Non-consensual vaccinations while in surgery?

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Woods Ag said:

good one.. i guess you win if that's the objective here.
No objective or trying to "win" - healthcare is only "won" by having good outcomes. Sounded like you had a bad ER staff at whatever place you went. I get called to the ER a lot and for the most part at my location they are pretty good. But, I've had to take relatives to ones (some rural) and they scare the crap out of me. My point was only that you got a bad set of people working your case and I don't think it was part of the feelings of covid conspiracies - just that that's what they latched on to. I was only a fraction of the way into reading your descriptions and had it narrowed down to one of several items causing issues with your liver or cross-function interactions.

As someone in the OR a lot, I just don't see where they (or anyone) would/could give you a covid vaccine during surgery. You are asking to prove a negative (someone didn't give you a shot). And they are too many people that would have to keep it under wraps.

Sorry what you went through with the Hepatitis - very serious condition and the ER shouldn't be so incompetent.
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G Martin 87 said:

Woods Ag said:

Zero percent chance?

Can you explain to me how you're so sure? I know nurses that can get pills. Why couldn't they get an undocumented Covid vaccine?
RIF. Yes, 0,00% chance this happened due to an established policy at the organizational level. Literally would never happen.

Why am I so sure? A 30+ year career in healthcare at hospitals, clinics, and payers, including department head administration.
I was recently in ER due to a fall. Took 7 staples to the skull, 15 stitches in ear, and two cracked ribs. During the ER visit a nurse came in with a syringe and I asked what it was for. She said Flu vaccine. I immediately said I DID NOT WANT Covid vaccine. Again she said Flu only. When I got the bill I looked up the code for the vacc and it was a generic code covering all vaccines. Did not have the sub-category code which differentiates between regular Flu, Covid, etc. As a pure blood I was really worried Covid vacc had been administered.

Went to PCP to have staples removed and had him look at the pages long bill and he found the area I had missed which itemized all vacc stuff. The only shot I got turned out to be for Tetanus. What a relief.

Long story to say the bold part above is correct. My PCP confirmed that.
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Sharpshooter said:

G Martin 87 said:

Woods Ag said:

Zero percent chance?

Can you explain to me how you're so sure? I know nurses that can get pills. Why couldn't they get an undocumented Covid vaccine?
RIF. Yes, 0,00% chance this happened due to an established policy at the organizational level. Literally would never happen.

Why am I so sure? A 30+ year career in healthcare at hospitals, clinics, and payers, including department head administration.
I was recently in ER due to a fall. Took 7 staples to the skull, 15 stitches in ear, and two cracked ribs. During the ER visit a nurse came in with a syringe and I asked what it was for. She said Flu vaccine. I immediately said I DID NOT WANT Covid vaccine. Again she said Flu only. When I got the bill I looked up the code for the vacc and it was a generic code covering all vaccines. Did not have the sub-category code which differentiates between regular Flu, Covid, etc. As a pure blood I was really worried Covid vacc had been administered.

Went to PCP to have staples removed and had him look at the pages long bill and he found the area I had missed which itemized all vacc stuff. The only shot I got turned out to be for Tetanus. What a relief.

Long story to say the bold part above is correct. My PCP confirmed that.
You got charged for a tetanus vaccine not the flu vaccine the nurse told you she was giving you.

I'm not saying that there is some official underhanded covid vaccination happening. I am saying that either the nurse or the person who scanned the tetanus vaccine weren't paying attention to what they were doing.

Which is just as scary as a rogue hospital policy.
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it's also posting about the Pope forming satanic images as he opens up the doors for the Catholic Jubilee year.

Well, with this awful pope, you never know.
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I believe her.

Believe all women.

Even the ones with big hooters.

Especially the ones with big hooters.
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Woods Ag said:

proven out by the psychopathic medical community. Let's ignore what happened in 2020-2022.

If you didn't get vaccinated you were seen as a ******.

I was in India this summer for a month. I came back and got incredibly sick. It took 3 trips to the Urgent Care and ER (Urgent Care is connected to the ER) to get diagnosed.

Here's how this went:
I went in and complained of pale stool, nausea, dark urine, oscilating between shivering cold and sweating profusely but not running a fever, no energy. Basically death.

1st visit: they checked my urine, nothing found, it's new covid.. this is all the same symptoms of new covid. Are you vaccinated?
- No
Well then it's definitely new covid.
- Yeah, I never got covid. I travelled for work throughout, never got vaccinated, got tested a million times - never had covid. Crazy I have covid now...
That's what it is..

I got a little better before getting way worse, so I go back.
Literally same routine - they blame new covid..

3 days later I'm almost dead, I go to the ER. At this point I'm yellow and the nurse confirms this. They run blood, urine, etc. Doc comes in and says "Yeah, everything looks fine. this is all the same symptoms of new covid. Nurse will be back in to unhook you and you'll be out of here shortly"

I protested, went over my symptoms, please "have you checked my liver? Are you sure my liver is ok? Your nurse even told me I look yellow..."

He leaves, comes back within 2 minutes and immediately the wheel me down to Ultrasound, run tests and admit me. I have Hep A with ALT and AST of greater than 3300.



Those doctors wouldnt slip a vaccine in because they believe they're doing it for the greater good? Give me a ****ing break.
The medical staff all saying you had the 'new covid' instead of seeing that you were looking like Bart Simpson was just incentivized laziness.

The medical staff and hospitals all got paid more for diagnosing patients with covid. So they did. Remember all the symptoms that were sure signs of covid infections, including having no symptoms? That made it really easy to just rubber stamp "covid" on each chart and send the patient home, because most of the patients wrongly diagnosed with covid would eventually get better or go to some other medical facility. So it was a win in the Problem Solved column.

It's like missing kids back in the 70s-80s. Just call the missing kid a runaway and wait for him to come home when he's ready. No legwork and hardly any paperwork needed. Put a check in the Problem Solved column.
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Kansas Kid said:

Of course it's true. It's on X which has only real news.


Come on now. Everyone knows it's only ever the lame stream media that's putting out fake news.
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No Spin Ag said:

Kansas Kid said:

Of course it's true. It's on X which has only real news.


Come on now. Everyone knows it's only ever the lame stream media that's putting out fake news.
Not only, but most consistently
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Have we fast-forwarded to April 1st?
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Yes, I wondered about that as well. However, I had been knocked out and question myself as to my memory. My daughter, who was with me the entire time, does not remember the Flu designation but does remember the Tetanus shot. Tetanus was definitely needed due to the nature of the injuries, but, I am convinced I was not given the sneak covid vaccine. Especially after speaking with my PCP and him showing me the info on the bill.
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Sharpshooter said:

Yes, I wondered about that as well. However, I had been knocked out and question myself as to my memory. My daughter, who was with me the entire time, does not remember the Flu designation but does remember the Tetanus shot. Tetanus was definitely needed due to the nature of the injuries, but, I am convinced I was not given the sneak covid vaccine. Especially after speaking with my PCP and him showing me the info on the bill.
Speaking of being knocked out, I got a weird one to tell.

I had gallbladder surgery in August. The pain medication I received before the medical types decided I needed surgery didn't touch the pain nor did it knock me out as it usually does. But after surgery, I couldn't keep my eyes open nor my head up for about a day. I swear that a lady claiming to be a hospital official, dressed in office clothes with a badge on a lanyard (couldn't see what was on the badge as I didn't have my glasses along with not being able to keep my eyes open) came in to talk to me. I remember her asking about my SSN and mother's maiden name among other things.

Either my brain gives me really weird dreams or I pretty much just gave all of the information needed to steal my identity to a stranger.

I will say that I was so knocked out for the day after the surgery that anybody could have shot me full of anything or not given me prescribed medication and I either wouldn't know or couldn't be sure if it was real.
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So they secretly gave you the Vax and then charged you for it?

That's something!

I'm Gipper
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The only reason for my sharing of that story is to show that even today there are people in the medical community that are die hard covidians and vaccines are so important. Everything is covid until I, using ChatGPT to diagnose myself, held their hand down the path to liver disease.

Back to my original inquiry. I'd like to know what the safety nets, policies, and procedures are to ensure that some psychopath isn't just "doing God's work" to vaccinate the unbelievers. You said 0% chance, which means you're pretty confident. I just am not familiar with the industry and how they monitor for this.

From what I can gather from posts here the only thing stopping them is that if they scan it in it's getting added to my bill. So, I guess they could as long as they don't scan it in? I know that doesn't make sense for a hospital that is trying to make money, but for individual staff that is a true believer, they're just doing the world a favor in stopping the spread. The crazy nurse that was shooting insulin into IV bags. I guess he wasn't using his insulin and was getting it from the hospital?

Edit: directed at both you and DrWood.
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Im Gipper said:

So they secretly gave you the Vax and then charged you for it?

That's something!
Not sure where you got that from my posts.
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Woods Ag said:

The only reason for my sharing of that story is to show that even today there are people in the medical community that are die hard covidians and vaccines are so important. Everything is covid until I, using ChatGPT to diagnose myself, held their hand down the path to liver disease.

Back to my original inquiry. I'd like to know what the safety nets, policies, and procedures are to ensure that some psychopath isn't just "doing God's work" to vaccinate the unbelievers.

From what I can gather from posts here the only thing stopping them is that if they scan it in it's getting added to my bill. So, I guess they could as long as they don't scan it in? I know that doesn't make sense for a hospital that is trying to make money, but for individual staff that is a true believer, they're just doing the world a favor in stopping the spread.

Edit: directed at both you and DrWood.
I'm not a medical professional but I did stay in the room in the ER where there was some beeping machine that people were constantly using and talking about medicines while using. I believe that it was a machine that allows a nurse to get medicines for his patients but requires the nurse to enter his own passcode and maybe the patient's identifier before the medicine is physically released to the nurse to take to the patient. The nurse would then scan the medicine just before administering it to the patient. This would track possession of the dose of medication from the hospital's stores through the nurse's hands to the patient's body. Red flags would go up if a medication was released to a nurse but never scanned as being administered to a patient.

Vaccinations would probably be held under the same type of security.

I'm thinking that the covid true believer would either have to find a different source of covid vaccines than the hospital controlled stock or would have a work-around for the accounting protocols to get the vaccine. Maybe through a like-minded acquaintance or co-worker? Exploiting a malfunctioning lock? Sticky fingers at a drive-thru covid vaccination site? Hell, this true believer could be dumb enough to get some fake 'corvid vacxinee' off of the internet somewhere. Your guess is as good as mine as to how somebody could steal drugs.

Now, for this true believer to administer it. That's the easy part for a nurse and not so easy for a doctor. For my gallbladder surgery stay, I NEVER asked to see what was being injected into my IV as I was in too much pain to see straight and how would I know what was in the syringe? I know I slept through some blood draws. I figure you could have stabbed me with a fork and I wouldn't remember it. Doctors would have a harder time as they aren't in the patient's room as often, but it could still be done. It would be as simple as the doctor saying that he had picked up your pain medicine dose to help the nurse out as he injected something into you.

(Aside, I do remember faintly a doctor or a nurse injecting something into the skin around the incisions where I had a lot of bruising. Not sure if the injection caused the bruising or if the bruising called for the injection. I was REALLY out of it. And no, I don't think it was a stealth covid vax.)

I believe that there are true believers out there wanting to give covert covid vaccinations but I also believe that their numbers are incredibly tiny. And the number of successful true believers would be minuscule. It's just too much work to get the vaccine to do this. I also believe that any medical professional getting caught doing this or just advocating doing this would be pulled up very sharply by supervisors and lawyer types or fired outright because of liability reasons or reputation reasons.



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Sharpshooter said:

Im Gipper said:

So they secretly gave you the Vax and then charged you for it?

That's something!
Not sure where you got that from my posts.



showing me the info on the bill.

I'm Gipper
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Im Gipper said:

Sharpshooter said:

Im Gipper said:

So they secretly gave you the Vax and then charged you for it?

That's something!
Not sure where you got that from my posts.



showing me the info on the bill.
Wow, you need to re-read all my posts, starting at 1:02 PM, and perhaps you might understand that comment. That was a reference to my PCP finding info on the bill that the vacc was for Tetanus, not flu, covid, or anything else other than Tetanus. Nowhere did I say I was secretly given the Vax and then charged for it.
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Ty. Wasn't sure how that worked.

And I am confident anyone that was caught doing this isn't just fired but would be in prison.
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Infection_Ag11 said:

SociallyConditionedAg said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

This doesn't happen

Now there are surgeries where vaccinations are required if you are going to undergo them, like organ transplants, but these are consented for and initial doses administered outside of surgery either before or after the procedure.

There are other surgeries, namely splenectomies, where multiple different vaccinations are strongly recommended but not required. Again, you consent to these and they are administered after surgery.

There is no such thing as a vaccine administered while under general anesthesia, and certainly not one for which consent was not obtained. That's not only medical malpractice, it's felony battery.

Forcing someone to get a vaccine for a life-saving organ transplant isn't consent.


There's a very limited supply of organs, and part of the triage process is maximizing the likelihood that the organ won't be rejected and the patient will do everything to maximize their life expectancy. It's no different than requiring recipients to stop drinking/smoking, undergo all sorts of laboratory testing, take immunosuppressants after surgery, etc.

It's much different. Quitting alcohol and cigarettes is healthy. Vaccines have side effects and should be left to the discretion of the recipient. The fact that this is done is abhorrent and goes against all ethical and moral practices.
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SociallyConditionedAg said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

SociallyConditionedAg said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

This doesn't happen

Now there are surgeries where vaccinations are required if you are going to undergo them, like organ transplants, but these are consented for and initial doses administered outside of surgery either before or after the procedure.

There are other surgeries, namely splenectomies, where multiple different vaccinations are strongly recommended but not required. Again, you consent to these and they are administered after surgery.

There is no such thing as a vaccine administered while under general anesthesia, and certainly not one for which consent was not obtained. That's not only medical malpractice, it's felony battery.

Forcing someone to get a vaccine for a life-saving organ transplant isn't consent.


There's a very limited supply of organs, and part of the triage process is maximizing the likelihood that the organ won't be rejected and the patient will do everything to maximize their life expectancy. It's no different than requiring recipients to stop drinking/smoking, undergo all sorts of laboratory testing, take immunosuppressants after surgery, etc.

It's much different. Quitting alcohol and cigarettes is healthy. Vaccines have side effects and should be left to the discretion of the recipient. The fact that this is done is abhorrent and goes against all ethical and moral practices.


The immunosuppressants they all have to take have an exponentially greater potential to cause harm than any vaccine ever developed. And yet if they say they won't take them after surgery, they won't get the organ.
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I do not really believe this is going on, but to say there is 100% no way it happens is to claim that drugs never go missing in hospitals.
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agent-maroon said:

Geometry is a gateway to Satanism. I knew it!


Are you trying to be obtuse?
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Infection_Ag11 said:

SociallyConditionedAg said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

SociallyConditionedAg said:

Infection_Ag11 said:

This doesn't happen

Now there are surgeries where vaccinations are required if you are going to undergo them, like organ transplants, but these are consented for and initial doses administered outside of surgery either before or after the procedure.

There are other surgeries, namely splenectomies, where multiple different vaccinations are strongly recommended but not required. Again, you consent to these and they are administered after surgery.

There is no such thing as a vaccine administered while under general anesthesia, and certainly not one for which consent was not obtained. That's not only medical malpractice, it's felony battery.

Forcing someone to get a vaccine for a life-saving organ transplant isn't consent.


There's a very limited supply of organs, and part of the triage process is maximizing the likelihood that the organ won't be rejected and the patient will do everything to maximize their life expectancy. It's no different than requiring recipients to stop drinking/smoking, undergo all sorts of laboratory testing, take immunosuppressants after surgery, etc.

It's much different. Quitting alcohol and cigarettes is healthy. Vaccines have side effects and should be left to the discretion of the recipient. The fact that this is done is abhorrent and goes against all ethical and moral practices.


The immunosuppressants they all have to take have an exponentially greater potential to cause harm than any vaccine ever developed. And yet if they say they won't take them after surgery, they won't get the organ.

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But an immunosuppressant is necessary for the body to take the organ, not the vaccine. That's just evil.
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