeatedly act extra-judiciously on this, then maybe we wouldn't have the Supreme Court stepping in here.
Since the neither the district court, appeals court, nor SCOTUS have made any rulings on the merits of the case, you have no idea if the Trump admin has acted extra-judiciously.

hth
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aggiehawg said:

will25u said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

How in the hell is it so damn difficult to deport illegals? Common sense says that giving illegals early notice allows them time to disappear. We are such a stupid country.


I may be misspeaking here, but this is in reference to after they've already been apprehended and are in detention. You're deporting them under aea, you have to give them some sort of notification that they can pursue a habeas claim before you can deport them


No that is correct. The only justiciable issue under AEA lies in habeas which requires a fling with the court of competent jurisdiction over the custodian. That habeas proceeding is limited as tow whether they fall under the confines of the proclamation.
Though annoying, this is nothing really more. It's SCOTUS saying they want a ruling from the 5th, so they can then do something. The annoying thing is that they, nor 5th have jurisdiction for further matters beyond a simple habeas claim, but really they want parameters in a ruling sent to them for what type of notice/process has to be followed under the AEA proclamation.

It's definitely not what Democrats/TDS want to celebrate, that these gang members won't be deported for a period of years. It's quite far from that really, and also not a 'landmark' decision. People are just emotional about this, imho, and buy the immediate headlines.
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Gordo14 said:

If Trump didn't repeatedly act extra-judiciously on this, then maybe we wouldn't have the Supreme Court stepping in here.


We don't know yet if the Trump admin is acting extra judiciously. The only hearing that have been heard are about the temporary injunctions and preliminary injunctions.

Nothing has been heard about the actual cases.

If you are talking about Garcia, the DOJ/Trump Admin position is that after he was declared a terrorist, that trumped the immigration ruling that he couldn't be deported to where he was from. We will see what happens. But that is where we are.

ETA: Trump has not defied any judiciary order.
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Presumably (well) paid to allow this Calisco gang to use the Arroyo Terminals in Rio Hondo, bringing in over 3000 truck loads of stolen oil?

I broke down and clicked on the reddit thread;
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The indictment states that they allegedly brought 2,881 shipments of crude oil into the United States, claiming it was falsely labelled "waste of lube oils" and "petroleum distillates."

In the warrant filed for James Jensen's arrest, authorities say that over $47 million has gone from him to Mexican businesses. They allege that he is "in business relationships with individuals he knows work with Mexican criminal organizations."
CBS story:

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A grand jury indicted Maxwell; his father, James Lael Jensen; his mother Kelly Anne Jensen; and his brother, Zachary Golden Jensen, in April.

They're charged with participating in a conspiracy to launder money linked to fraudulently imported crude oil.

The indictment also charged Maxwell and James with aiding and abetting the smuggling of goods and making false statements.

Details about the conspiracy surfaced in April and May, when members of the Jensen family appeared in court.
Lock 'em up.
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I'm Gipper
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Guess the 5th Circuit acted "extra judicially," per some people. It's utter nonsense that the courts' obstruction is talking this long to stop. .
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So, so stupid.

Not sure those guys were deported under AEA though.

Just want to keep this thread current/page 1 as we might get SCOTUS to finally do something this week.
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Same El Paso Judge tried to block Trump previously from building the border wall before the fifth circuit stepped in

Allowing judges (district judges, but also circuit courts, and Supreme Court ) to decide what constitutes an invasion under this act is setting very dangerous precedent for the future.
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And he'll get slapped down, yet again.

ETA: Briones was born in 1943, his time of mischief/sedition from the bench is not going to last too much longer. I wonder if he is just bitter that Trump is likely to pick his replacement, at this point.
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This has been going on a while. Attempts to escalate to SCOTUS don't seem to work, and Roberts (POS) may not allow them to take it on, and don't forget the Trojan Horse Barrett (POS as well), who will run to the left whenever it really counts, since the SCOTUS leak.

Roberts and Barrett arecompromised.
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Gordo14 said:

If Trump didn't repeatedly act extra-judiciously on this, then maybe we wouldn't have the Supreme Court stepping in here.


Acting Extra-judiciously furthers the power of the executive , makes headlines, and "wins" news cycle
This isn't about efficiently getting illegals out of the country of fixing the underlying problems with guest workers visas and immigration.

If you remember this is about making a good tv show it makes more sense
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Haven't read the order yet. Will try later
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Judge Haines is making it up as he goes. Dummy.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Judge Haines is making it up as he goes. Dummy.


I dont want assign gender, but believe Stephanie is a birthing person.

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Could be. Obviously not one deserving any kind of respect.
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So a.designated terrorists gets 21 days to.sit in jail to wait to.file.a habeas claim?

Expedited deportation happens a lot faster. This essentially neuters the AEA of it stands.
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Thread about AEA hearing today.


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THIS is was THE reason I quit the ACLU & disassociated myself from them; however, a close second was their unabashed hatred of Christianity (& only Christianity)- NOT Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc.

Next was the Southern Poverty Law Center, because the demand for racism outweighed the actual supply; therefore, they decided to create "boogymen" where none existed. To accomplish this, they recklessly applied salacious & defaming labels against these boogymen, substituted unestablished 'causes' for effects, & literally fabricated "mens rea" (a/k/a 'motive') through false associations, reliance upon social media posts/ memes (where said boogyman in some cases simply "liked" &/or used a laughing emoji to racist albeit funny memes/ posts created by a third party), & 'hearsay' evidence (that should've been excluded but were often allowed b/c such was deemed a "declaration against interests" courtesy of 'unknown &/or confidential sources'). They used these unethical tactics & more alongside a particular favorite, which were appeals towards "public policy concerns" that relied heavily upon mostly 'hypothetical consequences' & conjecture, including veiled threats of retaliation &/or riots if a decision was made against them/ their client(s). Consequently, these threats were especially effective because jurors/ judges simply felt it easier to decide against a boogyman as a matter of convenience so as to protect their own pecuniary &/or safety interests. MANY cases were absolute ****-shows that were litigated solely for publicity, & more importantly, FUNDING ("GoFundMe" accounts & donations to "combat tyranny" &/or "white supremacy"); it was a carnival show, conducted in a metaphorical 'House of Mirrors Funhouse.'

Edited for punctuation.
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Secolobo said:


They've been wrong about literally everything for 50+ years. Of course they algin with the dems so that makes perfect sense.
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Sounds like (Breitbart link) the 5th circuit appeal re: AEA went well for Trump/America;
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President Donald Trump's determined use of the Alien Enemies Act to enable fast-track deportations is likely to get approved by a three-judge appeals court panel, say media reports.
Under the headline, "Appeals court seems likely to back Trump's deportations under wartime law,' the Washington Post wrote:
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"Can you give me a Supreme Court case that says a federal court can countermand the chief executive on a decision in an armed conflict?" Judge Andrew S. Oldham challenged Lee Gelernt, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union. Oldham, who was nominated to the court by Trump during his first term, added later, "Are we allowed to conduct a federal trial to countermand the president when he says this is an invasion?"
Judge Leslie H. Southwick, who was appointed by President George W. Bush, acknowledged that Tren de Aragua may not fit the traditional definition of an invading foreign power. Still, he said, Trump has described the gang's alleged activities in the United States in ways that could be considered "a preface to an invasion."
A win at the appeals court may help Trump's lawyers persuade the Supreme Court to OK his use of the 1798 law.
The New York Post reported:
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The conservative-leaning US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit heard arguments Monday for just under an hour from both Trump administration lawyers defending the president's invocation of the 18th-century act and American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) attorneys representing some of the alleged members of Tren de Aragua the administration is seeking to remove under the wartime law.

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amercer said:

Who are we at war with? The lawn care guys?


If they illegal I'd say yes.
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