Should be. No idea what's going on with this website.

Are the mental giants who are not tired of winning still ready for DOGE? I've said all along Elon is not a good guy. Vivek is a snake oil salesman.

Three time Trump voter here.

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You're working under the same flawed assumption that only foreign workers can do the work, and that this twisted model is sustainable

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No, I am saying that we should want the best and brightest but we also need major reforms. A big problem is Universities. Another is the H1 lottery. Another is we are ignoring the fact that India and China make up most of the visas. Another is consulting firms that abuse the crap out of the system. One thing Vivek doesn't mention is Asians have become very adept at gaming the system. There are some incredibly talented people from Asia but it's gotten way out of balance.

I'd rather we not overreact but that may be inevitable. Another issue btw is we have made it increasingly difficult for white males to get into good engineering schools. Just a lot of issues have been ignored for too long.

Here is Elon Musk calling Americans r*tarded

That pretty much sums it up.

This was eye-opening.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 27, 2024

Elon upset the internet called him out for favoring foreigners over Americans. I thought he was American First?

Translation: I’m about to shadowban everyone who disagrees with me on immigration pic.twitter.com/W79OAg6cQH

— Ray (@raymo_g) December 27, 2024

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Trump tells @theallinpod that if you graduate from a US college, you should automatically get a green card with your diploma.

"We need brilliant people"

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/PKDklsBG0l

— Max Meyer (@mualphaxi) June 20, 2024

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Heck no!!!

Wow. Just… wow. The sudden swing of Trump's camp to emphasizing (and maybe even prioritizing?) non-citizen labor is a bit unnerving.

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Elon upset the internet called him out for favoring foreigners over Americans. I thought he was American First?

Translation: I’m about to shadowban everyone who disagrees with me on immigration pic.twitter.com/W79OAg6cQH

— Ray (@raymo_g) December 27, 2024

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Just a reminder that Indian people have networks of verified users online that mass report and block people to diminish their reach, especially on X.

They work in tandem with the Indian nationalist workers inside X who are explicitly working to push Indian influence for their own ethnic benefit and expansion.

If you piss off Elon's pet Indians, you are effectively banned.

Free speech, huh?

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Yep, see Barry Stanton. They exploit the algorithm with mass reporting to automatically ban anyone who disagrees with them even if they person has done nothing wrong.

Since it's impossible to compete with 1.4 billion Indians in situations like this, you're basically SOL with that account.

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We already have that; O-1 Visa

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O-1's are very rare and really only for people with PhDs, multiple patents, and that have done a lot of speaking engagements. They are also very random. I've seen people denied for O-1 that seemed perfect and people get them that I scratch my head.

As to the larger thread you seem to want it both ways. Do you want to greatly limit H-1s or do you want to prevent offshoring? Can't have both, they work in opposition to each other.

I think there is rampant abuse in the H-1 system but overall it's a good concept. It needs to be much more limited and they need to crack down hard on the consulting firms like Tata and Cognizant that abuse the hell out of it. It should be merit based and not a lottery (that has never made sense to me). It needs to be more balanced as we have far too many from India and China as well as a few other countries. Those countries produce some amazing talent but they need to be severely restricted.

There are other abuses. For instance my company has stopped recruiting from a Top 20 University because they have some great candidates but almost all of them can't get an Export License. Why? They are overwhelmingly Chinese citizens on visa. The real abuses happen at the Grad school level btw, the amount of grad school folks who are on visa is just insane in technical areas. The schools want them so they can charge full tuition and OOS for public schools and they gladly pay it.

Shutting it off entirely is not a rational response. Major reform is. This is a very different problem than illegal immigration. Still a very real problem but it needs to be addressed in a different way. We want the Elon Musk's and Sundar Pachai's and Lisa Su's and Satya Nadella's and Jensen Huang's to come here. None were born in the US and they lead Tesla, Google, AMD, Microsoft, and Nvidia just for starters. Now you could argue that we don't want all tech companies led by immigrants as well but we certainly want that level of talent here.

Also, in my experience in technical recruiting for 30 years I have seen very, very few instances where a company is paying less for talent because of H-1's. It absolutely happens but it is typically with the big consulting firms as mentioned before. Some of the packages I regularly pay out to H-1s are for massive amounts, especially in Silicon Valley.

Wow... some of the flat out racism on this board today is over the top.

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If Indian culture creates India, I want it nowhere near America.

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Already happening - just go take a look at McKinney now. Little India up there.

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No.... Western McKinney and Frisco look like New Dehli now. Prosper and Celina too. They all love to drive around in their teslas with their "student driver" stickers on them. They need to go back to their countries.

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Agreed. Here's hoping Trump removes all the immigrants and even "citizens" who were dumped on us dishonestly with Hart-Cellers.

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No.... Western McKinney and Frisco look like New Dehli now. Prosper and Celina too. They all love to drive around in their teslas with their "student driver" stickers on them. They need to go back to their countries.

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I mostly see Hindi moms racing around in their Honda mini vans. Don't get in their way. They'll run you over...

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Wow... some of the flat out racism on this board today is over the top.

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Sorry, I want America to look like where I grew up in the 90s. It's one thing for Hispanics, Italians, Irish, Germans, Spanish, Norwegians, and Koreans to come here. Many are Christians and share similar beliefs to what this country was founded on. The vast majority of Indians are either Muslim, or Hindu. That is like oil and water to the American Ideal.

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The America you and I saw in the 90s was different than the one that was seen in the 60s... and the 30s... and the 1800s. The same thing y ou are saying was said when those dirty Catholic Irish were emigrating around the early 1900s. This is nothing new.

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We also believe in meritocracy, dealing in good faith, and do not like Nepotism in our culture. They are all about nepotism, cheating, lying (saw it first hand at A&M), and doing whatever it takes to get ahead.

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Yeah, that has never been a thing in the US..

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Stymied said:

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Wow... some of the flat out racism on this board today is over the top.

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Sorry, I want America to look like where I grew up in the 90s. It's one thing for Hispanics, Italians, Irish, Germans, Spanish, Norwegians, and Koreans to come here. Many are Christians and share similar beliefs to what this country was founded on. The vast majority of Indians are either Muslim, or Hindu. That is like oil and water to the American Ideal.

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The America you and I saw in the 90s was different than the one that was seen in the 60s... and the 30s... and the 1800s. The same thing y ou are saying was said when those dirty Catholic Irish were emigrating around the early 1900s. This is nothing new.

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We also believe in meritocracy, dealing in good faith, and do not like Nepotism in our culture. They are all about nepotism, cheating, lying (saw it first hand at A&M), and doing whatever it takes to get ahead.

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Yeah, that has never been a thing in the US..

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We had a 40 year immigration moratorium to assimilate them because they were forming ethnic mafias for political power. Not to mention the crime.

And yeah, Indians are worse.

Those dirty northern europeans!

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Those dirty northern europeans!

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It has more to do with Catholic ethnics, but you don't seem to have a full grasp on history.

Oh, please school me! Tell me about how all of those white catholics are not part of the great white culture you have been ranting about today!

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Wow... some of the flat out racism on this board today is over the top.

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All it took was be exposed to Indians to make people dislike them, imagine that.

It's interesting to say the least that the H1-B visa concept is somehow being twisted into some sort of anti-Indian thing.

If we were really sourcing our people based on talent, which is what Elon has said, they wouldnt 70-80% be from India.

Some of the best engineers work in Europe, Japan, and Southeast Asia. Why only India?

It's not because they are the best, at all.

No, I'll not my waste my time on a lecture. It would be likely to fall on deaf ears anyhow.

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We had a 40 year immigration moratorium to assimilate them because they were forming ethnic mafias for political power. Not to mention the crime.

And yeah, Indians are worse.

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If you live in the Houston area, possibly you've heard this...

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A new search warrant alleges Fort Bend County Judge KP George knew that County Commissioner Precinct 3 candidate Taral Patel was using fake social media accounts.

Patel worked on George's campaign and as his chief of staff. Recently, Patel was indicted on multiple misdemeanor and felony charges.

Prosecutors say Patel impersonated others, using aliases to attack his opponents and post racist comments under his own social media accounts. Patel used those comments in a campaign press release last year as evidence he faced xenophobic attacks on social media, court records allege.

Now, a search warrant alleges that in two separate instances, George did "solicit, encourage, direct, aid, or attempt to aid Taral Vipul Patel to misrepresent his (Patel's) identity in a campaign communication with intent to injure a candidate or influence the result of an election."

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Those in Sugarstan know...

Disappointed.... I was hoping you were going to tell me how all of the Irish, Italian (and French, and others...) fit into the wonderful white culture argument you have made.

I guess this white English/Irish Catholic just can't handle the logic! Sad...

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Stymied said:

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Sorry, I want America to look like where I grew up in the 90s. It's one thing for Hispanics, Italians, Irish, Germans, Spanish, Norwegians, and Koreans to come here. Many are Christians and share similar beliefs to what this country was founded on. The vast majority of Indians are either Muslim, or Hindu. That is like oil and water to the American Ideal.

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The America you and I saw in the 90s was different than the one that was seen in the 60s... and the 30s... and the 1800s. The same thing y ou are saying was said when those dirty Catholic Irish were emigrating around the early 1900s. This is nothing new.

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We also believe in meritocracy, dealing in good faith, and do not like Nepotism in our culture. They are all about nepotism, cheating, lying (saw it first hand at A&M), and doing whatever it takes to get ahead.

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Yeah, that has never been a thing in the US..

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Sorry but America was founded as a Christian nation with Christian (not Judeo-Christian) values. We can tolerate, but not celebrate, other religions. Democracy only functions in homogeneous societies that believe in freedom and the pursuit of happiness, not slaving away away at Meta or JPMorgan. We should not be accepting any "cream of the crop" foreign labor unless they believe Jesus is mankind's Lord and savior.

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Disappointed.... I was hoping you were going to tell me how all of the Irish, Italian (and French, and others...) fit into the wonderful white culture argument you have made.

I guess this white English/Irish Catholic just can't handle the logic! Sad...

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Hey Stymied, just curious why you don't move to India if you think living in a majority white country is so bad? Notice how you don't ever see anyone clamoring to get into any other nations except those in Western Europe, North America, and Australia.

Also, go to Google Maps, put on a blindfold, click street view on any place in the Indian subcontinent, and tell me what you see.You'll likely see piles of trash and cows walking around in the city. Do you want this country to become an open-air toilet/landfill like there? No thanks. We have dirty enough cities here already.

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Sorry but America was founded as a Christian nation with Christian (not Judeo-Christian) values. We can tolerate, but not celebrate, other religions. Democracy only functions in homogeneous societies that believe in freedom and the pursuit of happiness, not slaving away away at Meta or JPMorgan. We should not be accepting any "cream of the crop" foreign labor unless they believe Jesus is mankind's Lord and savior.

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Says who? Certainly flys in the face of the entire cultural melting pot argument that most would argue has made the USA unique. We are arguably one of the best examples of a democracy (though really a representative republic) and we have been far from a homogenous society when compared to most others in the world.

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We had a 40 year immigration moratorium to assimilate them because they were forming ethnic mafias for political power. Not to mention the crime.

And yeah, Indians are worse.

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If you live in the Houston area, possibly you've heard this...

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A new search warrant alleges Fort Bend County Judge KP George knew that County Commissioner Precinct 3 candidate Taral Patel was using fake social media accounts.

Patel worked on George's campaign and as his chief of staff. Recently, Patel was indicted on multiple misdemeanor and felony charges.

Prosecutors say Patel impersonated others, using aliases to attack his opponents and post racist comments under his own social media accounts. Patel used those comments in a campaign press release last year as evidence he faced xenophobic attacks on social media, court records allege.

Now, a search warrant alleges that in two separate instances, George did "solicit, encourage, direct, aid, or attempt to aid Taral Vipul Patel to misrepresent his (Patel's) identity in a campaign communication with intent to injure a candidate or influence the result of an election."

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Those in Sugarstan know...

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It was so expected I was literally laughing when I saw he got arrested for a scam.

Today was the day we found out who is getting rich by screwing over the American worker

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) December 27, 2024

Yep