Judge blocks Trump from dropping the hammer on Perkins Coie

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Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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A federal judge today
blocked the Trump administration from enforcing a portion of an executive order seeking to penalize Democrat-linked law firm Perkins Coie, siding with plaintiffs from the firm who argued that the order was unconstitutional and a violation of due process protections.


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I don't really care, Margaret
Slicer97
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Let the judge enforce his ruling with his army.
Dad-O-Lot
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At some point I expect Trump to say something to the effect of, "He made his ruling, now let's see him enforce it"
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
aggiehawg
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Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Cargo Shorts FTW
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I guess this answers my question as to how valuable these clearances are. I thought it wasn't much more than a symbolic act to revoke them.

At some point justice Roberts is going to have to put on his big boy pants and deal with this, otherwise the courts are going to be forever getting these cases for every action by every president from now on.
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Someone tell these Perkins ****s: learn to code.
aggie93
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I'm fascinated to hear the justification that the President can't decide who gets Security Clearances. I mean that's next level leftist logic there.
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Maybe Perkins Coie can keep the firms clearance but that does not mean their employees can keep their clearances. This also does not mean that the P-C offices have to be approved to store classified data/info.

Pull those and lets see what happens next.
Ellis Wyatt
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aggie93 said:

I'm fascinated to hear the justification that the President can't decide who gets Security Clearances. I mean that's next level leftist logic there.
Yep. Trump doesn't have the power to de-classify documents or to determine who can access classified documents. Only the judiciary does. Except when democrats are in control.
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unconstitutional and a violation of due process protections.


Irony is ironical.
Old_Ag_91
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I would think security clearances are more of a privilege than a right but maybe that's just me?
TAMUallen
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The judicial is becoming way too instrumental in governing
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Slicer97 said:

Let the judge enforce his ruling with his army.


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PCC_80 said:

Maybe Perkins Coie can keep the firms clearance but that does not mean their employees can keep their clearances. This also does not mean that the P-C offices have to be approved to store classified data/info.

Pull those and lets see what happens next.
That would be awesome and exactly what Trump would do.

Step 1: allows the Law firm to have security.

Step 2: ask law firm to submit names for security approval with White House

Step 3: deny anyone with a two-hop to any who sniffed at the Jan 6, Russiagate, impeachment trial and any other bull**** charge they tried to nail Trump with.
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aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Well it was pretty abrupt. I think that her point was that even criminals/ilegal aliens etc. get more due process than this, but I don't think it will hold up.

For those not able/willing to use X fyi this is another Beryl Howell opinion.

I doubt it holds up but it was pretty much pre-determined she'd side with the communist lawfare group She's so often been a partner with from the bench. And I'm not sure how much this particular TRO will matter even in the short term.

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Update on the Executive Order on the law firm Perkins Cole: A federal judge shot down the portion that banned them from federal buildings, and banned them from representing third party clients in front of the government. She *upheld* the portion that stripped them of their security clearances, and allowed EEO investigations to go forward. This make sense.

She oversaw the mueller **** show, one time Pat Leahy assistant, complete clown.
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Old_Ag_91 said:

I would think security clearances are more of a privilege than a right but maybe that's just me?
Because they are a privilege. If they were a right, they would never expire even after a holder left government work and no longer had a need to know.

This is ludicrous. If they are going to lose potentially 25% of their business, that would be an issue for damages not injunctive relief. Also means their lawyers are incompetent to practice in any other areas of law. There's a crap ton of practicing lawyers out there that never had the need for a security clearance.
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Revoke the clearance anyway
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TAMUallen said:

The judicial is becoming way too instrumental in governing
Beryl Howell is corrupt to the core. She has been acting unlawfully for years. A black-robed tyrant.
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Old_Ag_91 said:

I would think security clearances are more of a privilege than a right but maybe that's just me?
This judges "ruling" is not going to stand
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nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Well it was pretty abrupt. I think that her point was that even criminals/ilegal aliens etc. get more due process than this, but I don't think it will hold up.
There is no "due process" for a security clearance.
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Cargo Shorts FTW said:

I guess this answers my question as to how valuable these clearances are. I thought it wasn't much more than a symbolic act to revoke them.

At some point justice Roberts is going to have to put on his big boy pants and deal with this, otherwise the courts are going to be forever getting these cases for every action by every president from now on.
I'm starting to think that is what he wants.
aggiehawg
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Update on the Executive Order on the law firm Perkins Cole: A federal judge shot down the portion that banned them from federal buildings, and banned them from representing third party clients in front of the government. She *upheld* the portion that stripped them of their security clearances, and allowed EEO investigations to go forward. This make sense.
So they lost security clearance as of now?
Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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Perkins Coie filed a request for an emergency restraining order blocking Trump's executive order from taking force. Well the order called for the firm's employees to be stripped of their security clearances and banned from accessing government buildings. It also called for the termination of the firm's existing contracts with government clients, get this, actions Judge Howell appeared to actually agree with.

Perkins Coie argued that the executive order is a violation of due process protections, free speech, and free association protections under the constitution, and argued it would effectively force the firm's business to a halt. Oh poor you, beside the fact the were acting as a pass through for campaign funds to target Trump and assist in election interference and probably FEC violations.

"It truly is life-threatening," attorneys for Perkins Coie told the judge. "It will spell the end of the law firm."

They're actually admitting they are nothing but a political tool and money laundering machine, when a firm with more than 1,200 attorneys in offices across the United States, Europe, and Asia, can't remain solvent without this access. They need to shut this POS firm down

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BTKAG97
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How does security clearance determination have anything to do with due process?
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Cargo Shorts FTW said:

I guess this answers my question as to how valuable these clearances are. I thought it wasn't much more than a symbolic act to revoke them.

At some point justice Roberts is going to have to put on his big boy pants and deal with this, otherwise the courts are going to be forever getting these cases for every action by every president from now on.
How do you think all of the ex swamp critters peddle their positions after they leave government?
aggiehawg
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Perkins Coie argued that the executive order is a violation of due process protections, free speech, and free association protections under the constitution, and argued it would effectively force the firm's business to a halt.
LOL. From the same people that tried and have been successful in getting attorneys disbarred just for representing Trump are claiming free association violations?

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Eric Daugherty either can't read or just likes to deceive people!


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I take it this is yet another thing that'll end up in the SC.
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Trajan88
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So this fed. judge is taking for the judiciary the decision power of who can and cannot have a security clearance?

Just like other federal judges when they "decide" who can come into / stay in the country.

These judges need to point to the clauses in the Constitution that gives the judiciary these powers (instead of the Executive branch/president).
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aggiehawg said:

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Update on the Executive Order on the law firm Perkins Cole: A federal judge shot down the portion that banned them from federal buildings, and banned them from representing third party clients in front of the government. She *upheld* the portion that stripped them of their security clearances, and allowed EEO investigations to go forward. This make sense.
So they lost security clearance as of now?

Yes. This is another instance where someone on X used a flashing beacon emoji and didn't know what the hell they were talking about.
nortex97
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Ellis Wyatt said:

nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

Due process? Due process rights to a security clearance? That's a first for me.
Well it was pretty abrupt. I think that her point was that even criminals/ilegal aliens etc. get more due process than this, but I don't think it will hold up.
There is no "due process" for a security clearance.
It's functionally stripping a law firm of the right to practice is her argument (and I mean Howells, not Perkins Coie). I don't think there's a way to force the government to maintain a security clearance but these Obama-Biden judges hate the Trump administration and she's just mad that this one might lose 25% of their business.

But yes (to another poster), I think the security clearance part is still revoked.

A lot of bad reporting out there, can't find the actual order yet…I'm sure we'll have it tonight.
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MarkTwain said:

A federal judge today
blocked the Trump administration from enforcing an executive order seeking to penalize Democrat-linked law firm Perkins Coie, siding with plaintiffs from the firm who argued that the order was unconstitutional and a violation of due process protections.



Every one of these activist rulings should be disobeyed. Done with this crap.
Im Gipper
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Trajan88 said:

So this fed. judge is taking for the judiciary the decision power of who can and cannot have a security clearance?





Nope!

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