H1-Bs and Trump's AI advisor

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VerdeAg said:

I would argue Elon is worse, all the arrogance of Trump with zero political power. He's like a teenager who will take his ball home if things aren't going his way

Maybe not overt political power but he's the world's richest man and owns the best free speech app, which counts for something.
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. good times create weak men. and weak men create hard times.

less virtue signaling, more vice signaling.

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VerdeAg said:

I would argue Elon is worse, all the arrogance of Trump with zero political power. He's like a teenager who will take his ball home if things aren't going his way
He just stopped down the House's funding bill with a tweet, he's one of the most powerful individuals in Washington right now.
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AggieVictor10 said:

VerdeAg said:

Tech Bros are some of the most narcissist people I've come across. The entire world revolves around them mentality


Now do Trump.

Vivek and Elon are NOWHERE near his level of narcissism.


Okay, as one who has been extremely critical of Trump's personal failings, Vivek, to me, is infinitely worse.

Trump and Elon's narcissistic behaviors were at the same level as pretty much anyone in their shoes when they started off. Their narcissism, as happens to most in their positions, grew. Yes, theirs could be seen as more than others, but, it wasn't like that in the beginning.

Vivek has been this was for as far back as I've seen, and that's why, to me, he's the worst of the three.
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I love how this has basically revealed the reality of the H1-B program to the world. We would have never known how bad it really was without Vivek and Musk sperging out on X. Now everyone is deep diving the full list and uncovering hoardes of scamming. The entire system is broken.
It gets better...



https://h1bgrader.com/h1b-sponsors/texas-a-and-m-university-150n7r3ekg#employer-h1b-lcas



Old McDonald
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i must admit to feeling schadenfreude over musk, vivek, sachs, et al using their immense wealth to co-opt the america first movement to enrich themselves and their billionaire buddies only to realize too late that the animating force at the core of the movement isn't sincere desire for american prosperity, but rather just garden-variety, lizard-brain tribalism and racial resentment.
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You've almost got it figured out, if only you could drop the hatred for white civilization

But it will be interesting watching what Elon and Co. do. I think they were fully aware of the 'animating force' (that's a great term for it btw) but foolishly thought that force could just be duped like they've been doing with boomercons for years.
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I'm old enough to remember when leftists and the media

told me that the MAGA movement were unthinking cultists who did everything Trump told them to do without objection.

Fascists and that kind of thing.
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LMCane said:

I'm old enough to remember when leftists and the media

told me that the MAGA movement were unthinking cultists who did everything Trump told them to do without objection.

Fascists and that kind of thing.


Im old enough to remember YOU saying similar things!

I'm Gipper
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Glad to, at least, see people getting aware of this nonsense. I'm a native born IT business owner and I cannot stand H1B. We have to deal with those MSPs whom do nothing fruitful.
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Will Trump support the people or Elon and his ilk?
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Muktheduck said:

You've almost got it figured out, if only you could drop the hatred for white civilization
what is white civilization exactly? at what point specifically does a white civilization cease to be one?

for all the kvetching about foreigners being a threat to american civilization/culture, i've yet to see a coherent definition for what exactly it is the nationalists think they're protecting or trying to retvrn to by deporting a few hundred thousand hb1 holders from a workforce of 150M+
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samurai_science said:

Will Trump support the people or Elon and his ilk?


Who are "the people?"
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. good times create weak men. and weak men create hard times.

less virtue signaling, more vice signaling.

Birds aren’t real
Lol,lmao
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AggieVictor10 said:

samurai_science said:

Will Trump support the people or Elon and his ilk?


Who are "the people?"
The people not abusing the H-1B system to screw American workers?
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Old McDonald said:

Muktheduck said:

You've almost got it figured out, if only you could drop the hatred for white civilization
what is white civilization exactly? at what point specifically does a white civilization cease to be one?

for all the kvetching about foreigners being a threat to american civilization/culture, i've yet to see a coherent definition for what exactly it is the nationalists think they're protecting or trying to retvrn to by deporting a few hundred thousand hb1 holders from a workforce of 150M+
You would think every Asian country was extremely racist...hyper racist...if you think any of these ideas kicked around on here are racist, which is what you seem to be implying. Are they racist for engaging in self-preservation? Or trying to keep their culture intact and look out for their people first and foremost?

Neither you, nor your offspring, would ever be considered real citizens of those countries if you were to move there for good. You would always be outsiders...and inferior outcasts, in the eyes of many.

Why is it only white people who commit some mortal sin by not wanting to become less and less and less white of a society over time? Any other group of people is "brave" and "strong" for wanting to do the same. Only whites are hold to this crazy standard. My 100% Asian wife acknowledges this and thinks it's crazy.
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Texaggie7nine said:

Nanomachines son said:

Texaggie7nine said:

I support Vivek and Elon now more than Trump


You never supported Trump. All you have ever cared about is consuming more cheap product.
Everyone wants lower priced products. It's why Amazon beat everyone. Lower priced products means higher standard of living for everyone.


Amazon has become almost nothing but cheap chinese **** and knockoffs. And I highly, highly recommend NOT buying anything you actually consume or put on your skin from there
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samurai_science said:

AggieVictor10 said:

samurai_science said:

Will Trump support the people or Elon and his ilk?


Who are "the people?"
The people not abusing the H-1B system to screw American workers?


But if we care about meritocracy, wouldn't we want the best?
Alternatively, we can stop supporting the companies abusing the H-1B system and let the market sort it out.
Seems like a simple solution. Trump could just let it ride.
hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. good times create weak men. and weak men create hard times.

less virtue signaling, more vice signaling.

Birds aren’t real
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DannyDuberstein said:

Texaggie7nine said:

Nanomachines son said:

Texaggie7nine said:

I support Vivek and Elon now more than Trump


You never supported Trump. All you have ever cared about is consuming more cheap product.
Everyone wants lower priced products. It's why Amazon beat everyone. Lower priced products means higher standard of living for everyone.


Amazon has become almost nothing but cheap chinese *****
It is crazy how true this has become. Seems to be noticably worse just in the last yr.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Texaggie7nine said:

Nanomachines son said:

Texaggie7nine said:

I support Vivek and Elon now more than Trump


You never supported Trump. All you have ever cared about is consuming more cheap product.
Everyone wants lower priced products. It's why Amazon beat everyone. Lower priced products means higher standard of living for everyone.


Amazon has become almost nothing but cheap chinese *****
It is crazy how true this has become. Seems to be noticably worse just in the last yr.


And all with bots to inflate fake ratings

Always amazing to see some obscure, cheap product with 3000 reviews and a 4.9 rating
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Sad part is it's not really that cheap. Amazon is becoming increasingly crappy with resellers inflating prices.

You can usually get the same thing off temu, banggood etc... you just wait for shipping a bit.
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Old McDonald said:

Muktheduck said:

You've almost got it figured out, if only you could drop the hatred for white civilization
what is white civilization exactly? at what point specifically does a white civilization cease to be one?

for all the kvetching about foreigners being a threat to american civilization/culture, i've yet to see a coherent definition for what exactly it is the nationalists think they're protecting or trying to retvrn to by deporting a few hundred thousand hb1 holders from a workforce of 150M+
You would think every Asian country was extremely racist...hyper racist...if you think any of these ideas kicked around on here are racist, which is what you seem to be implying. Are they racist for engaging in self-preservation? Or trying to keep their culture intact and look out for their people first and foremost?

Neither you, nor your offspring, would ever be considered real citizens of those countries if you were to move there for good. You would always be outsiders...and inferior outcasts, in the eyes of many.

Why is it only white people who commit some mortal sin by not wanting to become less and less and less white of a society over time? Any other group of people is "brave" and "strong" for wanting to do the same. Only whites are hold to this crazy standard. My 100% Asian wife acknowledges this and thinks it's crazy.
I'll ask again, what is white society exactly? at what point specifically does a white society cease to be one?
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By cheap, I mainly mean very poorly made. If it's a brand, much of what you think you are buying is a knockoff. Chinese stealing American IP and selling inferior products to morons. LOL at some clown using it as an example
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The problem is the H1B is not utilized for the top 0.1%. Canada lifted the country caps 9 years ago. Now, their 20-29 demographic has 10% excess males.


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Texaggie7nine said:

Nanomachines son said:

Texaggie7nine said:

I support Vivek and Elon now more than Trump


You never supported Trump. All you have ever cared about is consuming more cheap product.
Everyone wants lower priced products. It's why Amazon beat everyone. Lower priced products means higher standard of living for everyone.
Keep your rifle by your side
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DannyDuberstein said:

So many of these H1-Bs absolutely suck at their job. Give me 1 competent American IT guy over 10 of these clowns

Back in 2007, I had to deploy my software in a 2am call. No video calls then. There was an Indian guy working for TCS (an Indian company) as contractor positioned in Ohio who confesses to me at 2am that he had never ever seen an admin console before and he wanted me to give him "step by step instructions" of what to click. WTF. I couldn't even see what he was doing as there was no video. If the code wasn't deployed, I would get into trouble, not that loser who called him a "WebSphere Administrator".
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Old McDonald said:

Muktheduck said:

You've almost got it figured out, if only you could drop the hatred for white civilization
what is white civilization exactly? at what point specifically does a white civilization cease to be one?

for all the kvetching about foreigners being a threat to american civilization/culture, i've yet to see a coherent definition for what exactly it is the nationalists think they're protecting or trying to retvrn to by deporting a few hundred thousand hb1 holders from a workforce of 150M+
This isn't some clever gotcha, it's a tired old racist trope that is only ever applied to one group of people. The more dedicated leftists were extending the question all the way to genetics a decade ago (what *is* a white person? Can you define one?)

Go live in India for awhile. Then China. Then Colombia or Egypt or Iran. Maybe after all that you can cobble together a clearer picture of what "white civilization" is.

American wages are obviously the primary thing being protected. Companies that rely on American infrastructure and American consumers should also have to rely on American employees. They shouldn't get the benefits of first world consumerism in their revenue column whilst also getting the benefits of third world indentured servitude in their expense column.
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VerdeAg said:

DannyDuberstein said:

So many of these H1-Bs absolutely suck at their job. Give me 1 competent American IT guy over 10 of these clowns
Ever notice how most financial institutions (USAA being the big one) have outsourced their phone centers, support to India. Its absolutely infuriating that these jobs could easily be done by Americans who can actually speak english

How else will the board be able to afford the $20 Million bonus for the CEO? After all, the CEO needs to be compensated adequately and good senior executive talent is very scarce. If he isn't paid as much, he may just leave.

So it makes total sense to layoff Americans who used to man the call centers and move all those jobs to India if if some people cannot speak English. Americans need to be more tolerant and less xenophobic.

Don't be a racist.
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Before setting work permit quantities and categories the First Thing that should be done is:

CLOSE THE ****ING UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICES and THE BORDER!
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What do unemployment offices have to do with any of this?
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El Gallo Blanco said:

Old McDonald said:

Muktheduck said:

You've almost got it figured out, if only you could drop the hatred for white civilization
what is white civilization exactly? at what point specifically does a white civilization cease to be one?

for all the kvetching about foreigners being a threat to american civilization/culture, i've yet to see a coherent definition for what exactly it is the nationalists think they're protecting or trying to retvrn to by deporting a few hundred thousand hb1 holders from a workforce of 150M+
You would think every Asian country was extremely racist...hyper racist...if you think any of these ideas kicked around on here are racist, which is what you seem to be implying. Are they racist for engaging in self-preservation? Or trying to keep their culture intact and look out for their people first and foremost?

Neither you, nor your offspring, would ever be considered real citizens of those countries if you were to move there for good. You would always be outsiders...and inferior outcasts, in the eyes of many.

Why is it only white people who commit some mortal sin by not wanting to become less and less and less white of a society over time? Any other group of people is "brave" and "strong" for wanting to do the same. Only whites are hold to this crazy standard. My 100% Asian wife acknowledges this and thinks it's crazy.


No offense, but isn't marrying someone not white (like your wife) helping the white society to be less white?
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Lol at the 'conservatives' who are constantly complaining about low work ethic, entitlement attitudes, "work life balance", and participations trophies now getting mad about an Indian dude saying the same.


But, reality is that the white non-Hispanic birth rate is well below the replacement rate (same is true for all Americans). By the 2040s-2050s we will begin a decline that will decimate the economy.

Which means some simple facts exist.

1. We need millions of immigrants to come here in order to continue growing the economy at a pace that will sustain the American standard of living and military world dominance.

2. We need these to be educated productive ppl that will contribute to job creation and consumption.

Importing talent is one of the best ideas we have, and these guys all talked about this during the campaign quite a bit. It should be no surprise.

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Sophon7 said:

Lol at the 'conservatives' who are constantly complaining about low work ethic, entitlement attitudes, "work life balance", and participations trophies now getting mad about an Indian dude saying the same.


But, reality is that the white non-Hispanic birth rate is well below the replacement rate (same is true for all Americans). By the 2040s-2050s we will begin a decline that will decimate the economy.

Which means some simple facts exist.

1. We need millions of immigrants to come here in order to continue growing the economy at a pace that will sustain the American standard of living and military world dominance.

2. We need these to be educated productive ppl that will contribute to job creation and consumption.

Importing talent is one of the best ideas we have, and these guys all talked about this during the campaign quite a bit. It should be no surprise.




I thought Elon said he was only talking about 10,000 to 15,000 engineers with 160+ IQ, and not cooks in Key West, accountants in Chicago, preschool teachers in rural midwestern towns, or pickle ball directors in Wichita?
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Sophon7 said:

Lol at the 'conservatives' who are constantly complaining about low work ethic, entitlement attitudes, "work life balance", and participations trophies now getting mad about an Indian dude saying the same.


But, reality is that the white non-Hispanic birth rate is well below the replacement rate (same is true for all Americans). By the 2040s-2050s we will begin a decline that will decimate the economy.

Which means some simple facts exist.

1. We need millions of immigrants to come here in order to continue growing the economy at a pace that will sustain the American standard of living and military world dominance.

2. We need these to be educated productive ppl that will contribute to job creation and consumption.

Importing talent is one of the best ideas we have, and these guys all talked about this during the campaign quite a bit. It should be no surprise.


do you care to respond to the dire need for elite 7-11 cashiers or plumbers that must be imported overseas because Americans "cant do it" (for 1/10th of the cost)?

how do elite, genius 7-11 cashiers help continue growing the economy, improve our standard of living, and military world dominance exactly, mensa?

If we were importing elite-genius level plumbers from overseas, you'd at least they would come from Italy and have a charming catch-phrase.
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The level of idiocy on this board among the "let's open the flood gates for immigrants! We cannot survive without them" is mind-bogging.

Typical short-term thinking similar to what exists in all American corporations these days ignoring the long-term.
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Old interview, but Rollins clearly wants to expand "highly skilled" immigrant workers. I view her more of Koch-style Republican.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/brooke-rollins-time-for-conservatives-to-do-the-right-thing/
Quote:

People bundle a lot into these proposals. We've touched on the idea of a guest worker program for unskilled labor, but on the other side of the skills spectrum, do you see us expanding the number of visas for highly skilled workers?

Yes. That, I think, is the easy solution. I don't know of anyone who is against thatRepublicans, Democrats, educated, not-educated, blue collar, white collar.
 
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