Sophon7 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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Sophon7 said:

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Another thing hurting Americans is wage expectations. I have guys in South America, Egypt, and Eastern Europe working for $40k/yr in jobs that it would take 70-110k to get an American.

And, they work harder and smarter, expect little to no benefits, and will appreciate bonuses and raises far more

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So we should all just work for pennies so we can prevent being outsourced so your company can increase stock prices by 5%

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Dying empire mentality. Getting out-competed. What killed Europe. Maybe an inevitable outcome of widespread wealth over time

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One American is equal to 20 foreigners.

Keyno said:

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American workers can leave a company. Imported H1B workers can't. Tech wants indentured servants, not "high-skilled" workers. https://t.co/MRQc0zLjaT

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) December 26, 2024

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This is a trash take. Infinity indians will work for cheap. They dont want to leave

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Additionally it is now easier for them to switch companies than whites because of the scams.

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I've worked for 2 Indian owned companies.

I say f them. It's a corrupted culture to the core that will do nothing but screw anyone over that is not in their group or caste. I've seen high level VPs treat white and Indian Americans like absolute garbage and be shocked when they are called out on it. One of the biggest reason that Indians are so "successful" in the US is because their homeland is so corrupt only the elite castes can get here.

I'm fine with H1-B visas, but I want strict limits on quotas by countries. It's one of the biggest reasons I can't wrap my head around supporting Vivek.

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After that long qualifier, why are you "fine with H1-B"? Why not support American jobs for Americans?

Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

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Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

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Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

It's so funny he's calling Americans lazy here when they work more than any other people in the world. They have less vacations than any other people in the world. Their is a constant stress in the air of "work" at all times.

And yes, it's the richest country in the world with… https://t.co/cLO6uqsuRw

— LindyMan (@PaulSkallas) December 26, 2024

Yep

Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

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Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Oh look an "above it all" libertarian is here. I was wondering when theyd show up

VerdeAg said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

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Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

So if hypothetically companies derived the most value from foreigners compared to citizens of the USA they should fire all citizens

Keyno said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

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Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Oh look an "above it all" libertarian is here. I was wondering when theyd show up

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Sorry to keep the ~5 of you from having your gripe session without another point of view in the thread.

RebelE Infantry said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

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Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Who would have thought that conservatives would explicitly advocate for the interests of their countrymen as citizens of a Nation rather than residents in a global economic zone? Wild stuff indeed!

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LOL this

Stymied said:

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VerdeAg said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

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Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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Do you understand that foreign indians will work for cheap? Youre premise seems to favor importing infinity foreign indians because of the economy or something

VerdeAg said:

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So if hypothetically companies derived the most value from foreigners compared to citizens of the USA they should fire all citizens

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Perhaps... That's practically happened in industries that outsourced manufacturing to SE Asia. This isn't new, it's just now hitting information workers rather than the blue collar manufacturing workers.

Practically, I don't think that will happen as information work will find a middle ground.

Stymied said:

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VerdeAg said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

---

Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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The theoretical purpose for government is to provide for conditions in the nation conducive to the flourishing of its citizens. Conservatives aren't opposed to free enterprise, not hardly. What we ARE opposed to is free market qua free market. The conservative does not see the free market as an end unto itself but rather a means to the end of the wellbeing of heritage Americans.

Stymied said:

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Keyno said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

---

Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Oh look an "above it all" libertarian is here. I was wondering when theyd show up

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Sorry to keep the ~5 of you from having your gripe session without another point of view in the thread.

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No dude tell me about how foreign labor is conservative. Ive never heard that one

gbaby23 said:

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Not just the tech industry. They are all over the trucking industry. What reason is there to import foreign truck drivers other than to undercut wages?

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This deserves a blue star.

The trucking giants and their lobbyists always cry about a driver shortage. They always have the media put out a "whoa is me" piece about not having enough drivers.

Truth - there is no truck driver shortage. There is a shortage of cheap, damn near slave labor, to haul freight. Trucking is one of the most dangerous jobs out there; especially during winter time. Pair this dangerous industry with immigrants who barely understand the language, much less the laws, and it is a recipe for disaster.

Some trucking companies grind these immigrants into the ground through forced dispatch; which is illegal. Even if the immigrants understand they cannot be force dispatched, there is heavy retribution from dispatch or sales, which sidelines them from receiving any further loads. It basically starves a driver out of the truck so the company can replace them with the next sucker in line.

Trucking as an independent driver, where one is managing their own truck, clocks, logs, fuel, truck payments, truck/load insurance, maintenance, load board, permits, taxes, and other business operations, is the only way to go. And these days, one needs to be the driver equivalent of a Six Sigma Black belt to run lean, fast, and efficient enough to make mid 6 figures. It can be done but, it is a hustle on a level most Americans are not accustomed.

Nanomachines son said:

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Stymied said:

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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I only care about Americans. The only foreigners I want are those that qualify for O-1 visas. There is no need for H1-Bs at all.

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OK. Are you going to keep companies from moving design centers outside the US? That's the other way this happens.

BTW, I don't disagree that H-1B visas are misused and should be heavily reformed. They are a big area of abuse by US companies.

Stymied said:

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VerdeAg said:

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So if hypothetically companies derived the most value from foreigners compared to citizens of the USA they should fire all citizens

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Perhaps... That's practically happened in industries that outsourced manufacturing to SE Asia. This isn't new, it's just now hitting information workers rather than the blue collar manufacturing workers.

Practically, I don't think that will happen as information work will find a middle ground.

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You make an important point here. The H1B issue is to the middle class what manufacturing offshoring and illegal immigrant manual labor are to the working class.

Stymied said:

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VerdeAg said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

---

Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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A government's FIRST responsibility is to their citizens.

If a government imports foreign workers by the millions to depress wages and take jobs from citizens then the government is doing a ****ty job.

You Libertarians forget that even Milton Freidman acknowledged that open and totally free international markets were a pupedream because culture, borders, and governments have to exist.

The best result in a global economy is a healthy balance between the government allowing and encouraging fre markets and stabilizing and creating an economy in their nation in which social unrest is due to economic hardship is minimal.

RebelE Infantry said:

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Stymied said:

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VerdeAg said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

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This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

---

Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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The theoretical purpose for government is to provide for conditions in the nation conducive to the flourishing of its citizens. Conservatives aren't opposed to free enterprise, not hardly. What we ARE opposed to is free market qua free market. The conservative does not see the free market as an end unto itself but rather a means to the end of the wellbeing of heritage Americans.

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This was the way we ran our country until the 80s. We need to get over this weird concept that we need unlimited GDP growth at the expense of the national populace

At least the illegals are Catholic and assimilate for the most part

VerdeAg said:

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At least the illegals are Catholic and assimilate for the most part

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They are becoming less and less Catholic and I'd disagree that assimilate very well at all.

Even so, as one of the resident Catholic extremists, I firmly maintain the position of "send them all back. Every last one of them."

VerdeAg said:

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At least the illegals are Catholic and assimilate for the most part

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Yea no

Keyno said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Stymied said:

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VerdeAg said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

---

This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

---

Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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The theoretical purpose for government is to provide for conditions in the nation conducive to the flourishing of its citizens. Conservatives aren't opposed to free enterprise, not hardly. What we ARE opposed to is free market qua free market. The conservative does not see the free market as an end unto itself but rather a means to the end of the wellbeing of heritage Americans.

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This was the way we ran our country until the 80s. We need to get over this weird concept that we need unlimited GDP growth at the expense of the national populace

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Behold the fruits of the defeat of the paleo conservatism of Buchanan et al.

But now we are back and we are going to win.

I'm not advocating for them at all. That being said I'll take 1k Mexican illegals over 100 Indian h-1B visas

Ags4DaWin said:

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Stymied said:

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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A government's FIRST responsibility is to their citizens.

If a government imports foreign workers by the millions to depress wages and take jobs from citizens then the government is doing a ****ty job.

You Libertarians forget that even Mikton Freidman acknowledged that open and totally free international markets were a pupedream because culture, borders, and governments have to exist.

The best result in a global economy is a healthy balance between the government allowing and encouraging fre markets and stabilizing and creating an economy in their nation in which social unrest is due to economic hardship is minimal.

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Tell me how the government should choose between what citizens to favor?

Should they favor the tech workers?

Should they favor shareholders who benefit from optimizing and driving shareholder value?

Should they favor customers who benefit from products that they want from undistorted markets?

RebelE Infantry said:

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Keyno said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Stymied said:

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VerdeAg said:

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Stymied said:

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Muktheduck said:

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Keyno said:

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gbaby23 said:

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VerdeAg said:

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The funny thing is everybody against Vivek,Elon right now are asking if Indian talent is so great why dont they use that talent in India; no responses

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Not just that, why don't Russia or China import millions of Indians? Don't they want to win the tech war?

Only Westerners are stupid enough to import indians for cheap labor.

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Self styled "conservatives" have been brainwashed for 30 years into thinking "free market is conservative".

Russians and Chinese do not think this

---

This is an underappreciated fact

There is scarcely anything more progressive than the free market. Putting the almighty dollar at the top of your value hierarchy will inherently dismantle traditional values

---

Wow... The fact that anyone thinks the free market is progressive (i.e. the side that believes in socialism), is flat out looney.

This thread is pretty comical to read. The self described conservatives are looking to lock down the border and put restrictions on who and how companies can hire tech talent. I think a pursuit of tech worker unions is probably the next line of thinking...

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Why even hire americans with this logic, every industry should import immigrants who can do the job for pennies on the dollar.

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Didn't say that. Companies should hire the employees the provide the most value for the dollar. That's what the free market incentivizes.

It appears many of you on this thread don't want that. I don't disagree that outsourced or imported talent often doesn't provide the best value for the dollar. However, the concept that the government should start making policy to distort the value for pay trade off is not a conservative position. It's a pretty left wing one that leads to government controlled markets, unions (and the inefficiency that comes with them), and all of the other great things that socialism has.

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The theoretical purpose for government is to provide for conditions in the nation conducive to the flourishing of its citizens. Conservatives aren't opposed to free enterprise, not hardly. What we ARE opposed to is free market qua free market. The conservative does not see the free market as an end unto itself but rather a means to the end of the wellbeing of heritage Americans.

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This was the way we ran our country until the 80s. We need to get over this weird concept that we need unlimited GDP growth at the expense of the national populace

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Behold the fruits of the defeat of the paleo conservatism of Buchanan et al.

But now we are back and we are going to win.

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We are so back. Trump is gonna do ONLY LEGAL immigration. (No wall tho)

VerdeAg said:

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I'm not advocating for them at all. That being said I'll take 1k Mexican illegals over 100 Indian h-1B visas

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Why not take your own side and say no immigrants for awhile

I'm 100% on that train. We don't need legal or illegal for at least a decade if not more

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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I've worked for 2 Indian owned companies.

I say f them. It's a corrupted culture to the core that will do nothing but screw anyone over that is not in their group or caste. I've seen high level VPs treat white and Indian Americans like absolute garbage and be shocked when they are called out on it. One of the biggest reason that Indians are so "successful" in the US is because their homeland is so corrupt only the elite castes can get here.

I'm fine with H1-B visas, but I want strict limits on quotas by countries. It's one of the biggest reasons I can't wrap my head around supporting Vivek.

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After that long qualifier, why are you "fine with H1-B"? Why not support American jobs for Americans?

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I like the idea of immigration being a part of the American culture and attracting highly qualified immigrants for jobs. I don't want them increased and I want to also used in a way to bring in an immigrant population that does not impact the current cultural demographics.

I'd be fine halting it for 20 years and then restarting it.

If Indian Americans make up 2% of the US demographic then they should only get 2% of the qualified H1-Bs.

It's penance for centuries of colonization so I'm told

fightingfarmer09 said:

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Keyno said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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I've worked for 2 Indian owned companies.

I say f them. It's a corrupted culture to the core that will do nothing but screw anyone over that is not in their group or caste. I've seen high level VPs treat white and Indian Americans like absolute garbage and be shocked when they are called out on it. One of the biggest reason that Indians are so "successful" in the US is because their homeland is so corrupt only the elite castes can get here.

I'm fine with H1-B visas, but I want strict limits on quotas by countries. It's one of the biggest reasons I can't wrap my head around supporting Vivek.

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After that long qualifier, why are you "fine with H1-B"? Why not support American jobs for Americans?

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I like the idea of immigration being a part of the American culture and attracting highly qualified immigrants for jobs. I don't want them increased and I want to also used in a way to bring in an immigrant population that does not impact the current cultural demographics.

I'd be fine halting it for 20 years and then restarting it.

If Indian Americans make up 2% of the US demographic then they should only get 2% of the qualified H1-Bs.

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Immigration drives down wages and increases home ownership costs. I'm not sure why you want to import foreigners but I imagine its an idealistic thing you learned in school. Either way, its bad for Americans