Judge blocks Trump from dropping the hammer on Perkins Coie

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https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/

https://www.pogo.org/policy-letters/whistleblower-advocates-to-congress-overturn-navy-v-egan

"We, the undersigned whistleblower advocacy organizations, write to urge you to pass legislation this Congress to overturn Department of the Navy v. Egan1 and to explicitly authorize judicial review of agency security clearance decisions. Since this 1988 Supreme Court decision, administrations of both parties have erroneously cited Egan to argue in favor of largely unchecked executive branch authority over security clearance decisions, and some federal courts have misinterpreted the holding and scope of Egan, with deleterious consequences."

https://sujitchoudhry.medium.com/does-the-president-have-the-power-to-revoke-security-clearances-a0f2126f2441

"Since then, courts and government officials have argued that Egan supports the president's extremely broad, even unfettered discretionary powers in matters of national security. Such an interpretation would support the argument that the president could revoke security clearances for whatever reason. Thus, the matter of whether the security clearance was revoked for political reasons or because the holders had attempted to "monetize" the clearance, such as by writing a tell-all book, would be irrelevant."
nortex97
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Reminds me of Tom Cruise mocking comment in top gun 'over-ruled? No no, your honor, we strenuously object. Oh, well, 'strenuously'? Fine then.'
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_Howell#/media/File:Beryl_Howell_(cropped).jpg



Obligatory " It's a man baby!!! " So sick of these F'ing politicians in black robes.

#FJB
Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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nortex97 said:

Reminds me of Tom Cruise mocking comment in top gun 'over-ruled? No no, your honor, we strenuously object. Oh, well, 'strenuously'? Fine then.'


A Few Good Men not Top Gun

Aggie Fish drill team were the opening scene too by the way
“ How you fellas doin? We about to have us a little screw party in this red Prius over here if you wanna join us.”
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4 said:

I don't really care, Margaret


Well Bobby I freakin care! Every one of those Jack wads who lose their clearances are less lethal. Need to remove as many clearances as possible.
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nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Well it was pretty abrupt. I think that her point was that even criminals/ilegal aliens etc. get more due process than this, but I don't think it will hold up.

For those not able/willing to use X fyi this is another Beryl Howell opinion.

I doubt it holds up but it was pretty much pre-determined she'd side with the communist lawfare group She's so often been a partner with from the bench. And I'm not sure how much this particular TRO will matter even in the short term.

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Update on the Executive Order on the law firm Perkins Cole: A federal judge shot down the portion that banned them from federal buildings, and banned them from representing third party clients in front of the government. She *upheld* the portion that stripped them of their security clearances, and allowed EEO investigations to go forward. This make sense.

She oversaw the mueller **** show, one time Pat Leahy assistant, complete clown.



Time to start going after these activist judges that make political rulings. They need to be removed…
Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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Here's what the judge actually said
Howell's restraining order prevents the Trump administration from barring Perkins Coie employees from accessing government buildings. However, it does not apply to the security clearance reviews called for in Trump's order, the judge noted.
“ How you fellas doin? We about to have us a little screw party in this red Prius over here if you wanna join us.”
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Cargo Shorts FTW said:

I guess this answers my question as to how valuable these clearances are. I thought it wasn't much more than a symbolic act to revoke them.

At some point justice Roberts is going to have to put on his big boy pants and deal with this, otherwise the courts are going to be forever getting these cases for every action by every president from now on.
From their filing, 25% of the firm's revenue comes from government and NGO contracts.
Ag In Ok
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If the contract includes a termination for convenience clause, not sure what could possibly hold the administration back. As an owner, it's a favorite of mine though i rarely have had to use it.
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So all you have to due is sue the administration and you can get your security clearance.

Don't tell the Chinese..
Im Gipper
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doubledog said:

So all you have to due is sue the administration and you can get your security clearance.

Don't tell the Chinese..



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I'm Gipper
aggiehawg
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Howell's restraining order prevents the Trump administration from barring Perkins Coie employees from accessing government buildings. However, it does not apply to the security clearance reviews called for in Trump's order, the judge noted.
But no use of SCIFs in the meantime, correct? Is there a SCIF within the P-C offices?
Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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aggiehawg said:

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Howell's restraining order prevents the Trump administration from barring Perkins Coie employees from accessing government buildings. However, it does not apply to the security clearance reviews called for in Trump's order, the judge noted.
But no use of SCIFs in the meantime, correct? Is there a SCIF within the P-C offices?



You can just about bet the had a designated area claimed to be a SCIF if not an actual isolated SCIF.
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aggiehawg
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MarkTwain said:

aggiehawg said:

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Howell's restraining order prevents the Trump administration from barring Perkins Coie employees from accessing government buildings. However, it does not apply to the security clearance reviews called for in Trump's order, the judge noted.
But no use of SCIFs in the meantime, correct? Is there a SCIF within the P-C offices?



You can just about bet the had a designated area claimed to be a SCIF if not an actual isolated SCIF.
What I thought, too.
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rocky the dog said:


Surprised this has 48 stars. This is the same thing everyone who hates Elon says.

People did vote for this judge. They voted for the President who nominated them. Same as with Elon and all of Trump's judges.

His decision is ridiculous but so is "no one voted for this judge"
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nortex97 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Well it was pretty abrupt. I think that her point was that even criminals/ilegal aliens etc. get more due process than this, but I don't think it will hold up.
There is no "due process" for a security clearance.
It's functionally stripping a law firm of the right to practice is her argument (and I mean Howells, not Perkins Coie). I don't think there's a way to force the government to maintain a security clearance but these Obama-Biden judges hate the Trump administration and she's just mad that this one might lose 25% of their business.
Trump invoked the **** Around and Find Out Clause on Perkins Coie.
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PCC_80 said:

Maybe Perkins Coie can keep the firms clearance but that does not mean their employees can keep their clearances. This also does not mean that the P-C offices have to be approved to store classified data/info.

Pull those and lets see what happens next.
Trump: Oh? You've got a clearance, huh? That's nice. Do you have a need to know? No? Then GTFO.
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aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.


The entitlement from PE is so gross. Due process for a security clearance is hilarious. So there are limits to the executive branch's ability to grant access to its own sensitive info?

I truly hate PE and hope the company suffers and any good lawyers working there jump ship.

Satan may pay well but you'll pay with your soul.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Did none of you watch Oppenheimer?

Revoking a security clearance takes at least 3 hours, 15 flashbacks, and two sex scenes.

HTH
Ellis Wyatt
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aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Frau Chutkan also invoked due process when dealing with the EPA and these phony climate scams.
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Frau Chutkan also invoked due process when dealing with the EPA and these phony climate scams.
Anyone who has paid much attention to my posts on legal questions know that I am a bear about due process but my main gripe is procedural due process not substantive. There's a big difference between the two.

But now these judges are muddying the waters on both procedural and substantive due process. Such fundamental concepts to any lawyer, particularly trial attorneys and freakin' judges.
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nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Well it was pretty abrupt. I think that her point was that even criminals/ilegal aliens etc. get more due process than this, but I don't think it will hold up.


The government can pull a clearance without so much as a **** You. It happens all the time.
AGinHI
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txyaloo said:

rocky the dog said:


Surprised this has 48 stars. This is the same thing everyone who hates Elon says.

People did vote for this judge. They voted for the President who nominated them. Same as with Elon and all of Trump's judges.

His decision is ridiculous but so is "no one voted for this judge"

Posters are having a laugh at hypocrisy.

What's the next step here in our neo-Marxist, anti-American, corrupt, lying, thieving, unhinged, hysterical, violent, riotous liberal playbook?

Ah yes...find out where the judge lives.

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aggiehawg said:

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Howell's restraining order prevents the Trump administration from barring Perkins Coie employees from accessing government buildings. However, it does not apply to the security clearance reviews called for in Trump's order, the judge noted.
But no use of SCIFs in the meantime, correct? Is there a SCIF within the P-C offices?
Well, can't get in the SCIF if you don't have a clearance.
Ag with kids
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txyaloo said:

rocky the dog said:


Surprised this has 48 stars. This is the same thing everyone who hates Elon says.

People did vote for this judge. They voted for the President who nominated them. Same as with Elon and all of Trump's judges.

His decision is ridiculous but so is "no one voted for this judge"

So people voted for Elon.

Glad that will shut the left up about that.
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Ag with kids said:

aggiehawg said:

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Howell's restraining order prevents the Trump administration from barring Perkins Coie employees from accessing government buildings. However, it does not apply to the security clearance reviews called for in Trump's order, the judge noted.
But no use of SCIFs in the meantime, correct? Is there a SCIF within the P-C offices?
Well, can't get in the SCIF if you don't have a clearance.
Tell that to Hillary's maid.
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amercer said:

Did none of you watch Oppenheimer?

Revoking a security clearance takes at least 3 hours, 15 flashbacks, and two sex scenes.

HTH
Damn. They revoked mine because our lab got declassified and I didn't even get a reach around.
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aggiehawg said:

Ag with kids said:

aggiehawg said:

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Howell's restraining order prevents the Trump administration from barring Perkins Coie employees from accessing government buildings. However, it does not apply to the security clearance reviews called for in Trump's order, the judge noted.
But no use of SCIFs in the meantime, correct? Is there a SCIF within the P-C offices?
Well, can't get in the SCIF if you don't have a clearance.
Tell that to Hillary's maid.
HAHA...

Fair enough.
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Im Gipper said:

doubledog said:

So all you have to due is sue the administration and you can get your security clearance.

Don't tell the Chinese..



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nortex97
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Ag with kids said:

nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Well it was pretty abrupt. I think that her point was that even criminals/ilegal aliens etc. get more due process than this, but I don't think it will hold up.
The government can pull a clearance without so much as a **** You. It happens all the time.
I'm in no way defending her idiocy/opinion/feelings.
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Why are the only sane and competent lawyers only on the conservative side? Because law schools used to teach the law as it existed, not the law they wanted it to be.

Our legal system is far from perfect but if followed, gets it right more often than wrong. Just follow the rules.
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This is the order to ignore.
Little Rock Ag
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End this nonsense and ignore unlawful rulings. There is no constitutional mandate that allows the court system to do this, and it's going to take some bold action from the other branches to stop it.
Aggie Dad Sip
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Y'all have got to ask yourself this question when trying to decide whether a court ruling is good or bad: "Would I agree with this if the Democrats were in control?"
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Aggie Dad Sip said:

Y'all have got to ask yourself this question when trying to decide whether a court ruling is good or bad: "Would I agree with this if the Democrats were in control?"


Wouldn't care. We elect politicians and they make decisions. I didn't care about Biden pardoning his coke head son because it's his right.
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