We're a few months away from a dildo parade...

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Irrelevant. It's not the government's place to decide what they deem acceptable for allowing others to use their facilities.

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I know that. My question was can't they do their thing off campus? What's the purpose of doing on campus, again, other than to cause a scene. What's the benefit for them?

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Why does anyone do anything on Campus? Why does the film club use a room at the Blocker building at night to screen films instead of renting out the local Cinemark? Why do student groups meet in Rudder tower when they could rent out a ballroom at the Hilton?

Why do students want to do things in spaces at the campus they attend and pay for instead of paying for private off-campus space? It boggles the mind really.

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Well, those are more "legit" reasons you just posted. Most student groups don't parade around wearing make-up and dresses trying to draw attention to themselves. You know that.

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Irrelevant. It's not the government's place to decide what they deem acceptable for allowing others to use their facilities.

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I know that. My question was can't they do their thing off campus? What's the purpose of doing on campus, again, other than to cause a scene. What's the benefit for them?

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Why does anyone do anything on Campus? Why does the film club use a room at the Blocker building at night to screen films instead of renting out the local Cinemark? Why do student groups meet in Rudder tower when they could rent out a ballroom at the Hilton?

Why do students want to do things in spaces at the campus they attend and pay for instead of paying for private off-campus space? It boggles the mind really.

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Well, those are more "legit" reasons you just posted. Most student groups don't parade around wearing make-up and dresses trying to draw attention to themselves. You know that.

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They aren't "parading around", they want to hold an optional event that people can willingly choose to see. Even if they were "parading around" campus in makeup and dresses, as long as there is no indecent exposure, they are protected by the freedom of expression.

And the problem with that is...

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nu awlins ag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Irrelevant. It's not the government's place to decide what they deem acceptable for allowing others to use their facilities.

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I know that. My question was can't they do their thing off campus? What's the purpose of doing on campus, again, other than to cause a scene. What's the benefit for them?

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Why does anyone do anything on Campus? Why does the film club use a room at the Blocker building at night to screen films instead of renting out the local Cinemark? Why do student groups meet in Rudder tower when they could rent out a ballroom at the Hilton?

Why do students want to do things in spaces at the campus they attend and pay for instead of paying for private off-campus space? It boggles the mind really.

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Well, those are more "legit" reasons you just posted. Most student groups don't parade around wearing make-up and dresses trying to draw attention to themselves. You know that.

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They aren't "parading around", they want to hold an optional event that people can willingly choose to see. Even if they were "parading around" campus in makeup and dresses, as long as there is no indecent exposure, they are protected by the freedom of expression.

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This "event" then is what, sitting and playing cards or actually putting on a runway show? If you can't see why some people are against that, then there is nothing else to say.

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We're a few months away from a dildo parade...

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Careful, there was a poster on the previous page who apparently got forced into a mandatory parade. Don't let them get you too!!!!!

And the wheels on the goalpost go round and round...

nu awlins ag said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Irrelevant. It's not the government's place to decide what they deem acceptable for allowing others to use their facilities.

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I know that. My question was can't they do their thing off campus? What's the purpose of doing on campus, again, other than to cause a scene. What's the benefit for them?

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Why does anyone do anything on Campus? Why does the film club use a room at the Blocker building at night to screen films instead of renting out the local Cinemark? Why do student groups meet in Rudder tower when they could rent out a ballroom at the Hilton?

Why do students want to do things in spaces at the campus they attend and pay for instead of paying for private off-campus space? It boggles the mind really.

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Well, those are more "legit" reasons you just posted. Most student groups don't parade around wearing make-up and dresses trying to draw attention to themselves. You know that.

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They aren't "parading around", they want to hold an optional event that people can willingly choose to see. Even if they were "parading around" campus in makeup and dresses, as long as there is no indecent exposure, they are protected by the freedom of expression.

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This "event" then is what, sitting and playing cards or actually putting on a runway show? If you can't see why some people are against that, then there is nothing else to say.

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If you're against it...and try to stick with me here...you don't have to go.

Someone should put on a blackface performance (the racial equivalent of a drag show instead of gender form). I'm sure FIRE would be all over defending their right to do so...

I personally don't know what the event is or is about. I'd assume it's like a play.

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nu awlins ag said:

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Flower Child said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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Irrelevant. It's not the government's place to decide what they deem acceptable for allowing others to use their facilities.

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I know that. My question was can't they do their thing off campus? What's the purpose of doing on campus, again, other than to cause a scene. What's the benefit for them?

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Why does anyone do anything on Campus? Why does the film club use a room at the Blocker building at night to screen films instead of renting out the local Cinemark? Why do student groups meet in Rudder tower when they could rent out a ballroom at the Hilton?

Why do students want to do things in spaces at the campus they attend and pay for instead of paying for private off-campus space? It boggles the mind really.

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Well, those are more "legit" reasons you just posted. Most student groups don't parade around wearing make-up and dresses trying to draw attention to themselves. You know that.

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They aren't "parading around", they want to hold an optional event that people can willingly choose to see. Even if they were "parading around" campus in makeup and dresses, as long as there is no indecent exposure, they are protected by the freedom of expression.

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This "event" then is what, sitting and playing cards or actually putting on a runway show? If you can't see why some people are against that, then there is nothing else to say.

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If you're against it...and try to stick with me here...you don't have to go.

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No ***** I didn't realize that. Thanks for informing me.

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nu awlins ag said:

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Flower Child said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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HTownAg98 said:

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Irrelevant. It's not the government's place to decide what they deem acceptable for allowing others to use their facilities.

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I know that. My question was can't they do their thing off campus? What's the purpose of doing on campus, again, other than to cause a scene. What's the benefit for them?

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Why does anyone do anything on Campus? Why does the film club use a room at the Blocker building at night to screen films instead of renting out the local Cinemark? Why do student groups meet in Rudder tower when they could rent out a ballroom at the Hilton?

Why do students want to do things in spaces at the campus they attend and pay for instead of paying for private off-campus space? It boggles the mind really.

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Well, those are more "legit" reasons you just posted. Most student groups don't parade around wearing make-up and dresses trying to draw attention to themselves. You know that.

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They aren't "parading around", they want to hold an optional event that people can willingly choose to see. Even if they were "parading around" campus in makeup and dresses, as long as there is no indecent exposure, they are protected by the freedom of expression.

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This "event" then is what, sitting and playing cards or actually putting on a runway show? If you can't see why some people are against that, then there is nothing else to say.

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If you're against it...and try to stick with me here...you don't have to go.

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Exactly, people get offended that it's even an option. You aren't forced to go, let other people do what they want and just ignore them. Not everyone has to act the way you want them to act or the way you think they are supposed to act.

Well, at this point, I'm not sure how competent you are, so it was a valid point to be made.

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Well, at this point, I'm not sure how competent you are, so it was a valid point to be made.

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Very competent. Just like other things that start out as one way and end up another, but you know that. I can't wait to see their rendition of To Kill a Mockingbird.

We are approaching the 50th anniversary of the Gay Student Services v. Texas A&M University lawsuit. No better way to kick off the anniversary festivities than with another lawsuit!

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Someone should put on a blackface performance (the racial equivalent of a drag show instead of gender form). I'm sure FIRE would be all over defending their right to do so...

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I bet they would. You should take a gander at who they've defended in the past. Supporting the First Amendment means you protect the rights of those you vehemently disagree with. You don't have to agree with someone's viewpoint to agree they have a right to have it, regardless of how abhorrent it is.

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

A part of me gets angry with these freaks.

But then the other part remembers what Eddie Murphy taught me.

Don't want to start a fight with them and forget they are actually men. They could be kicking my ass saying "Why are you bothering me?"

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so they sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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BigRobSA said:

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so the sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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No.

They don't.

They also don't have a right to have a Tupperware party on campus. Or a paper mache' party. Or ....lots of things. Simply being a student doesn't equate to Carte Blanche.

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Just so I'm clear....

Campus allows Richard Spencer to speak and we have no issue.
It's the guys dressed as women that are the cause for alarm.

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I actually agreed with Anonymous Source

How does this work though? Where and how can A&M draw the line? Is all kinds of speech ok on campus? the ban on drag shows was oddly specific.

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Anonymous Source said:

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BigRobSA said:

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TheRealJacob said:

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so the sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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No.

They don't.

They also don't have a right to have a Tupperware party on campus. Or a paper mache' party. Or ....lots of things. Simply being a student doesn't equate to Carte Blanche.

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You're right, but this isn't a live sex show. They're likely won't be any ritual sacrifice. It is open to 18 plus and is hosted by a student org that is in good standing with the policies of the university. They're paying for the venue and the operations and security, so they are entitled to have their event on campus, whether you like it or not.

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BigRobSA said:

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TheRealJacob said:

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so the sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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No.

They don't.

They also don't have a right to have a Tupperware party on campus. Or a paper mache' party. Or ....lots of things. Simply being a student doesn't equate to Carte Blanche.

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You're right, but this isn't a live sex show. They're likely won't be any ritual sacrifice. It is open to 18 plus and is hosted by a student org that is in good standing with the policies of the university. They're paying for the venue and the operations and security, so they are entitled to have their event on campus, whether you like it or not.

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So, you agree that it's a privilege, not a right.

Glad we can agree.

I'd imagine being a student group requires acceptance of stricter policies that come with it the benefits of being able to use university resources (book rooms and sometimes money).

A&M certainly has a right to limit actions of sanctioned groups because that could destroy their donations.

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The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag).

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There is no equal protection claim in the lawsuit

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They allege a 14th Amendment violation in the complaint, but don't go into any detail about it. https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/complaint-texas-am-queer-empowerment-council-v-mahomes-et-al

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BigRobSA said:

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TheRealJacob said:

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so the sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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No.

They don't.

They also don't have a right to have a Tupperware party on campus. Or a paper mache' party. Or ....lots of things. Simply being a student doesn't equate to Carte Blanche.

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You're right, but this isn't a live sex show. They're likely won't be any ritual sacrifice. It is open to 18 plus and is hosted by a student org that is in good standing with the policies of the university. They're paying for the venue and the operations and security, so they are entitled to have their event on campus, whether you like it or not.

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So, you agree that it's a privilege, not a right.

Glad we can agree.

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So you agree that, as a student org in good standing with the university, they can, in fact, have their event on campus.

Glad we can agree.

It's a violation of free speech claimed m. Remember, 1st amendment is applied to the states through the 14th.

There is no equal protection claim

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Anonymous Source said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Anonymous Source said:

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BigRobSA said:

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TheRealJacob said:

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so the sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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No.

They don't.

They also don't have a right to have a Tupperware party on campus. Or a paper mache' party. Or ....lots of things. Simply being a student doesn't equate to Carte Blanche.

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You're right, but this isn't a live sex show. They're likely won't be any ritual sacrifice. It is open to 18 plus and is hosted by a student org that is in good standing with the policies of the university. They're paying for the venue and the operations and security, so they are entitled to have their event on campus, whether you like it or not.

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So, you agree that it's a privilege, not a right.

Glad we can agree.

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So you agree that, as a student org in good standing with the university, they can, in fact, have their event on campus.

Glad we can agree.

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If allowed, which they're not being, here.

Again, they don't have a RIGHT to the drag show...on campus. It's a privilege, if so allowed.

Not if they violate student activities rules for getting approval of an on campus activity by any approved student organziation on campus. TAMU has specific student org rules regarding on campus events and their potential to demean other impacted groups. Plenty of folks at TAMU don't think approved student orgs on campus should host an event where men should get to demean women by arguing the men are a protected class of women or a protected class with more victim bingo points than women.

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Just so I'm clear....

Campus allows Richard Spencer to speak and we have no issue.
It's the guys dressed as women that are the cause for alarm.

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I actually agreed with Anonymous Source

How does this work though? Where and how can A&M draw the line? Is all kinds of speech ok on campus? the ban on drag shows was oddly specific.

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Well, it's a designated forum, so the school can limit access to certain groups, speakers, or subjects, so long as the rules are consistent, and any time, place, and manner restrictions must be content-neutral, serve a governmental purpose, and provide ample alternatives. And if you fail one of the time, place, and manner prongs, you fail them all.

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Anonymous Source said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Anonymous Source said:

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BigRobSA said:

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TheRealJacob said:

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so the sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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No.

They don't.

They also don't have a right to have a Tupperware party on campus. Or a paper mache' party. Or ....lots of things. Simply being a student doesn't equate to Carte Blanche.

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You're right, but this isn't a live sex show. They're likely won't be any ritual sacrifice. It is open to 18 plus and is hosted by a student org that is in good standing with the policies of the university. They're paying for the venue and the operations and security, so they are entitled to have their event on campus, whether you like it or not.

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So, you agree that it's a privilege, not a right.

Glad we can agree.

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So you agree that, as a student org in good standing with the university, they can, in fact, have their event on campus.

Glad we can agree.

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Sounds like you can't wait to go.

I would still think, good standing or not, they have to seek permission to do so. Because you are a student group and in good standing, doesn't give you the right to do just anything you want. I know, my son is in a men's organization, in good standing, that need permission to do certain things.

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I'd imagine being a student group requires acceptance of stricter policies that come with it the benefits of being able to use university resources (book rooms and sometimes money).

A&M certainly has a right to limit actions of sanctioned groups because that could destroy their donations.

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"Destroying donations" could be a compelling government interest here (it isn't, but I'll play along). In order to satisfy strict scrutiny, which is what would apply here, you have to show that this was the least restrictive means of doing this. If you can't, then you can't satisfy strict scrutiny, and you lose.

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BigRobSA said:

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TheRealJacob said:

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A&M will most likely lose this case as this infringes on the freedom of expression of some students. The Equal Protection Clause will most likely be argued as the decision discriminates against one group of people in favor of another (Woman vs Drag). Especially as the Board of Regents used "likely to create or contribute to a hostile environment for women" as their reasoning.

There is also a precedent in this case with Southern Utah Drag Stars v. the City of St. George being ruled on in February. The court "recognized that the protections of the First Amendment extend to drag performances".

I personally do not agree with these performances being on campus', but from a constitutional standpoint they are legally protected.

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They have a right to have drag shows.

They don't have a right to have them on campus.

Not sure how they have standing.

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They're a student organization, so the sure as hell do have a right to have them on campus.

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No.

They don't.

They also don't have a right to have a Tupperware party on campus. Or a paper mache' party. Or ....lots of things. Simply being a student doesn't equate to Carte Blanche.

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You're right, but this isn't a live sex show. They're likely won't be any ritual sacrifice. It is open to 18 plus and is hosted by a student org that is in good standing with the policies of the university. They're paying for the venue and the operations and security, so they are entitled to have their event on campus, whether you like it or not.

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So, you agree that it's a privilege, not a right.

Glad we can agree.

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So you agree that, as a student org in good standing with the university, they can, in fact, have their event on campus.

Glad we can agree.

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Sounds like you can't wait to go.

I would still think, good standing or not, they have to seek permission to do so. Because you are a student group and in good standing, doesn't give you the right to do just anything you want. I know, my son is in a men's organization, in good standing, that need permission to do certain things.

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And if they ask for permission, the school cannot withhold the permission due to disfavored speech that may or may not be on display during the show.

None except to be more hated by women. It's a mockery of women akin to blackface.

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Not if they violate student activities rules for getting approval of an on campus activity by any approved student organziation on campus. TAMU has specific student org rules regarding on campus events and their potential to demean other impacted groups. Plenty of folks at TAMU don't think approved student orgs on campus should host an event where men should get to demean women by arguing the men are a protected class of women or a protected class with more victim bingo points than women.

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This isn't the first time they've had Draggieland on campus. The university system is just doing this now because they think they have some cover under Trump's EO. They don't.