deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Charpie said:

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are we really worried about innovation happening overseas?

Name one cool ass thing besides Nintendo and Sega that were made outside of the United States

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Nope they can only copy and miniaturize what Americans have created.

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TSMC is a literal example.

And DeepSeek says Hi.

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This is outside my area of expertise. Are those superior to their US Made analogues?

AJ02 said:

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Agree. My experience with them has been in medical devices & O&G.

For medical devices, they could scrape by. It still wasn't easy to get them to use common sense for things that fell slightly outside of the normal process, but they could get by without any major catastrophes.

For O&G, they have caused many more issues. Those that work on site are okay, though they lack any sort of personality needed to build relationships/trust, and have almost no ability to do negotiations. But trying to work remote with an entire team outsourced to India is a nightmare.

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So what you are saying is that hiring foreigners is just a way to get cheap labor (while making Americans work more to fix things). The execs get rich while American employees work more for lower pay and then get laid off and then in 3 years the company goes under and the American execs make bank.

Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am for free markets too. But they have to be fair. Free markets has been interpreted in many many different ways just like religion is. The way it is used now is to hollow out American industries one by one while the execs get rich and everyday Americans lose their jobs and are homeless.

That is not free markets to me. If that it is, I don't want it.

I only look at the results. Not at some fancy name that someone may give it.

Not pulling their weight? Like who? Do you want to tax Steve the homeless guy who lives under a bridge? Or Jose the burger flipper who barely makes rent and has no money to buy school stuff for his kid?
Taxation should not be without compassion. If someone is not able to pay and a reasonable living is at stake, then he/she must not pay. Everyone else must pay. There are nuances here but this is in general.

Tom Fox said:

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Charpie said:

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are we really worried about innovation happening overseas?

Name one cool ass thing besides Nintendo and Sega that were made outside of the United States

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Nope they can only copy and miniaturize what Americans have created.

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Yes. We created an iPad here in the US and in a year someone in India created a $35 tablet. That is called "innovation".

$35 tablet computer, dubbed the Aakash, unveiled in India
https://www.csmonitor.com/Technology/Horizons/2011/1005/35-tablet-computer-dubbed-the-Aakash-unveiled-in-India

Quote:

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A $35 tablet computer?
Earlier this year, Amazon unveiled the $199 Kindle Fire tablet, which undercuts even the cheapest Apple iPad by a cool three-hundred bucks. Today, the government of India unveiled $35 tablet computer, the Aakash, which undercuts the Kindle Fire by $165, and the cheapest Apple iPad by $365.

Take that, Apple!

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Tom Fox said:

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deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Charpie said:

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are we really worried about innovation happening overseas?

Name one cool ass thing besides Nintendo and Sega that were made outside of the United States

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Nope they can only copy and miniaturize what Americans have created.

---

TSMC is a literal example.

And DeepSeek says Hi.

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This is outside my area of expertise. Are those superior to their US Made analogues?

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I was half kidding since TSMC literally manufactures other folks chipd (copy and miniaturize) I though that was very clever if I might say so myself </pats back>

DeepSeek is "innovative" , but who knows the underlying reality. China is a true "innovation" danger (unlike say Japan) , because they have a lot of people, no ethics or qualms about stealing IP, and sanction it at a state level - stolen IP is shared, so progress in high tech is extremely fast.
US companies obviously don't share their IP with each other but for China there are tremendous advantages to being able to share stolen IP if that makes sense.

Its hard for smaller companies to compete. We had IP stolen by employees, and also because during a visit the customs officials scanned our hard drives. With 2 years, a Chinese chip was on the market that was clearly ours. (This was almost a decade and a half ago, we learnt our lesson) always travel with empty hardrives

infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am for free markets too. But they have to be fair. Free markets has been interpreted in many many different ways just like religion is. The way it is used now is to hollow out American industries one by one while the execs get rich and everyday Americans lose their jobs and are homeless.

That is not free markets to me. If that it is, I don't want it.

I only look at the results. Not at some fancy name that someone may give it.

Not pulling their weight? Like who? Do you want to tax Steve the homeless guy who lives under a bridge? Or Jose the burger flipper who barely makes rent and has no money to buy school stuff for his kid?
Taxation should not be without compassion. If someone is not able to pay and a reasonable living is at stake, then he/she must not pay. Everyone else must pay. There are nuances here but this is in general.

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I want the founders view of free market. Late 1800s to early 1900s laissez faire capitalism.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I am cool with severely restricting H1Bs but companies should be free to outsource whatever they want overseas.

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OK. But I think there needs to be a caveat. If you consider your business to be an "American" business, then have 'x'% of workers in the US. Else move your business overseas.

I am sure no one will move their business anywhere. US is the best country for tech businesses.

What 'x' is, I don't know yet. Something reasonable. You cannot offshore everything but still use the US as HQ and get benefits that accrue from it without giving anything back.
I think 75% seems okay to me. You can offshore 25%.

If America does not get anything from a business, they should GTFO.

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Well tell is what X is. Because details matter.
What's reasonable? Who gets to decide?
The ****ing government gets to decide how much a corporation can outsource? Based on what?
Exactly what does a bureaucrat know about running a high tech corporation?

Last corporation I worked for made 80% of their revenue outside the US. They are US based because they are very high tech and get significant talent here. Some of the talent is H1s and they also moved a development center overseas.

What would you suggest? What percentage should they be allowed to send overseas? Or would you shut them down too?
We paid 70 million in taxes last year.
What's your solution?

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I said it, please read. 75% seems good to me.
Trump gets to decide. He is the President. If that is too low, he should jack it up. Just like he is adjusting tariffs.

My point is simple. A business in the US needs to contribute to the US. If they cannot or do not want to, they need to GTFO.

Taxes? ha ha you know where your 70Mil in taxes went to right? To do sex change ops in Guatemala. And for gender studies in Pakistan.

They need to contribute by hiring here. Simple as that.

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What that money went toward, is a different issue.

My last company contributed 75 million dollars in taxes, and employed 3000 people.
1500 of them were in India.

But you want to tax them even more or GTFO because they didn't meet whatever vague criteria you've decided as "helping the country" ?

How much did you contribute?
I also guarantee that corporation and even their CEO paid more in taxes and "contributed" more that you ever will in your lifetime.


And where does your "75% seems good" number come from? What did you base it on?

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You want me to post my tax returns here? Sorry, not doing that.
This has nothing to do with you or me at a personal level. This is at a national level what the executive must do for us to survive and thrive.

So stop thinking you can drive me away by attempting to shame me. I have seen far too much. I pay whatever the IRS says I must pay. Everyone must do that. That is not the issue though.

You seem to have an issue with 75%. Okay, how about 100%. I want ALL jobs of a US corp to be in the US. Good for you now?

deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Charpie said:

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are we really worried about innovation happening overseas?

Name one cool ass thing besides Nintendo and Sega that were made outside of the United States

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Nope they can only copy and miniaturize what Americans have created.

---

TSMC is a literal example.

And DeepSeek says Hi.

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This is outside my area of expertise. Are those superior to their US Made analogues?

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I was half kidding since TSMC literally manufactures other folks chip (copy and miniaturize) I though that was very clever if I might say so myself </pats back>

DeepSeek is "innovative" , but who knows the underlying reality. China is a true "innovation" danger (unlike say Japan) , because they have a lot of people, no ethics or qualms about stealing IP, and sanction it at a state level - stolen IP is shared, so progress in high tech is extremely fast.
US companies obviously don't share their IP with each other but for China there are tremendous advantages to being able to share stolen IP if that makes sense.

Its hard for smaller companies to compete. We had IP stolen by employees, and also because during a visit (

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That sounds interesting but I'll take you at your word since I am not at all familiar. I am just judging by the past 80 years in technology and innovation.

In my line of work, the best predictor of the future, is past pattern and practice.

deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Charpie said:

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are we really worried about innovation happening overseas?

Name one cool ass thing besides Nintendo and Sega that were made outside of the United States

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Nope they can only copy and miniaturize what Americans have created.

---

TSMC is a literal example.

And DeepSeek says Hi.

You don't have to be innovative. The Japanese weren't really innovative about their cars, and yet they "beat" the Big three.

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Sorry man, you must be really naive to believe the Chinese on DeepSeek. Take everything they say with truckloads of salt. Beating the US is a pride issue for them. Lying is acceptable to get there.

Opening up the market to Jap cars with no barriers is what caused Detroit to be ruined. If you think that was okay, not much we have to discuss here. That was a bad decision back then. They should have opened it gradually so the Big 3 had a chance to adjust.

Don't post your tax return! But I am curious why you picked 75%. Is that based on your experience in your industry?

In mine, the advantage is to be 100% American. There is basically no deviation due to market forces.

Edit: many of your arguments are starting to grow on me.

Tom Fox said:

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infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am for free markets too. But they have to be fair. Free markets has been interpreted in many many different ways just like religion is. The way it is used now is to hollow out American industries one by one while the execs get rich and everyday Americans lose their jobs and are homeless.

That is not free markets to me. If that it is, I don't want it.

I only look at the results. Not at some fancy name that someone may give it.

Not pulling their weight? Like who? Do you want to tax Steve the homeless guy who lives under a bridge? Or Jose the burger flipper who barely makes rent and has no money to buy school stuff for his kid?
Taxation should not be without compassion. If someone is not able to pay and a reasonable living is at stake, then he/she must not pay. Everyone else must pay. There are nuances here but this is in general.

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I want the founders view of free market. Late 1800s to early 1900s laissez faire capitalism.

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I am for free market capitalism if both parties follow all the rules AND if we benefit from it. I am okay if the other party benefits, I welcome it.
However, if we lose or turn into a 3rd world sheethole, I am not okay with it. That is where we are heading now.

infinity ag said:

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AJ02 said:

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Agree. My experience with them has been in medical devices & O&G.

For medical devices, they could scrape by. It still wasn't easy to get them to use common sense for things that fell slightly outside of the normal process, but they could get by without any major catastrophes.

For O&G, they have caused many more issues. Those that work on site are okay, though they lack any sort of personality needed to build relationships/trust, and have almost no ability to do negotiations. But trying to work remote with an entire team outsourced to India is a nightmare.

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So what you are saying is that hiring foreigners is just a way to get cheap labor (while making Americans work more to fix things). The execs get rich while American employees work more for lower pay and then get laid off and then in 3 years the company goes under and the American execs make bank.

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The company I work for is over 100 years old so I'm not really worried about it going under. Part of a merger, maybe. But not closing its doors. And layoffs are always a very real thing in O&G that you have to fear pretty much once/year. It's something you should know going into accepting the job, and if you're not willing to accept that risk then O&G probably isn't for you. The money they pay makes the risk worth it for me.

infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am for free markets too. But they have to be fair. Free markets has been interpreted in many many different ways just like religion is. The way it is used now is to hollow out American industries one by one while the execs get rich and everyday Americans lose their jobs and are homeless.

That is not free markets to me. If that it is, I don't want it.

I only look at the results. Not at some fancy name that someone may give it.

Not pulling their weight? Like who? Do you want to tax Steve the homeless guy who lives under a bridge? Or Jose the burger flipper who barely makes rent and has no money to buy school stuff for his kid?
Taxation should not be without compassion. If someone is not able to pay and a reasonable living is at stake, then he/she must not pay. Everyone else must pay. There are nuances here but this is in general.

---

I want the founders view of free market. Late 1800s to early 1900s laissez faire capitalism.

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I am for free market capitalism if both parties follow all the rules AND if we benefit from it. I am okay if the other party benefits, I welcome it.
However, if we lose or turn into a 3rd world sheethole, I am not okay with it. That is where we are heading now.

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I am not necessarily opposed to a little intervention like antitrust, but it should be minimal.

infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Charpie said:

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are we really worried about innovation happening overseas?

Name one cool ass thing besides Nintendo and Sega that were made outside of the United States

---

Nope they can only copy and miniaturize what Americans have created.

---

TSMC is a literal example.

And DeepSeek says Hi.

You don't have to be innovative. The Japanese weren't really innovative about their cars, and yet they "beat" the Big three.

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Sorry man, you must be really naive to believe the Chinese on DeepSeek. Take everything they say with truckloads of salt. Beating the US is a pride issue for them. Lying is acceptable to get there.

Opening up the market to Jap cars with no barriers is what caused Detroit to be ruined. If you think that was okay, not much we have to discuss here. That was a bad decision back then. They should have opened it gradually so the Big 3 had a chance to adjust.

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Opening detroit is not what caused it to be ruined.
Poor quality products is what did it. They were protected, and lost their edge.

Exactly what you are suggesting now.

"Japanese" cars are still more reliable than most American cars. They didn't have to be innovative (in fact they rarely are). They just learnt to do it better. China is the same way. except they have no ethics or qualms, see earlier post, which is what makes them dangerous.

infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I am cool with severely restricting H1Bs but companies should be free to outsource whatever they want overseas.

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OK. But I think there needs to be a caveat. If you consider your business to be an "American" business, then have 'x'% of workers in the US. Else move your business overseas.

I am sure no one will move their business anywhere. US is the best country for tech businesses.

What 'x' is, I don't know yet. Something reasonable. You cannot offshore everything but still use the US as HQ and get benefits that accrue from it without giving anything back.
I think 75% seems okay to me. You can offshore 25%.

If America does not get anything from a business, they should GTFO.

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Well tell is what X is. Because details matter.
What's reasonable? Who gets to decide?
The ****ing government gets to decide how much a corporation can outsource? Based on what?
Exactly what does a bureaucrat know about running a high tech corporation?

Last corporation I worked for made 80% of their revenue outside the US. They are US based because they are very high tech and get significant talent here. Some of the talent is H1s and they also moved a development center overseas.

What would you suggest? What percentage should they be allowed to send overseas? Or would you shut them down too?
We paid 70 million in taxes last year.
What's your solution?

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I said it, please read. 75% seems good to me.
Trump gets to decide. He is the President. If that is too low, he should jack it up. Just like he is adjusting tariffs.

My point is simple. A business in the US needs to contribute to the US. If they cannot or do not want to, they need to GTFO.

Taxes? ha ha you know where your 70Mil in taxes went to right? To do sex change ops in Guatemala. And for gender studies in Pakistan.

They need to contribute by hiring here. Simple as that.

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What that money went toward, is a different issue.

My last company contributed 75 million dollars in taxes, and employed 3000 people.
1500 of them were in India.

But you want to tax them even more or GTFO because they didn't meet whatever vague criteria you've decided as "helping the country" ?

How much did you contribute?
I also guarantee that corporation and even their CEO paid more in taxes and "contributed" more that you ever will in your lifetime.


And where does your "75% seems good" number come from? What did you base it on?

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You want me to post my tax returns here? Sorry, not doing that.
This has nothing to do with you or me at a personal level. This is at a national level what the executive must do for us to survive and thrive.

So stop thinking you can drive me away by attempting to shame me. I have seen far too much. I pay whatever the IRS says I must pay. Everyone must do that. That is not the issue though.

You seem to have an issue with 75%. Okay, how about 100%. I want ALL jobs of a US corp to be in the US. Good for you now?

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You might want all jobs to be in the US. The reality is that forcing this punitively will make many American companies uncompetitive. Look at what protectionism has done to Europe. They are a non-entity.
America has thrived on being innovative and competitive. That's what's made us exceptional.

Fear and protectionism is the wrong way out. What you need is policy that gives companies incentives to have more jobs in the US. Not punitive taxation and regulations by bureaucrats.

Tom Fox said:

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infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

---

I am for free markets too. But they have to be fair. Free markets has been interpreted in many many different ways just like religion is. The way it is used now is to hollow out American industries one by one while the execs get rich and everyday Americans lose their jobs and are homeless.

That is not free markets to me. If that it is, I don't want it.

I only look at the results. Not at some fancy name that someone may give it.

Not pulling their weight? Like who? Do you want to tax Steve the homeless guy who lives under a bridge? Or Jose the burger flipper who barely makes rent and has no money to buy school stuff for his kid?
Taxation should not be without compassion. If someone is not able to pay and a reasonable living is at stake, then he/she must not pay. Everyone else must pay. There are nuances here but this is in general.

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I want the founders view of free market. Late 1800s to early 1900s laissez faire capitalism.

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Yeah that time period right before the 1920s-1930s is exactly what I want to emulate...

Society needs a middle class to be healthy.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I am cool with severely restricting H1Bs but companies should be free to outsource whatever they want overseas.

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OK. But I think there needs to be a caveat. If you consider your business to be an "American" business, then have 'x'% of workers in the US. Else move your business overseas.

I am sure no one will move their business anywhere. US is the best country for tech businesses.

What 'x' is, I don't know yet. Something reasonable. You cannot offshore everything but still use the US as HQ and get benefits that accrue from it without giving anything back.
I think 75% seems okay to me. You can offshore 25%.

If America does not get anything from a business, they should GTFO.

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Well tell is what X is. Because details matter.
What's reasonable? Who gets to decide?
The ****ing government gets to decide how much a corporation can outsource? Based on what?
Exactly what does a bureaucrat know about running a high tech corporation?

Last corporation I worked for made 80% of their revenue outside the US. They are US based because they are very high tech and get significant talent here. Some of the talent is H1s and they also moved a development center overseas.

What would you suggest? What percentage should they be allowed to send overseas? Or would you shut them down too?
We paid 70 million in taxes last year.
What's your solution?

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I said it, please read. 75% seems good to me.
Trump gets to decide. He is the President. If that is too low, he should jack it up. Just like he is adjusting tariffs.

My point is simple. A business in the US needs to contribute to the US. If they cannot or do not want to, they need to GTFO.

Taxes? ha ha you know where your 70Mil in taxes went to right? To do sex change ops in Guatemala. And for gender studies in Pakistan.

They need to contribute by hiring here. Simple as that.

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What that money went toward, is a different issue.

My last company contributed 75 million dollars in taxes, and employed 3000 people.
1500 of them were in India.

But you want to tax them even more or GTFO because they didn't meet whatever vague criteria you've decided as "helping the country" ?

How much did you contribute?
I also guarantee that corporation and even their CEO paid more in taxes and "contributed" more that you ever will in your lifetime.


And where does your "75% seems good" number come from? What did you base it on?

---

You want me to post my tax returns here? Sorry, not doing that.
This has nothing to do with you or me at a personal level. This is at a national level what the executive must do for us to survive and thrive.

So stop thinking you can drive me away by attempting to shame me. I have seen far too much. I pay whatever the IRS says I must pay. Everyone must do that. That is not the issue though.

You seem to have an issue with 75%. Okay, how about 100%. I want ALL jobs of a US corp to be in the US. Good for you now?

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You might want all jobs to be in the US. The reality is that forcing this punitively will make many American companies uncompetitive. Look at what protectionism has done to Europe. They are a non-entity.
America has thrived on being innovative and competitive. That's what's made us exceptional.

Fear and protectionism is the wrong way out. What you need is policy that gives companies incentives to have more jobs in the US. Not punitive taxation and regulations by bureaucrats.

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This sounds like the correct answer.

Well you're not going to get it. The 20% is going to continue to pull away from the bottom 80%

To quote Tropic Thunder, they are a white dwarf headed for oblivion. It's physics.

Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am a nationalist, I do not care about foreigners. I will put American citizens before foreigners 100% of the time and before corporations 100% of the time. They should never be allowed to outsource, end of story.

Tom Fox said:

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Well you're not going to get it. The 20% is going to continue to pull away from the bottom 80%

To quote Tropic Thunder, they are a white dwarf headed for oblivion. It's physics.

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This isn't based on data. Pre outsourcing the middle class in America was thriving. As we outsource more and more America will have growing societal problems.

This is seen in urban areas first where the rich to poor ratios are most out of whack. Those areas have.... you guessed it the worst political governance. So yeah it will be your problem if you destroy the middle class it will just be so delayed you won't realize what caused it.

Tom Fox said:

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deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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deddog said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Charpie said:

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are we really worried about innovation happening overseas?

Name one cool ass thing besides Nintendo and Sega that were made outside of the United States

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Nope they can only copy and miniaturize what Americans have created.

---

TSMC is a literal example.

And DeepSeek says Hi.

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This is outside my area of expertise. Are those superior to their US Made analogues?

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I was half kidding since TSMC literally manufactures other folks chip (copy and miniaturize) I though that was very clever if I might say so myself </pats back>

DeepSeek is "innovative" , but who knows the underlying reality. China is a true "innovation" danger (unlike say Japan) , because they have a lot of people, no ethics or qualms about stealing IP, and sanction it at a state level - stolen IP is shared, so progress in high tech is extremely fast.
US companies obviously don't share their IP with each other but for China there are tremendous advantages to being able to share stolen IP if that makes sense.

Its hard for smaller companies to compete. We had IP stolen by employees, and also because during a visit (

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That sounds interesting but I'll take you at your word since I am not at all familiar. I am just judging by the past 80 years in technology and innovation.

In my line of work, the best predictor of the future, is past pattern and practice.

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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/10/bloomberg-super-micro-motherboards-used-by-apple-amazon-contained-chinese-spy-chips/

Its a fascinating read.
Not as impressive as stuxnet, but more impressive than what the Israelis did to Hamas pagers.

Nanomachines son said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am a nationalist, I do not care about foreigners. I will put American citizens before foreigners 100% of the time and before corporations 100% of the time. They should never be allowed to outsource, end of story.

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For the record I am not this extreme.

Nanomachines son said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am a nationalist, I do not care about foreigners. I will put American citizens before foreigners 100% of the time and before corporations, unless owned by Americans 100% of the time. They should never be allowed to outsource, end of story.

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FIFY. With that caveat, we are in complete agreement.

It is funny you thought I was boomer. I doubt there are many that are more pro American than me. After 9/11, I left my conus civilian gig and spent plenty of time in the GWOT. But Americans own businesses too. You want to target foreign businesses and utilize protectionism, be my guest.

Pookers said:

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H1B visas are trash and so are the paper Americans who support them.

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. Elon said he will go to war over H1B. It's going nowhere.

revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

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Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

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Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

bmks270 said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing

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Got a bombshell tip from a sharp insider!

Ganesh Jayaram, the new Chief Information Officer (CIO) at American Airlines, wasted no time gutting the tech workforce. First order of business?

Shipping all tech jobs straight to Hyderabad, India. But it… pic.twitter.com/VgLIv86ifY

— Kumar Exclusive (@KumarExclusive) March 4, 2025

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No surprise, Indian outsourcing jobs to his home country, India.

Indian tech execs have a reputation for large pro-India bias in hiring and staffing.

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. This and they grow up with the caste system and treat their employees as such.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

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Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

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Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

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In the US? How many Albanians are there in the US?

AggieHammer2000 said:

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bmks270 said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing

🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸

Got a bombshell tip from a sharp insider!

Ganesh Jayaram, the new Chief Information Officer (CIO) at American Airlines, wasted no time gutting the tech workforce. First order of business?

Shipping all tech jobs straight to Hyderabad, India. But it… pic.twitter.com/VgLIv86ifY

— Kumar Exclusive (@KumarExclusive) March 4, 2025

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No surprise, Indian outsourcing jobs to his home country, India.

Indian tech execs have a reputation for large pro-India bias in hiring and staffing.

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. This and they grow up with the caste system and treat their employees as such.

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Don't forget treating women badly too.

I deal with major amounts of misogyny in a routine basis.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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Pookers said:

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H1B visas are trash and so are the paper Americans who support them.

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. Elon said he will go to war over H1B. It's going nowhere.

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Elon at SpaceX can make the best case for H1B.
99% of American corporations cannot. H1s are here to suppress wages.

Again, H1s are miniscule compared to the amount of jobs being outsourced.
That's what we need to tackle.

HollywoodBQ said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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bmks270 said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing

🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸

Got a bombshell tip from a sharp insider!

Ganesh Jayaram, the new Chief Information Officer (CIO) at American Airlines, wasted no time gutting the tech workforce. First order of business?

Shipping all tech jobs straight to Hyderabad, India. But it… pic.twitter.com/VgLIv86ifY

— Kumar Exclusive (@KumarExclusive) March 4, 2025

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No surprise, Indian outsourcing jobs to his home country, India.

Indian tech execs have a reputation for large pro-India bias in hiring and staffing.

---

. This and they grow up with the caste system and treat their employees as such.

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Don't forget treating women badly too.

I deal with major amounts of misogyny in a routine basis.

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They also overwhelmingly vote democrat.
The Republican ones are fine. Even the ones who used to vote for Obama (<cough>InfinityAg</ cough>)

texagbeliever said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Well you're not going to get it. The 20% is going to continue to pull away from the bottom 80%

To quote Tropic Thunder, they are a white dwarf headed for oblivion. It's physics.

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This isn't based on data. Pre outsourcing the middle class in America was thriving. As we outsource more and more America will have growing societal problems.

This is seen in urban areas first where the rich to poor ratios are most out of whack. Those areas have.... you guessed it the worst political governance. So yeah it will be your problem if you destroy the middle class it will just be so delayed you won't realize what caused it.

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Are we talking about Los Angeles or Mumbai?

AggieHammer2000 said:

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revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

---

Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

---

Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

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Since my last post, son had meeting that they were making changes to his group. Reducing workforce in US to a "incident management team."

deddog said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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bmks270 said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing

🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸

Got a bombshell tip from a sharp insider!

Ganesh Jayaram, the new Chief Information Officer (CIO) at American Airlines, wasted no time gutting the tech workforce. First order of business?

Shipping all tech jobs straight to Hyderabad, India. But it… pic.twitter.com/VgLIv86ifY

— Kumar Exclusive (@KumarExclusive) March 4, 2025

---

No surprise, Indian outsourcing jobs to his home country, India.

Indian tech execs have a reputation for large pro-India bias in hiring and staffing.

---

. This and they grow up with the caste system and treat their employees as such.

---

Don't forget treating women badly too.

I deal with major amounts of misogyny in a routine basis.

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They also overwhelmingly vote democrat.

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That's the part I can't figure out.

What have the Democrats ever done for Indians?

It's almost like Jews voting Democrat. Doesn't make any damn sense but, they do.

revvie said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

---

Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

---

Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

---

Since my last post, son had meeting that they were making changes to his group. Reducing workforce in US to a "incident management team."

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Oh yeah, we like to get American Escalation Managers who speak good English and can make believable promises to customers.

While on the back end, everything is an offshore s/show.

HollywoodBQ said:

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deddog said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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bmks270 said:

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gbaby23 said:

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Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing

🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸

Got a bombshell tip from a sharp insider!

Ganesh Jayaram, the new Chief Information Officer (CIO) at American Airlines, wasted no time gutting the tech workforce. First order of business?

Shipping all tech jobs straight to Hyderabad, India. But it… pic.twitter.com/VgLIv86ifY

— Kumar Exclusive (@KumarExclusive) March 4, 2025

---

No surprise, Indian outsourcing jobs to his home country, India.

Indian tech execs have a reputation for large pro-India bias in hiring and staffing.

---

. This and they grow up with the caste system and treat their employees as such.

---

Don't forget treating women badly too.

I deal with major amounts of misogyny in a routine basis.

---

They also overwhelmingly vote democrat.

---

That's the part I can't figure out.

What have the Democrats ever done for Indians?

It's almost like Jews voting Democrat. Doesn't make any damn sense but, they do.

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Its a culture of deferring to the government. They expect government to fix problems.
You know which party promises that government will fix problems?
There's your answer.