This is a fair assessment. We need the Navy to start off by not shooting down Navy planes.

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You think Russia is pissed over "NATO expansion" now? Just wait and see how many nuclear threats they make if the US suddenly had bases in Greenland, lol.

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The United States has one military base in Greenland, Pituffik Space Base

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Rossticus said:

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You think Russia is pissed over "NATO expansion" now? Just wait and see how many nuclear threats they make if the US suddenly had bases in Greenland, lol.

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The United States has one military base in Greenland, Pituffik Space Base

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Don't we still have bases in Iceland? My first husband's Dad was AF and stationed there in the 60s.

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BTKAG97 said:

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Rossticus said:

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You think Russia is pissed over "NATO expansion" now? Just wait and see how many nuclear threats they make if the US suddenly had bases in Greenland, lol.

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The United States has one military base in Greenland, Pituffik Space Base

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Don't we still have bases in Iceland? My first husband's Dad was AF and stationed there in the 60s.

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Depending on which article you read, there is Keflavik Naval Air Station or Keflavik Air Base. I am pretty sure we turned Keflavik NAS over to Iceland for ownership, but the US Navy still "operates" the base.

we already significantly have defensive control of greenland by treaty
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/den001.asp

full control makes sense

I see no point in spending money. They should just give it to us.

The Danes have been down this road before and will not just roll over for us.

aggiehawg said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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Rossticus said:

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You think Russia is pissed over "NATO expansion" now? Just wait and see how many nuclear threats they make if the US suddenly had bases in Greenland, lol.

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The United States has one military base in Greenland, Pituffik Space Base

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Don't we still have bases in Iceland? My first husband's Dad was AF and stationed there in the 60s.

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Thule Greenland. My dad was stationed there for a year.

For discussion of Greenland go to 8 minute mark.

Side note. Most people have forgotten that we have done this with Denmark before. In 1917 the US bought what is now the US Virgin Islands from Denmark for $25 million.

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aggiehawg said:

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BTKAG97 said:

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Rossticus said:

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You think Russia is pissed over "NATO expansion" now? Just wait and see how many nuclear threats they make if the US suddenly had bases in Greenland, lol.

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The United States has one military base in Greenland, Pituffik Space Base

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Don't we still have bases in Iceland? My first husband's Dad was AF and stationed there in the 60s.

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Thule Greenland. My dad was stationed there for a year.

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Same thing, it was renamed to pituffik a couple years ago.

Someone in the industry mentioned to me this is most likely about putting a LNG terminal in Greenland. Pipe the gas there, makes for much shorter and cheaper trips across the North Sea.


My prediction: Trump has a deal in place for said pipeline before he leaves in 2031.

Would love that, but wouldn't we first have to fix the big LNG pipelines up in the northeast of the US, and of course then get a bunch of Newfoundland/Labrador Indian tribes to approve it? I mean, that long an undersea pipeline would really be something else if not running across all that land, something possibly a little over 2,000-2500 miles if they did that.

I noticed UA is flying there next year out of Newark (~5 hour flight).

Greenland PM: We want to be independent from Denmark.

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Greenland's prime minister, Mute Egede, has renewed calls for independence from Denmark after US President-elect Donald Trump expressed interest in purchasing the Arctic island.

In his New Year's address, Egede stressed the need to "remove the obstacles to cooperation which we can describe as the shackles of the colonial era and move on," signaling a potential referendum on independence.

"Our cooperation with other countries and our trade relations cannot continue to take place solely through Denmark,"he said. "Work has already begun on creating the framework for Greenland as an independent state."

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ETA a better source, with reference to his pre-Xmas comment that Greenland is not for sale also.

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Oh, and Greenland is back on the table!

Donald Trump says it is an “absolute necessity” for the United States to annex Greenland.

“For purposes of National Security and Freedom throughout the World, the United States of America feels that the ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity.” pic.twitter.com/rp9KObWaX7

— MeidasTouch (@MeidasTouch) December 23, 2024

Strategically, it makes sense. But how do we make this happen?

Interesting trades? Maybe Puerto Rico and Maine? Any proposals?

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I worked a summer in Thule, Greenland when in the military. Rarely have I been so miserable, lol. It's like the surface of a distant planet with whale bones everywhere.

I was basically Al Pacino in Insomnia by the end.

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Stupid question - why 2040? Why not now?

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Because all of the AGW predictions of the past decades have been way off. "But believe us this time!"

I don't buy the "Greenland is the new Panama" bit. What are they going to do; set up a toll booth on the ice and charge for boats to follow their ice breakers? As if Russia and the US wouldn't be able to cut their own lanes? And so what if ships skirt a bit wide to stay in international waters. Sure it's a strategically beneficial location IF the ice cap melts… but it unless they take after Somalia I don't see the economic play.

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Crazier things have happened ...

LOL, WTAF is Don. junior doing there tomorrow?

This is going to be fun! 😂 pic.twitter.com/OMAoTZuW97

— Sarah Smith (@Defundmedianow) January 6, 2025

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The younger Trump is going for a day trip to shoot video content for podcasting and will not be meeting with any government officials or political figures, according to a person familiar with the plans who was not authorized to speak publicly.

Danish broadcaster DR cited the head of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Mininnguaq Kleist, in reporting that Trump Jr. would be arriving Tuesday for a private visit, and there are no inquiries about a meeting with the Greenland government.

Greenland's prime minister, Mte B. Egede, hasn't commented.

The visit comes after President-elect Donald Trump again made comments about controlling the area in a statement last month as he announced his pick for U.S. ambassador to Denmark. "For purposes of National Security and Freedom throughout the World, the United States of America feels that the ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity," he said in a statement.

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Best place on earth for a podcast recording? LOL again. There aren't even…more than a half dozen locations/buildings I'd think would work for this.

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We need it with a naval base and airfield at minimum. Helps shut down the GIUK gap even more. Great strategic significance.

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And send all the transgender military there to operate it.

Quick question re Greenland as the 51st state, guys. Why are so many on the right so apparently gung-ho about adding a state that would make California look right-wing? I mean, I'm sure the Dems would gladly take the 2 Senate seats and extra House seat they'd get for free, but why are people on the right pushing this?

At this point I don't think anyone (or at least not many) are truly advocating for Greenland to become a state, but instead are generally supportive of the idea of it becoming a part of the U.S. If the issue were to seriously gain traction and people were to consider the details, there would be broad support (at least of those on the right) to make Greenland a territory. I don't think you'd see much support for it to become a full-fledged state for precisely the reasons you point out.

There are only 50K people there. It's…not going to be a state, anytime in our lifetimes.

Danes can't resist black licorice, Gammel Dansk, and Legos.

We should be able to do this on the cheap.

Greenland coming in hot… well, actually, really really cold!!!! pic.twitter.com/IhLKVOfYVM

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) January 7, 2025

How many cars are there even in Nuuk? Sometimes it's even tough to get an uber from the airport in Lubbock.

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Greenland coming in hot… well, actually, really really cold!!!! pic.twitter.com/IhLKVOfYVM

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) January 7, 2025

How many cars are there even in Nuuk? Sometimes it's even tough to get an uber from the airport in Lubbock.

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Why would you fly to Lubbock and miss out on the most scenic drive in the whole state?

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nortex97 said:

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Greenland coming in hot… well, actually, really really cold!!!! pic.twitter.com/IhLKVOfYVM

— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) January 7, 2025

How many cars are there even in Nuuk? Sometimes it's even tough to get an uber from the airport in Lubbock.

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Why would you fly to Lubbock and miss out on the most scenic drive in the whole state?

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Who drives through Big Bend on the way to Lubbock?

We can have navy and af bases there without having it as a US territory. I guess I'm agnostic about having it as a US territory but is it really a priority in terms of spending tax $ on it. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, would like to see some sort of economic case for it .

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We can have navy and af bases there without having it as a US territory. I guess I'm agnostic about having it as a US territory but is it really a priority in terms of spending tax $ on it. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, would like to see some sort of economic case for it .

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The natural resources alone make the economic case.

I'm not familiar with their natural resources , can you summarize said case ?

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I'm not familiar with their natural resources , can you summarize said case ?

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Similar to the Canadian shield, lots of precious and semi-precious metals, rare earth metals, gems, some O&G.

How much $ to get access to said resources and potential value of the resources is a major part of the equation. I'm not doubting it's true but if the case is such a slam dunk it should be relatively easy to put some rough numbers to it.

If it's such a slam dunk why would Denmark be so willing to part with it is another question I have . Maybe to pay for their fair share of NATO defense ?

It's not nuts. Truman tried to buy it.

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How much $ to get access to said resources and potential value of the resources is a major part of the equation. I'm not doubting it's true but if the case is such a slam dunk it should be relatively easy to put some rough numbers to it.

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I would think it is both easier and harder than mining in Canada of northern Alaska. Easier because the accessible areas are going to be close to the coast, so easier to get equipment in and out via ship or barge during the non-ice flow season. Harder because there is less mining infrastructure in place, so more difficult to find qualified mechanics, operators, parts, etc. The challenges with ice/snow, permafrost, etc. should be relatively similar. It is all about the yield on the ore and the difficulty processing it otherwise and that will vary from site to site. Probably more hard rock mining than placer, so it will be more expensive to extract, but probably much richer than current ground available in Alaska and Canada because most of the richest deposits here have already been worked over for a century and a half.

I'm not suggesting it's nuts. Just that we need some sort of context to evaluate if it makes good sense for America/Americans.

Likewise, I am not trying to make the case for it, just stating what is known to be there. I am not sure anybody has explored it enough to make a detailed economic estimate. Most of that stuff is pretty closely held info by the companies that spent the money to look into it.

Sure , but there must be some estimate of what the various reserve bases might be , what the costs might be to extract them , what the margins and therefore value might be , and finally what the American taxpayer has to pay for it. Arm waving is one thing but at least let's see some somewhat educated arm waving .

No doubt that there's some geopolitical and strategic value to it as well. That's certainly a piece of the puzzle but somewhat harder to value . If you can make the case based solely on resources then the geopolitical /strategic value is pure lagniappe.