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fc2112 said:

nothing that was defunded created value added.
The National Park Service has been subjected to massive layoffs and program cuts. The NPS is not funded with tax dollars - it is funded by user fees paid by visitors to national parks. In fact, since the first major revamp of how NPS is funded back in 1987, the user fee revenue has significantly exceeded the NPS operating budget and the excess user fee revenue is put into the general fund to pay for other government programs that would otherwise be funded by tax revenue.

Being a net revenue generating operation adds value.
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Build It said:

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We are way too early in the game to be spiking the football. While cutting gov spending and jobs it probably the prudent option, it will likely have short term impacts to GDP and employment. Withdrawal symptoms are a thing.
Brother is a professor at a top 5 medical school. They receive tons of federal research funding. He and many of his cohorts not sure they have a job after this semester.

Sure hoping we don't shut down medical schools.
Wow, I'd hate to be in that position.

Doctors who are professors and might lose their jobs; Whatever will they do?

How is a medical school going out of business and yet doctors are going into great debt to get their MD degrees, because the student loan lenders feel it's a good investment?
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There will be some burbles in the economy. I'll be more impressed when mid level and upper management start getting fired.


And until we implement zero based budgeting, govt spending is going to be more wasteful than not.

Save a million in employee pay and benefits, but continue to spend 10 million dollars on 3 million dollars worth of purchasing, isn't fixing the problem. Especially when that number increases every year.
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The majority of the federal government does nothing but make your life more difficult and works directly against the American people.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Getting rid of waste is going to negatively affect the people benefiting from the waste, and people who deal with all the poorly run agencies. That doesn't mean everyone won't end up better off once the shift has occurred.


I guess that's a warm comfort to the recently unemployed and my friends mother who will be blind soon. Not trying to argue, just saying that this will bring suffering and gloating about it isn't necessarily a cool thing. My brother is a Former Student, former Ross Volunteer, Corps CO, and Naval Officer veteran. Not sure he deserves to suffer.
Why don't you help them out? Why should we?

Charity begins at home.
I wanna hear about this "program" for those injections. Is it insurance... or a welfare program?
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Hate him? Not remotely.

Narrative? I'm not in love with any politician or party enough to support them blindly on an issue without engaging in critical thinking. Which allows me to praise someone one day on an issue, and criticize him on another issue the next day. You might want to give it a shot yourself!!!

And if we're engaging in a tad of critical thinking…………it wasn't my opinion……..it was the opinions of Fisher and Fidelity Investments. Who I'm quite sure, before releasing statements like that, talk with employees, private equity firms, banks, and their own experts. But hey……….trust random guys on a forum over the investment experts! In fact…….please…….ignore the investment firms and use the experts on here to invest your money. Sure it will work out great for you.
Are those investment firms, you have total confidence in, partly or completely infected with DEI? A person can never know for sure these days, exactly who is providing that unbiased investment recommendation. If you are a critical thinker, you might want to give attention to you cynicism level. I have come to believe, very little we perceive in our daily lives, has any relationship to reality.
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Not sure what the cartoonist means by functioning better. The value of twitter is only 20% of what it was when he bought it.
The product is actually better though. It runs better and it has more features that are relevant. Musk intentionally overpaid for Twitter because he understood the value was far greater than the profitability and that has certainly proved to be the case. I also think the long game is huge for X as advertisers are continuing to come back and the MSM continues to die. It's also really part of a much bigger picture for Elon and all of his companies and investments, the goal in purchasing Twitter wasn't for it to be his big money maker compared to his other companies, it was to help his overall portfolio grow.
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aggiedent said:

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Not sure what the cartoonist means by functioning better. The value of twitter is only 20% of what it was when he bought it.
The product is actually better though. It runs better and it has more features that are relevant. Musk intentionally overpaid for Twitter because he understood the value was far greater than the profitability and that has certainly proved to be the case. I also think the long game is huge for X as advertisers are continuing to come back and the MSM continues to die. It's also really part of a much bigger picture for Elon and all of his companies and investments, the goal in purchasing Twitter wasn't for it to be his big money maker compared to his other companies, it was to help his overall portfolio grow.


Great point.

If anything, buying Twitter got Elon right where anyone in his position would like to be, in the ear of the president who can help him get all the government contracts he wants.

Sheer genius if you ask me.
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From the MSN page, I have noticed numerous articles about angry constituents and protesters giving their congressmembers an earful over Trump-Musk spending cuts.

After an initially tepid response to President Donald Trump's return to the presidency, a series of drastic and possibly unconstitutional cuts to the federal workforce has incited anger among people who fear that they and their communities will suffer from those policies. While a handful of protests outside federal agencies targeted by Elon Musk's DOGE has drawn the most media attention, viral clips of rowdy crowds at lawmakers' town hall meetings have since spread across the internet.

Many of the anti-Trump protests have been organized by progressive groups like Indivisible and MoveOn, who have seen a surge in membership and fundraising. While Republicans contend that the backlash is the creation of liberal activists rather than an organic uprising of Americans in general, videos also show unmistakable anger from constituents in deep-red congressional districts as well.

In one town hall in the district of Rep. Rich McCormick, R-Ga., an attendee, citing cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, demanded: "Why is the supposedly conservative party taking such a radical and extremist and sloppy approach to this?"

McCormick tried to assuage his questioner by saying that overspending would result in shortfalls to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, prompting the attendee to retort that the administration was taking a "chainsaw approach" that was "rushed" and done "sloppily." As the town hall continued, McCormick was interrupted several times by constituents saying, "we're pissed," and "don't bend over," as well as chants of "shame!"

Spooked by public outrage, GOP aides urge lawmakers to reconsider future town halls

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Ryan the Temp said:

fc2112 said:

nothing that was defunded created value added.
The National Park Service has been subjected to massive layoffs and program cuts. The NPS is not funded with tax dollars - it is funded by user fees paid by visitors to national parks. In fact, since the first major revamp of how NPS is funded back in 1987, the user fee revenue has significantly exceeded the NPS operating budget and the excess user fee revenue is put into the general fund to pay for other government programs that would otherwise be funded by tax revenue.

Being a net revenue generating operation adds value.
Is this true? I love the NPS, but when I look at the FY25 budget, it shows that it's estimating a grand total of $665 million of receipts collected by the NPS ($365 million of which were recreational fees), with $3.1 billion of operations expenses. The FY25 discretionary budget request for the NPS is $3.58 billion.

https://www.doi.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2024-03/fy2025-508-nps-greenbook_2.pdf
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Can't those effected learn to code?
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Iraq2xVeteran said:

From the MSN page, I have noticed numerous articles about angry constituents and protesters giving their congressmembers an earful over Trump-Musk spending cuts.

After an initially tepid response to President Donald Trump's return to the presidency, a series of drastic and possibly unconstitutional cuts to the federal workforce has incited anger among people who fear that they and their communities will suffer from those policies. While a handful of protests outside federal agencies targeted by Elon Musk's DOGE has drawn the most media attention, viral clips of rowdy crowds at lawmakers' town hall meetings have since spread across the internet.

Many of the anti-Trump protests have been organized by progressive groups like Indivisible and MoveOn, who have seen a surge in membership and fundraising. While Republicans contend that the backlash is the creation of liberal activists rather than an organic uprising of Americans in general, videos also show unmistakable anger from constituents in deep-red congressional districts as well.

In one town hall in the district of Rep. Rich McCormick, R-Ga., an attendee, citing cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, demanded: "Why is the supposedly conservative party taking such a radical and extremist and sloppy approach to this?"

McCormick tried to assuage his questioner by saying that overspending would result in shortfalls to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, prompting the attendee to retort that the administration was taking a "chainsaw approach" that was "rushed" and done "sloppily." As the town hall continued, McCormick was interrupted several times by constituents saying, "we're pissed," and "don't bend over," as well as chants of "shame!"

Spooked by public outrage, GOP aides urge lawmakers to reconsider future town halls


The townhalls were quickly shown to be a ruse by the left who funded, hired actors and staged those townhalls.

Usual suspects in Soros, MoveOn.org, WFP.

Outside of faux outrages, singing at the Capitol, and the odd stories about medical school funding cuts and blind mothers, the vast majority of Americans support DOGE. Some polls have support at 75% plus.

Sit back and let DOGE do its thing. We will all be better for it.
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InfantryAg said:

Build It said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

We are way too early in the game to be spiking the football. While cutting gov spending and jobs it probably the prudent option, it will likely have short term impacts to GDP and employment. Withdrawal symptoms are a thing.
Brother is a professor at a top 5 medical school. They receive tons of federal research funding. He and many of his cohorts not sure they have a job after this semester.

Sure hoping we don't shut down medical schools.
Wow, I'd hate to be in that position.

Doctors who are professors and might lose their jobs; Whatever will they do?

How is a medical school going out of business and yet doctors are going into great debt to get their MD degrees, because the student loan lenders feel it's a good investment?


Well at least we seem to have a good pipeline of foreign doctors coming here. Not sure what we needed is to reduce the amount of Docs and import all our health care professionals.
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Build It said:

InfantryAg said:

Build It said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

We are way too early in the game to be spiking the football. While cutting gov spending and jobs it probably the prudent option, it will likely have short term impacts to GDP and employment. Withdrawal symptoms are a thing.
Brother is a professor at a top 5 medical school. They receive tons of federal research funding. He and many of his cohorts not sure they have a job after this semester.

Sure hoping we don't shut down medical schools.
Wow, I'd hate to be in that position.

Doctors who are professors and might lose their jobs; Whatever will they do?

How is a medical school going out of business and yet doctors are going into great debt to get their MD degrees, because the student loan lenders feel it's a good investment?


Well at least we seem to have a good pipeline of foreign doctors coming here. Not sure what we needed is to reduce the amount of Docs and import all our health care professionals.



This messaging is always weird. The model was broken but your brother was receiving massive amounts of taxpayer dollars that my children are going to pay for, so nbd, right?

If you're just now waking up to the system, realize that you were co-opted a long time ago but you lied to yourself about what it cost and who it benefited. No one wants to destroy med schools but we certainly need to ax the parasitic administrative side that is attached. After that we can revisit just how much funding is necessary and whether the research is actually beneficial or not (lol trans-mice were 'research').
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flown-the-coop said:

Iraq2xVeteran said:

From the MSN page, I have noticed numerous articles about angry constituents and protesters giving their congressmembers an earful over Trump-Musk spending cuts.

After an initially tepid response to President Donald Trump's return to the presidency, a series of drastic and possibly unconstitutional cuts to the federal workforce has incited anger among people who fear that they and their communities will suffer from those policies. While a handful of protests outside federal agencies targeted by Elon Musk's DOGE has drawn the most media attention, viral clips of rowdy crowds at lawmakers' town hall meetings have since spread across the internet.

Many of the anti-Trump protests have been organized by progressive groups like Indivisible and MoveOn, who have seen a surge in membership and fundraising. While Republicans contend that the backlash is the creation of liberal activists rather than an organic uprising of Americans in general, videos also show unmistakable anger from constituents in deep-red congressional districts as well.

In one town hall in the district of Rep. Rich McCormick, R-Ga., an attendee, citing cuts to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, demanded: "Why is the supposedly conservative party taking such a radical and extremist and sloppy approach to this?"

McCormick tried to assuage his questioner by saying that overspending would result in shortfalls to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, prompting the attendee to retort that the administration was taking a "chainsaw approach" that was "rushed" and done "sloppily." As the town hall continued, McCormick was interrupted several times by constituents saying, "we're pissed," and "don't bend over," as well as chants of "shame!"

Spooked by public outrage, GOP aides urge lawmakers to reconsider future town halls


The townhalls were quickly shown to be a ruse by the left who funded, hired actors and staged those townhalls.

Usual suspects in Soros, MoveOn.org, WFP.

Outside of faux outrages, singing at the Capitol, and the odd stories about medical school funding cuts and blind mothers, the vast majority of Americans support DOGE. Some polls have support at 75% plus.

Sit back and let DOGE do its thing. We will all be better for it.
I found another article from the Independent: Mike Johnson claims 'paid protesters' are disrupting GOP town halls then backtracks when asked for proof

Mike Johnson claims 'paid protesters' are disrupting GOP town halls then backtracks when asked for proof

And all these commenters:

Democrats came and filled the seats. Was that mentioned because Johnson thinks that only Republicans are to be served by the Federal gov't? Democrats are YOUR constituents, too. Do Republicans believe that They are the only ones allowed to make the rules? Are complaints and concerns of the Democrats being ignored?

54 thumbs up and 2 thumbs down

I'd like to see his evidence that protesters are/were paid. Oh, that's right, his party doesn't believe in producing evidence. It's all about here-say.

54 Thumbs up and 1 thumbs down

No, the American people are not behind what is happening. Perhaps if Johnson would read some of the emails he is getting from constituents and Americans from across the nation, and listen to the messages that are being called into him too, he would know that already.

He's either intentionally deluding himself or he is willfully lying about it.

21 thumbs up and 1 thumbs down


I agree that DOGE doing their thing will make the US better in the long run, even if it means job losses in the short run.

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I do not follow on the thumbs up or thumbs down thing you did.

So they are admitting that it was Dems complaining a R town halls? Because the way MSM is portraying it is that its Rs at R town halls.

Several polls have shown overwhelming support for DOGE.

Also, DOGE may be the best ever example of promises made, promises kept.

We had a very open, very fair, very beautiful poll on November 05, 2024 and it should the majority of the population wanted DOGE, led by Trump and managed by Elon.

The claim is Trump supporters are having widespread buyer's remorse. That is simply not factual.
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Somehow you've gone from me hoping that we can still teach docs in this country to me supporting trans mice research.

You might be the dumbest poster on the boards today. Congrats.
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No Spin Ag said:

aggie93 said:

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Not sure what the cartoonist means by functioning better. The value of twitter is only 20% of what it was when he bought it.
The product is actually better though. It runs better and it has more features that are relevant. Musk intentionally overpaid for Twitter because he understood the value was far greater than the profitability and that has certainly proved to be the case. I also think the long game is huge for X as advertisers are continuing to come back and the MSM continues to die. It's also really part of a much bigger picture for Elon and all of his companies and investments, the goal in purchasing Twitter wasn't for it to be his big money maker compared to his other companies, it was to help his overall portfolio grow.


Great point.

If anything, buying Twitter got Elon right where anyone in his position would like to be, in the ear of the president who can help him get all the government contracts he wants.

Sheer genius if you ask me.
If you think Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post to make money or that Bill Gates had Microsoft partner with NBC to make MSNBC for profit you really haven't been paying attention either. It's not even about government contracts it's about controlling PR and messaging or having the ability to at least make sure you can get your story out.
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txaggie_08 said:

While I agree with the sympathy, I don't know if I would start the victory dances just yet. Some of this is going to take time to work it's way through, and as Trump cuts off some of this funding it's going to hurt our economy (because our economy has been propped up by all of this government spending). Things are probbaly going to get worse before they get better.
I believe the majority of those bureaucrats will receive ~8 months severance so the effect in the economy will be mitigated somewhat. After the severance if they don't find employment then maybe some affect.
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t_J_e_C_x said:

I would say just cause you're not personally affected, can you say no harm has been done. My friends mother was in a program that helped her pay for injections to keep her eyesight, but now that funding to the program was cut, she's now out of pocket $400 per appointment. Injections was once every two weeks and now they're looking at end of eyesight options because they can't afford it.

My brother, too, who is a USN Veteran, worked with JSOC for years, was working for the DOD for USSF Logistics and now on the chopping block as part of the federal employment cuts. His wife and him just moved to accept this job and now they're faced with possible unemployment.

These stories just expand to many people who are affected though you don't know them. I get cuts and finding waste in Government and expunging it, but there are lives on the other end of this that will be seriously affected.
Never see any sympathy when layoffs occur in the private sector, so why should we when it is the government letting folks go? Thousands of people affected when Biden stopped drilling on federal lands and shut Keystone down. Not a peep from the masses for those affected. These are necessary actions. The time has come to make hard decisions and cuts. This is the only way unfortunately.
Exactly. In July 2018, I was laid off from Enterprise Products in Houston after working there for just 13 months, and that was my first full-time job after serving in the Army and graduating from Texas A&M in May 2017. I spent about 4.5 months looking for my next job before finally securing a full-time offer in late November 2018. Since January 2019, I have been working at TxDOT in Austin.
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Build It said:

Somehow you've gone from me hoping that we can still teach docs in this country to me supporting trans mice research.

You might be the dumbest poster on the boards today. Congrats.


Yes, concerned citizen, we'll be able to educate doctors without federal research funding. Yes, important research will still continue.

No, your brother won't get to keep his cushy job at everyone else's expense anymore. And no, it won't be as easy to get anything and everything funded (but since he only researches totally normal legitimate stuff, it shouldn't be an issue).

Feel better?
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richardag said:

txaggie_08 said:

While I agree with the sympathy, I don't know if I would start the victory dances just yet. Some of this is going to take time to work it's way through, and as Trump cuts off some of this funding it's going to hurt our economy (because our economy has been propped up by all of this government spending). Things are probbaly going to get worse before they get better.
I believe the majority of those bureaucrats will receive ~8 months severance so the effect in the economy will be mitigated somewhat. After the severance if they don't find employment then maybe some affect.

I'm not talking about only employees, I'm talking about all of the "aid" that was being doled out. That's money that's not cultivating out into the economy.
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You are incorrect, a lot of people have lost their jobs, notice when USAID was raided MSM started cutting and firing people.

that is the casualty here and all the bums that filled that USAID office. The small number of employees left were moved to Secretary of State's responsibility and I believe all programs will be eliminated, minus the aids program for Africa, which I think is the only one that survives. Which I am fine with I guess, but eventually that program needs to be handed off to the respective Governments where the programs are being ran. We cannot care for their nasty habits forever, they should know how AIDs is transferred by now
I believe many if not all of those employees laid off by MSM were and are multimillionaires.
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Not sure what the cartoonist means by functioning better. The value of twitter is only 20% of what it was when he bought it.
Or maybe it was overvalued to begin with.

Elon has trimmed the massive fat and actually made it profitable for the first time in its history.
Inconvenient facts you pointed out above. Elon Musk had a lot of FU money and used it to correct an egregious miseuse of censorship. Kudos to Musk.
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flown-the-coop said:

aggiedent said:

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aggiedent said:

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Not sure what the cartoonist means by functioning better. The value of twitter is only 20% of what it was when he bought it.
Or maybe it was overvalued to begin with.

Elon has trimmed the massive fat and actually made it profitable for the first time in its history.


Where the hell did you hear that? It's not even remotely close to profitable.


It is profitable before you factor in the debt burden. And around break-even to small loss after debt burden.

Pretty common for that to be the case following an acquisition financed with substantial debt and as the company stabilizes post-acquisition the debt holders are then brought in for a restructuring, which with ongoing profitability and advertisers returning, the terms will be favorable.

Or, Musk can pull out the ATM and buy the debt back and pocket the $1.2B currently being paid in interest.
X in 2024 Doubled Highest Yearly Twitter Profits
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  • Advertisers all returned to X (previously Twitter) a few months before the November 2024 election. 2024 X profits were $1.25 billion which was about double the highest adjusted EBITDA of Twitter which was in 2021 at $682 million.
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Not sure what the cartoonist means by functioning better. The value of twitter is only 20% of what it was when he bought it.
THE ASSESSED value.

Booting a metric crap-ton of bots and an unethical advertiser blackmail will undercut the profit side… but let's be honest: the cultural value of having a mostly free speech platform that doesn't push leftist ideology is unquantifiable.
Pre-Elon, Twitter was a government funded information operation. Bots and politically biased algorithms distorted the Twitterverse.

This chart of Twitter/X ad revenue historically with projections for 2025-27 shows a remarkable spike in ad revenue in 2021 and 2022 prior to Elon buying it. Based on what DOGE has found with USAID payments to news media organizations, it seems very likely that Twitter's revenue spike in 2021-2022 was actually laundered taxpayer money being funneled to Twitter for carrying the Uniparty's water to get Biden in office and to push COVID propaganda and other leftists conspiracies such as a the J6 "insurrection."



When you strip out all of the bots and laundered ad money, X is probably more far more valuable that is was in its days as Twitter under Dorsey. Elon didn't buy it for purposes of selling shares and capital appreciation but he's probably going to do just fine on that aspect in the long run. The projections of decreased ad revenue in 2025-2027 will be interesting to reflect upon as the MSM implosion continues.
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aggiedent said:

nu awlins ag said:

aggiedent said:

Ag87H2O said:

aggiedent said:

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Not sure what the cartoonist means by functioning better. The value of twitter is only 20% of what it was when he bought it.
Or maybe it was overvalued to begin with.

Elon has trimmed the massive fat and actually made it profitable for the first time in its history.


Where the hell did you hear that? It's not even remotely close to profitable.


How do you know what their revenue is? Are you just guessing it's not?


Again, most investment companies with lots of insider knowledge have estimated twitters profitability and value. I'm going with their expertise.
When have they ever been wrong?


I fully understand that this forum doesn't want any kind of narrative that Musk is anything other than a brilliant businessman. Understood. And I know that "expert" opinion is universally accepted when it fits the narrative and universally discarded when it doesn't. With such comments as, "When have they ever been wrong?"

I'm just not a narrative kind of person. To answer your question. I've been remarkably impressed with the accuracy of my investment company.
He did not buy Twitter with solely profits as the motivation, he bought Twitter to end the deplorable practice of censorship.
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txaggie_08 said:

While I agree with the sympathy, I don't know if I would start the victory dances just yet. Some of this is going to take time to work it's way through, and as Trump cuts off some of this funding it's going to hurt our economy (because our economy has been propped up by all of this government spending). Things are probbaly going to get worse before they get better.
I'd say we're definitely going to get worse before we get better.

Until the new budget arrives on March 14th (for better or worse), we're still expecting a deficit this year of $2.125 trillion. All that fiat money is going to put severe pressure on money to inflate.

Until that is resolved, it's likely going to be the summer of '26 before significant numbers get better.
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If we don't raise rates and cut the budget this conversation is moot.
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Ryan the Temp said:

fc2112 said:

nothing that was defunded created value added.
The National Park Service has been subjected to massive layoffs and program cuts. The NPS is not funded with tax dollars - it is funded by user fees paid by visitors to national parks. In fact, since the first major revamp of how NPS is funded back in 1987, the user fee revenue has significantly exceeded the NPS operating budget and the excess user fee revenue is put into the general fund to pay for other government programs that would otherwise be funded by tax revenue.

Being a net revenue generating operation adds value.
According to Mike Rowe on one of his episodes. The revenue numbers include the amount visitors paid to local economies. Actual revenue directly to the National Parks service is substantially less that the amount of federal government spending.
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/national-parks-contributed-record-high-556-billion-us-economy-supported-415000-jobs
  • The National Park Service report, 2023 National Park Visitor Spending Effects, finds that 325.5 million visitors spent $26.4 billion in communities near national parks. This spending supported 415,400 jobs, provided $19.4 billion in labor income, and $55.6 in economic output to the U.S. economy. The lodging sector had the highest direct contributions with $9.9 billion in economic output and 89,200 jobs. Restaurants received the next greatest direct contributions with $5.2 billion in economic output and 68,600 jobs.
The question becomes will any reductions in the National Parks service Service affect the numbers of visitors.

It is somewhat disingenuous to report these extremely high revenue numbers without some clarity.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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I could not care less how much the tourists spend in Jackson Hole or Aspen. The NPS isn't responsible for that revenue except to the extent that it makes real estate prices very high by making scenic private land very scarce. If the locals at such places thought that they could buy the national parks and take them private to create an even larger buffer between their mansions and the rest of America, they would do it in a heartbeat.
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DeLaHonta said:

Ryan the Temp said:

fc2112 said:

nothing that was defunded created value added.
The National Park Service has been subjected to massive layoffs and program cuts. The NPS is not funded with tax dollars - it is funded by user fees paid by visitors to national parks. In fact, since the first major revamp of how NPS is funded back in 1987, the user fee revenue has significantly exceeded the NPS operating budget and the excess user fee revenue is put into the general fund to pay for other government programs that would otherwise be funded by tax revenue.

Being a net revenue generating operation adds value.
Is this true? I love the NPS, but when I look at the FY25 budget, it shows that it's estimating a grand total of $665 million of receipts collected by the NPS ($365 million of which were recreational fees), with $3.1 billion of operations expenses. The FY25 discretionary budget request for the NPS is $3.58 billion.

https://www.doi.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2024-03/fy2025-508-nps-greenbook_2.pdf
Exactly, the numbers of revenue the National Parks service Service include money spent in the local economies.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
 
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