Tulsi Gabbard confirmation update?

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What do oddsmakers give her?

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Is the confirmation process and especially roadblocking, not a bit outdated and a product of different circumstances? For a time when instantaneous consultation was not feasible or practical?

Seriously, what is to stop Trump from putting a desired cabinet member denied simply on a speed dial arrangement (let alone texting or emails) where basically orders anything they suggest? Or vests them as some manner of assistant or minister not of the Cabinet like FDR did?

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In before someone claims shes not that hot
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titan said:


Is the confirmation process and especially roadblocking, not a bit outdated and a product of different circumstances? For a time when instantaneous consultation was not feasible or practical?

Seriously, what is to stop Trump from putting a desired cabinet member denied simply on a speed dial arrangement (let alone texting or emails) where basically orders anything they suggest? Or vests them as some manner of assistant or minister not of the Cabinet like FDR did?




He will do recess appointments if she is denied which I dont see
Happening
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HoustonAg9999 said:

In before someone claims shes not that hot



Needs to lose a few pounds
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Understand that. The question was more general -- couldn't he really do just what posted? Isn't that what the age of instant communication (and now even virtual "in-person" communication) makes possible?
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Not only was she a warrior for them in their endless wars, but she was a loyal dem for many many years and was considered a presidential hopeful for them. If she never switched that label, they'd vote for her unanimously.
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she never switched that label, they'd vote for her unanimously


And every Republican but Collins & murkowski would vote against her.
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BMX Bandit said:

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she never switched that label, they'd vote for her unanimously


And every Republican but Collins & murkowski would vote against her.


Just like they did for all.of Biden's appointments. Republicans rarely vote in lock-step.
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taxpreparer said:

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she never switched that label, they'd vote for her unanimously


And every Republican but Collins & murkowski would vote against her.


Just like they did for all.of Biden's appointments. Republicans rarely vote in lock-step.
In this kind of thing, that's not the virtue it sometimes is touted as. Enough Republicans seeming remarkably inclined to let a Democrat President get their choices despite the fact that Democrats almost never indulge them in return. What are they "rewarding" that the Democrats have done?

That has a very "controlled opposition" feel to it as increasingly hear.

Second, since especially in a mandate election the people voted for a particular President's intended policies, you should arguably give him who he thinks will do the job or understands his intent best.

And regarding post above, still say the whole thing is a bit outdated now- --absolutely can see no obstacle to doing what FDR did or even a more modern version of the proverbial speed dial to shape the same policies.
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The only strike they have against her is that she left the Democrat party. This is a warning shot to others.
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BMX Bandit said:

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she never switched that label, they'd vote for her unanimously


And every Republican but Collins & murkowski would vote against her.
No way. Not even Garland, Mayorkas and Buttigiege got the full R's blocking.
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I am just saying that if Biden had nominated Tulsi, instead of a DEI candidate, the Republicans would have voted for her. Republicans seldom stand strong against Democrat President's cabinet nominees.
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I am just saying that if Biden had nominated Tulsi, instead of a DEI candidate, the Republicans would have voted for her. Republicans seldom stand strong against Democrat President's cabinet nominees.



The real republicans stand strong! I guarantee you Ted Cruz would have voted against Gabbard as DNI for Biden!

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Im Gipper said:


I guarantee you Ted Cruz would have voted against Gabbard as DNI for Biden!
on what grounds? What has Gabbard done to disqualify herself?
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I guarantee you Ted Cruz would have voted against Gabbard as DNI for Biden!
on what grounds? What has Gabbard done to disqualify herself?


On the grounds she's a liberal. Go loook up statements on Iran. A damn fool is what she is!

The same reason he voted against Biden actual DNI pick.

He supports her now because he believes Trump shoul get his team in place. Nothing wrong with that!

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Im Gipper said:

taxpreparer said:

I am just saying that if Biden had nominated Tulsi, instead of a DEI candidate, the Republicans would have voted for her. Republicans seldom stand strong against Democrat President's cabinet nominees.


Yes, but how many Republicans voted for Haines, Austin, Blinken, Yellen, Buttigeig, etc.?


The real republicans stand strong! I guarantee you Ted Cruz would have voted against Gabbard as DNI for Biden!
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when has Ted Cruz ever voted against a POTUS's nomination simply on the grounds of "being a liberal"?
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oh no said:

when has Ted Cruz ever voted against a POTUS's nomination simply on the grounds of "being a liberal"?


Everyone of Biden's loser nominee!

Cruz voted against them because of their harmful liberal positions. You think he voted based on their fashion choices? lol

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I am just saying that if Biden had nominated Tulsi, instead of a DEI candidate, the Republicans would have voted for her. Republicans seldom stand strong against Democrat President's cabinet nominees.
Not disagreeing --- that's part of what i was asking --- WHY does the GOP basically believe the Democrat President should get his picks (Graham is a good example) and yet, they don't even get that mad when the Democrats do not reciprocate. WHAT are they REWARDING on the part of the Democrats???

The second point is just how essential is getting the post --- can Trump not order what he would be having a Cabinet member direct anyway? If really wanted to? Why would a cabinet denial mean the reform associated is killed in turn?
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WHY does the GOP basically believe the Democrat President should get his picks


Because most of them are weak moderates. There aren't many conservatives sadly in the senate. And there are no moderate democrats!

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titan said:

taxpreparer said:

I am just saying that if Biden had nominated Tulsi, instead of a DEI candidate, the Republicans would have voted for her. Republicans seldom stand strong against Democrat President's cabinet nominees.
Not disagreeing --- that's part of what i was asking --- WHY does the GOP basically believe the Democrat President should get his picks (Graham is a good example) and yet, they don't even get that mad when the Democrats do not reciprocate. WHAT are they REWARDING on the part of the Democrats???

The second point is just how essential is getting the post --- can Trump not order what he would be having a Cabinet member direct anyway? If really wanted to? Why would a cabinet denial mean the reform associated is killed in turn?
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Im Gipper said:

oh no said:

when has Ted Cruz ever voted against a POTUS's nomination simply on the grounds of "being a liberal"?


Everyone of Biden's loser nominee!

Cruz voted against them because of their harmful liberal positions. You think he voted based on their fashion choices? lol

In Cruz's objection to Mayorkas four years ago, he cited specific reasons. Not just "being a liberal" and not fashion choices.
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Perhaps his most vociferous objection was for Alejandro Mayorkas, who was tapped to head the Department of Homeland Security. In his position, Mayorkas oversees the Biden administration's immigration strategy and national security concerns. Cruz and Cornyn were united in their opposition in that case.

In a letter to colleagues, Cruz slammed Mayorkas, who previously served as deputy secretary of homeland security and director of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services under former President Barack Obama, for a DHS inspector general report in 2015 that said Mayorkas created the appearance of favoritism by intervening in the process of reviewing three visa applications.

Furthermore, Cruz criticized Mayorkas' involvement in administering the "brazenly unlawful" Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans programs under Obama.Those programs delayed deportations of children brought into the country illegally or parents of Americans or permanent residents. DACA in particular has some support among Republicans, but many conservatives argue that both programs are an overreach of executive power. Texas is suing the federal government in an attempt to get DACA overturned. The courts prevented DAPA from going into effect.

"Even apart from this pattern of unethical conduct, Mr. Mayorkas has shown a repeated disregard for the rule of law," Cruz said.

So I ask again, what specifically would he have said if he objected to Tulsi had Biden nominated her four years ago?
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HoustonAg9999 said:

In before someone claims shes not that hot

She's definitely Democrat "hot" but now that she's a Republican I'd say she's closer to mid.
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I can answer that one.

Her buddying up to Assad;
Her love of the Obama Iran deal;
Her blaming Trump for Iran shooting down a passenger plane;
Her being mad Trump took out terrorist Soleimani;
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Thank you.
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You literally listed out ways Mayorkis acted like a liberal.

Why did Cruz vote against Biden's DNI?

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Im Gipper said:

You literally listed out ways Mayorkis acted like a liberal.

Why did Cruz vote against Biden's DNI?
"repeated disregard for the rule of law" might often be synonymous with "being a liberal" but Cruz or anyone else can't just oppose a president's nomination without attempting to provide real reasons. I was asking what they would have been for Tulsi and you know it. BMX answered my question. Why do you insist on being obtuse?
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HoustonAg9999 said:

In before someone claims shes not that hot

She is that hot, and that worries me. How many of her achievements are due to that? It won't help her in her new job. Or it may help her, since getting other people to do her bidding is a big part of it. But it is no substitute for the obsessiveness of high performers.
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repeated disregard for the rule of law"


What was the disregard for law by Biden DNI?

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BMX Bandit said:

I can answer that one.

Her buddying up to Assad;
Her love of the Obama Iran deal;
Her blaming Trump for Iran shooting down a passenger plane;
Her being mad Trump took out terrorist Soleimani;
That's a good list. Some remarks:

Her buddying up to Assad; = Depends on context. That's easy. He was quite manageable and better than ISIS. The drive to get rid of him partly created the European refugee disaster; repeating the Iraq mistake.

Her love of the Obama Iran deal; = That is serious. How could it have ever looked good--- unless just seen from the perspective she was just grateful for once Iran diplomacy not having the Bolton tone. Its important to remember what a bad taste the Bush-Cheney team left for just being bellicose and seemingly seeking more conflicts.

Her blaming Trump for Iran shooting down a passenger plane; = That's a solid point.

Her being mad Trump took out terrorist Soleimani; = That would be more interesting to know just what went into it --- its an easy call if you are some international law fan. Too controversial and out of the blue in a non-war situation. But that's just speculation. So two of those points require good answers for sure.

Edit: Perhaps more attention should be paid to the post itself --- what makes her good for DNI? Is that really a "house-cleaning" type position or more for an egghead, or even an American Putin? Is the post more arm-chair civilian in tone or `analytical autist' in tone?
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titan said:


Is the confirmation process and especially roadblocking, not a bit outdated and a product of different circumstances? For a time when instantaneous consultation was not feasible or practical?

Seriously, what is to stop Trump from putting a desired cabinet member denied simply on a speed dial arrangement (let alone texting or emails) where basically orders anything they suggest? Or vests them as some manner of assistant or minister not of the Cabinet like FDR did?



there are other options if they are voted down such as "recess appointments"

or more likely appointing them the Deputy Assistant Secretary or UnderSecretary

but you still want to fight for them to get the real actual Cabinet position first.
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BMX Bandit said:

I can answer that one.

Her buddying up to Assad;
Her love of the Obama Iran deal;
Her blaming Trump for Iran shooting down a passenger plane;
Her being mad Trump took out terrorist Soleimani;
I am with you brother

but in this case- being head of the DNI who really cares?

she is not making policy like SECSTATE or SECDEF or even NSA

she simply aggregates data and briefs her superiors

unless you think she is so ideological that she would lie and try to corrupt the underlying data.

I don't buy it.

I think she hates the Intel agencies that tried to @#$#@ her and she will take vengeance and be a good soldier.
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https://ballotpedia.org/How_senators_voted_on_Biden_Cabinet_nominees,_2021

FYI, Cruz and Scott supported 3 of Biden's cabinet nominees in 2021. Don't have time now to keep digging
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WSJ out with a hit piece on Tulsi. Something about her Hindu sect and pyramid scheme. Article installed but I am sure others will pick it up.

Never change libs, never change.

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