Is H1B work visa dying? Or are corporations working around it?

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".



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9:14a, 3/5/25
Here's a link to a similar "No US citizen" post.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/suneela-raj-theerdhala-6a6465163_linkedin-oracleabrepm-hyperion-activity-7289651927926161408-czpV/

Quote:
Hello hashtag#Linkedin Professionals,
We have an URGENT opening for hashtag#Oracle_EPM - hashtag#Hyperion || Dallas, TX/
hashtag#Hybrid|| Must have Exp : 10-12 Years ||

Kindly share your interest to suneela@smatinfosolutions.tech

Job profile: hashtag#Oracle EPM - hashtag#Hyperion
Location: Dallas, TX/ hashtag#Hybrid
type: W2/ C2C position
Visa Status : Only H1B, EAD, O PT, CPT

hashtag#Note : NO GC & USC



Also read the comments.

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9:15a, 3/5/25
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EEOC law says that posting is probably illegal. National origin is a protected class. That includes domestic national origin.
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H1B visas are trash and so are the paper Americans who support them.
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9:29a, 3/5/25
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AI will decimate H1B visas over the next decade. No reason to outsource customer support and programming when a LLM can do the same task.
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9:33a, 3/5/25
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What is "No GC"?
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9:38a, 3/5/25
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I know that's the route my company is going. They're opening up a tech center in India and shipping/shifting existing jobs over there.
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In reply to Madagascar • 9:38a, 3/5/25
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What is "No GC"?


"no green card", I'd assume.
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In reply to infinity ag • 9:40a, 3/5/25
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infinity ag said:
Here's a link to a similar "No US citizen" post.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/suneela-raj-theerdhala-6a6465163_linkedin-oracleabrepm-hyperion-activity-7289651927926161408-czpV/

Quote:
Hello hashtag#Linkedin Professionals,
We have an URGENT opening for hashtag#Oracle_EPM - hashtag#Hyperion || Dallas, TX/
hashtag#Hybrid|| Must have Exp : 10-12 Years ||

Kindly share your interest to suneela@smatinfosolutions.tech

Job profile: hashtag#Oracle EPM - hashtag#Hyperion
Location: Dallas, TX/ hashtag#Hybrid
type: W2/ C2C position
Visa Status : Only H1B, EAD, O PT, CPT

hashtag#Note : NO GC & USC



Also read the comments.

US citizens welcome to apply. However, much speak Hindi and be open to 75% international travel (to just one country).
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9:43a, 3/5/25
I think the next shoe to drop will be looking at how companies "contract" workers that are in india/Mexico/ etc. It seems like you put a tariff / higher corporate tax on all remote workers that don't work X number of days in the United States.
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In reply to infinity ag • 9:49a, 3/5/25
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infinity ag said:
I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".



Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.
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9:51a, 3/5/25
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Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing

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10:11a, 3/5/25
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Out of touch executive leadership is so focused on short term fiscal reports and not the long-term ramifications of the offshoring staffing strategy within IT. They all believe that they can outsource your entry and mid-level positions but keep your expert tier stateside. Great strategy, except the very pool you're grabbing your experts from is shrinking because there's no entry pipeline anymore, so you have no choice to go to H1B.
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In reply to mickeyrig06sq3 • 10:28a, 3/5/25
This.

The only fix is to tie up executive compensation the way alot of companies tie up the vesting schedule for employees who are awarded shares.

You want stock options?

Cool bro...but they have to be vested over a 7 year schedule before you can sell them. That way any time you make a decision to increase profits in the short term and sacrifice the long term you suffer the very real potential that you **** yourself over too.

Additionally, there should be clawback options built into these contracts where the bonus can be taken back if the CEO made decisions that ****ed the company over long term.

These CEO's defend things like "industry standard noncompetes" and other shady ways to force compensation down....what's good for the goose.....
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10:30a, 3/5/25
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CEO: "return to the office! No remote workers!"

Also CEO: "hiring overseas workers in mass is a great idea!"

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10:33a, 3/5/25
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Why can't they put some sort of tax or "tariff" on companies who outsource a service to other countries? Treat it like a manufactured good made in another country.
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In reply to gbaby23 • 10:33a, 3/5/25
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gbaby23 said:
Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing



No surprise, Indian outsourcing jobs to his home country, India.

Indian tech execs have a reputation for large pro-India bias in hiring and staffing.

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In reply to revvie • 10:53a, 3/5/25
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infinity ag said:
I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".



Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.


I work for a tech company with a global presence, though all of our design is US and Europe based. They will pretty much only hire PhDs for design work, though it isn't really needed. They get cheap H-1Bs with advanced degrees that require less training.

It's a cycle that builds on itself. Foreigners come to the US to get an advanced degree and eventually an H-1B position, and the company only wants to hire H-1Bs with advanced degrees.
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In reply to Pookers • 11:01a, 3/5/25
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H1B visas are trash and so are the paper Americans who support them.
Back in 2016/2017 I ended up inheriting some H1B's after an organization of about 30 people was merged in to mine. One gal was from China and had a baby (with her Chinese husband) about six month later. Not only did the kid get instant citizenship but she was able to take very generous full pay, four month leave the company offered. Thought that was kind of bullsh** but anyway. The others were Indian. When the first one's H1B was about to expire she came to me and asked me to sign off on the paperwork to renew. Having never dealt with one I told her I would review it, talk to HR, talk to legal, and advise her of her status when I could get to it. She got extremely pushy with me basically called me multiple times a day to whine about her immigration status. Her husband even called me at one point and got close to threatening. Told HR and legal I wanted to fire her they wouldn't let me. After reviewing the State Dept documents and the actual requirements I told legal there was absolutely no way I was signing off as it would be in fact fraud. The requirements are ridiculous. No employer is actually interviewing that many Americans and for a single role and also unable to find a qualified American. Complete BS.

Ultimately after my refusal to play ball they moved the H1B's out of my org and I guess over to someone that was willing to play the fraud game. Not me. Terrible program.
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1 - Since Trump took office, a lot of H-1B visa employers are freaking out about any data that might have US Citizen requirements. Some of them had been playing fast and loose with US Citizen requirements.

2 - The H-1B was primarily used as a recruiting tool to get top tier talent from India for cheap with some forced job loyalty for the duration of the visa.

In a lot of cases, companies had gone way to far and are now trying to correct course but it's really too late.
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In reply to HollywoodBQ • 11:07a, 3/5/25
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1 - Since Trump took office, a lot of H-1B visa employers are freaking out about any data that might have US Citizen requirements. Some of them had been playing fast and loose with US Citizen requirements.

2 - The H-1B was primarily used as a recruiting tool to get top tier talent from India for cheap with some forced job loyalty for the duration of the visa.

In a lot of cases, companies had gone way to far and are now trying to correct course but it's really too late.


LOL that is a super funny way of saying "work for peanuts or get deported"

Because how this works is very similar to human trafficking alot of times.
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The H1B's I dealt with were compensated about the same as their American counterparts. This was also the era where they started suing their employers for unequal pay for equal work.
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Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.
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In reply to Madagascar • 11:22a, 3/5/25
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What is "No GC"?

Means "no Green Card".

So they only want H1B visa holders. If you are a "USC" (US citizen) or a GC (Green card holder), you are out of luck.
This is for a job in DALLAS, TX, USA.

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In reply to revvie • 11:26a, 3/5/25
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infinity ag said:
I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".



Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

Shocking but not surprising.
The CEO needs to be paid his $20M bonus (because "great talent has to be paid appropriately, you see"). So he looks for ways to cut costs and the easiest way to skirt around H1B process is to offshore US jobs to India and other places.

Will Musk/Trump look at this fraud and do something? I wonder.

As a US citizen, my question is why should the country host a corporation that is only taking from the country but not giving back in any way? If that want to keep doing that, they should to GTFO to Bangalore or Manila and become an Indian company. How are we (USA) benefiting? We are "America First", aren't we?
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In reply to bmks270 • 11:27a, 3/5/25
bmks270 said:
CEO: "return to the office! No remote workers!"

Also CEO: "hiring overseas workers in mass is a great idea!"


You got it.

One of the reasons I hate this slimy group of people that many revere - the US Corporate CEO.

Pure evil, selfishness and greed.
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Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.
What's the average IQ of India again?
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AJ02 said:
Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.

Indians come in all types. The genius types and the r@tarded dolts. The genius types in many cases (not all) go to IITs which are among the hardest in the world to get into. They are the ones starting companies in California. Or running them - like Pichai at Google. Not all are from IIT, example Nadella at Microsoft.

Then we have the bodyshopped tiers, who somehow manage to get paid to breathe. Dumb as rocks. With bad attitudes. I am not joking. They just come and sit in front of you, you have to teach them everything, they sit at their cubes reading Indian newspapers with movie gossip and complain if asked to be more proactive. They don't care a lot about the work as they are there at the client for 3 months, and then are shipped to another location. With a promotion. While the US employees have to clean up the mess. This is the reality. The US CEO and the VPs benefit from the cost savings and US employees pay the price as their work doubles.
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In reply to infinity ag • 11:35a, 3/5/25
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Shocking but not surprising.
The CEO needs to be paid his $20M bonus (because "great talent has to be paid appropriately, you see"). So he looks for ways to cut costs and the easiest way to skirt around H1B process is to offshore US jobs to India and other places.

Will Musk/Trump look at this fraud and do something? I wonder.

As a US citizen, my question is why should the country host a corporation that is only taking from the country but not giving back in any way? If that want to keep doing that, they should to GTFO to Bangalore or Manila and become an Indian company. How are we (USA) benefiting? We are "America First", aren't we?

A lot of Boomercons seem to hold more allegiance to the economy than their nation. They prefer us being an economic free zone as their stock prices always go up, they can get cheap **** at walmart, and pedro can mow their grass. They will all be dead of old age before a repeat of history occurs so why would they care?
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In reply to Pookers • 11:35a, 3/5/25
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AJ02 said:
Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.
What's the average IQ of India again?

Pookers, that is a strawman. No one can accurately judge what an average IQ of a country is. I know many in the US who are downright dumb too. Let's not assuage ourselves with this fake metric.
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In reply to infinity ag • 11:36a, 3/5/25
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infinity ag said:
Pookers said:
AJ02 said:
Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.
What's the average IQ of India again?

Pookers, that is a strawman. No one can accurately judge what an average IQ of a country is. I know many in the US who are downright dumb too. Let's not assuage ourselves with this fake metric.

The answer is 76. They clearly need their "smart" countrymen to stay home and build things rather than spend time taking American jobs.
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infinity ag said:



Shocking but not surprising.
The CEO needs to be paid his $20M bonus (because "great talent has to be paid appropriately, you see"). So he looks for ways to cut costs and the easiest way to skirt around H1B process is to offshore US jobs to India and other places.

Will Musk/Trump look at this fraud and do something? I wonder.

As a US citizen, my question is why should the country host a corporation that is only taking from the country but not giving back in any way? If that want to keep doing that, they should to GTFO to Bangalore or Manila and become an Indian company. How are we (USA) benefiting? We are "America First", aren't we?

A lot of Boomercons seem to hold more allegiance to the economy than their nation. They prefer us being an economic free zone as their stock prices always go up, they can get cheap **** at walmart, and pedro can mow their grass. They will all be dead of old age before a repeat of history occurs so why would they care?


100% right Sir.
That is what I noticed from discussions on this topic on TA.

You last statement hits the mark.
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In reply to Pookers • 11:37a, 3/5/25
Pookers said:
infinity ag said:
Pookers said:
AJ02 said:
Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.
What's the average IQ of India again?

Pookers, that is a strawman. No one can accurately judge what an average IQ of a country is. I know many in the US who are downright dumb too. Let's not assuage ourselves with this fake metric.

The answer is 76.

OT, but who arrived at it? And how? All they did is sample a few people out out 1.4 BILLION people and average it and come up with a number. Bah.
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In reply to infinity ag • 11:38a, 3/5/25
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infinity ag said:
Pookers said:
infinity ag said:
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AJ02 said:
Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.
What's the average IQ of India again?

Pookers, that is a strawman. No one can accurately judge what an average IQ of a country is. I know many in the US who are downright dumb too. Let's not assuage ourselves with this fake metric.

The answer is 76.

OT, but who arrived at it? And how? All they did is sample a few people out out 1.4 BILLION people and average it and come up with a number. Bah.
Dude, they literally **** in the streets.
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In reply to Pookers • 11:41a, 3/5/25
Pookers said:
infinity ag said:
Pookers said:
infinity ag said:
Pookers said:
AJ02 said:
Most of the outsourcing I deal with always seems to go to India. And don't get me wrong, in general I consider Indians very intelligent people.

But they are book smart. They don't seem to have the "common sense" and ability to think outside the box on issues. They follow a set list of rules, and if something falls outside of that, it's like their brain short circuits and they kick it out. It's REALLY frustrating to deal with some of the boneheaded things they do that I have to go back and fix.

And don't get me started on relying on them for tech support with the time difference. I can submit a tech ticket at work, and at 3 am my cell phone is buzzing asking if they can remote in to my laptop to work on my issue. Then when I log on in the morning, they're offline. Repeat again the next night.

Then after 3 days of this, I get an email saying my ticket was closed due to failure to respond.
What's the average IQ of India again?

Pookers, that is a strawman. No one can accurately judge what an average IQ of a country is. I know many in the US who are downright dumb too. Let's not assuage ourselves with this fake metric.

The answer is 76.

OT, but who arrived at it? And how? All they did is sample a few people out out 1.4 BILLION people and average it and come up with a number. Bah.
Dude, they literally **** in the streets.

Again, OT and irrelevant.
I have worked with many Indians and none of them do this. Let's focus on the scam happening in the US affecting all of us. People's bathroom habits have nothing to do with us.
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