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He's obviously drawn the line at terrorism and hate crimes. Its actually a pullback from what he suggested he'd do on the campaign trail which was get rid of all of them. He must think those are the worst of the worst on the spectrum.

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"Hate crimes" is about as meaningful a description as "assault weapon." There is no logic here other than left wing provocateurs amongst his demented and evil staff.

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To be more specific, "hate related mass murder" is how they described it, referring to Dylan Roof and Robert Bowers who both shot up multiple parishioners churches/synagogues.

He's had that distinction, by the way, since he put the moratorium on the death penalty awhile back.

But in any event, you're deflecting.

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He might, but it wouldn't change their immigration status. It would just mean that they would be absolved of the crime of crossing illegally (or overstaying a visa, or what have you).

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I am not so sure about that. A pardon can be the same as amnesty, I thought? Like what Carter did with draft dodgers?

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The pardon clause says that the president, "...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States..." Absolving them of the crime of illegal entry doesn't make one a citizen, it simply pardons them of a criminal offense.

The Vietnam amnesty was questionable, in my recollection, because he didn't issue individual pardons, but rather, tried to pardon a class. I suspect that the question of whether a class pardon is valid, in this case, was rendered moot because the DOJ (or DOD, I'm not sure who) would have had to prosecute the draft dodgers within some time window, I would assume.

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Then again, I'm of the opinion that the person sentenced to death row should be on death row for as long as it takes to set up the electric chair. So, the person's time on death row should last all of a few minutes.

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As a Catholic, I don't believe in the death penalty despite my human instinct to want to see these criminals fry. It is a tough issue for me to wrangle with because every human soul should be given the chance for redemption. Because of this, I am okay with a relatively long imprisonment (within reason) before they get the chair. This should be opportunity for them to get right with God. An immediate execution would hinder this, and I don't think God is cool with that. That's my own personal rationalization and not intended to represent Church doctrine.

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Cool for you

Biden claiming he's doing this out of Catholic charity while he lobbies for baby murder and lets SOME murderers stay in death row is hypocrisy of the highest sort

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Biden (or whoever is actually calling the shots) can claim whatever he wants. He's a liar of the highest order and using a religion he clearly doesn't believe in as an excuse for a political gesture is just compounding his sins.

As a Catholic, I am highly offended by these fake Catholics besmirching my faith with their blatant, intentional hypocrisy.

Meet all 37 of your dependents.

🧵 Biden just commuted the death sentences of 37 monsters on federal death row.

Lets meet the criminals who will now be living off YOUR hard earned tax dollars: pic.twitter.com/bEquOemjXn

— Charles Weber (@CWBOCA) December 23, 2024

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It's fine that you believe that. These people were convicted under the laws of the land by people who heard the details of the cases and saw the evidence. Your beliefs have little to do with what the justice system found and adjudicated. Sadly, the democrat party does not believe in the rule of law.

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No doubt. The law is the law and should be carried out. My personal objections can be voiced in my vote as is my right. My personal view is also not a winning issue at this time, and I accept that. It is also a hill that I am not going to die on. I understand completely the desire for the death penalty and do not have issue at all with anyone who is for it.

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He might, but it wouldn't change their immigration status. It would just mean that they would be absolved of the crime of crossing illegally (or overstaying a visa, or what have you).

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I am not so sure about that. A pardon can be the same as amnesty, I thought? Like what Carter did with draft dodgers?

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The pardon clause says that the president, "...shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States..." Absolving them of the crime of illegal entry doesn't make one a citizen, it simply pardons them of a criminal offense.

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Yeah, the President can't use the Pardon Power to grant affirmative rights. He can't use it to grant them legal status and even if he pardons them of criminal offenses, they still lack the civil status to be here and can still be removed.

(Indeed, most folks who are deported are deported under the much easier to enforce civil law scheme and don't go through the criminal process which would be a massive resource drain)

Won't matter. Stupid liberals will still think a pardon means de facto citizenship.

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Jorge Torrez is a serial kiIIer, chiId r*pist, and a kidnapper who r*ped and kiIIed 2 girIs and a United States Navy sailor.

Biden commuted his sentence. pic.twitter.com/XElDjeY1UV

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 23, 2024

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I hope that a relative of the victim is at the prison gate waiting for this piece of **** when he gets out. Shoot him right between the eyes and the piss in his corpse.

The president is pure evil as are the people in his administration. His ****ed up family is a prime example. He has no moral compass and never has. Neither do his kids. His dead son Beau was a scumbag too. Family karma caught up with him. I hope Joe lives a very long, scary life with his dementia. That's one sentence that will not be commuted

The girl in this picture was 12-year-old Lexis Roberts.

Steven Sanders killed her mom in front of her, kidnapped her, and then slit her throat.

Joe Biden just commuted his death sentence. pic.twitter.com/Bhl9kLi100

— AG (@AGHamilton29) December 23, 2024

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So had he allowed them all to escape death row, you'd be ok with it since it would be consistent? Wow.

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I wouldn't be ok with it but at least could understand the principle. This is just despicable.

Libs absolutely disgust me. **** all yall

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Murder has no statute of limitations.

Can states still separately charge, try, and convict these murders and not be considered double-jeopardy?

State convictions cannot be pardoned by the president.

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Maybe, but most states now either don't have the DP or have a moratorium on it. In the '80s, it was something like 38 states and the feds; now it is less than half that, with fewer actually executing people. (I don't have a source, but I'm pretty sure my numbers are at least close).

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He's obviously drawn the line at terrorism and hate crimes. It's actually a pullback from what he suggested he'd do on the campaign trail which was get rid of all of them. He must think those are the worst of the worst on the spectrum.

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"Hate crimes" is about as meaningful a description as "assault weapon." There is no logic here other than left wing provocateurs amongst his demented and evil staff.

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Every crime or murder or rape is a hate crime. I think it's ridiculous that this is even out there. What does it matter whether someone was killed because they were there, targeted because of their skin color or their sexuality. They're all victim as a violence. They should all be treated the same.

People want you to believe that a crime against one type of person is worse than the other when it's not. But then look at the bull**** we're seeing with this Luigi guy.

It's ridiculous.

Dems do not care(and never have cared) about the lives of the Americans they pretend to serve. This is disgusting.

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As of 2024, the death penalty remains legal in 27 U.S. states, although the number has decreased in recent years due to changing public opinion and legal challenges. The states that still retain capital punishment are:
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Arizona

Arkansas

California

Florida

Georgia

Idaho

Indiana

Kansas

Kentucky

Louisiana

Mississippi

Missouri

Montana

Nebraska

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Ohio

Oklahoma

Oregon

Pennsylvania

South Carolina

South Dakota

Tennessee

Texas

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Wyoming

[/ol]It's important to note that while California, Oregon, and Pennsylvania are on this list, they currently have gubernatorial moratoriums (temporary suspensions of executions in a state, typically imposed by the governor) on executions. The U.S. Government and the U.S. Military also retain the death penalty.

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MISINFORMATION: Biden's claim that he was a public defender pushes the limits of credulity. Shortly after Biden graduated from law school in 1968 he volunteered at a legal clinic for a few months. He never represented a client nor did he appear in court. I am very certain that… pic.twitter.com/hwnA4HBkgG

— @amuse (@amuse) December 23, 2024

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Disgusting. The left is pure evil.

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Conservatives desperately need a network of seven-figure assassins that can right the unpunished wrongs. Their docket should grow by 37 today.

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Yeah, saw an article this weekend that he was considering it. The author went out of their way to point out he's a devout Catholic. I wondered if they make that point when he talks about supporting abortion?

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Despite Biden's many mistakes, you're a bit off on this. Biden is personally against abortion but supports the right of each person to make that moral choice for themselves. If you're truly against government dictating to individuals that is the honest thing to do. Hopefully women who become pregnant are encouraged and supported to always choose life unless extreme circumstances dictate otherwise.

You believe that? Why would you believe anything an unabashed liar like that would say?

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Yeah, saw an article this weekend that he was considering it. The author went out of their way to point out he's a devout Catholic. I wondered if they make that point when he talks about supporting abortion?

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Despite Biden's many mistakes, you're a bit off on this. Biden is personally against abortion but supports the right of each person to make that moral choice for themselves. If you're truly against government dictating to individuals that is the honest thing to do. Hopefully women who become pregnant are encouraged and supported to always choose life unless extreme circumstances dictate otherwise.

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I'm against murder, but you make the moral choice for yourself.
I'm against slavery, but you make the moral choice for yourself.
Etc.....

That's why there's no such thing as a pro-choice person. They're pro abortion.

Meet Marvin Gabrion, who was sentenced for the r*pe and m*rder of 19-year-old Rachel Timmerman. He also m*rdered her 11-month-old baby, Shannon.

Biden just took this man off death row. pic.twitter.com/JJjiQE7o4U

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) December 23, 2024

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MISINFORMATION: Biden's claim that he was a public defender pushes the limits of credulity. Shortly after Biden graduated from law school in 1968 he volunteered at a legal clinic for a few months. He never represented a client nor did he appear in court. I am very certain that… pic.twitter.com/hwnA4HBkgG

— @amuse (@amuse) December 23, 2024

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Well all know he was not involved at all in the decision to commute the life sentences. Joe, sign here.

Really don't care.

A government should not be in the business of killing its citizens, no matter how terrible they are.
Too many wrongful executions and too many innocent people executed.
Capital punishment waste of money and proven to be ineffective at stopping crime. All it is is a bloodlust that needs to end.

Biden commuting sentences, and generally doing anything, to degrade the United States of America to spite Trump and the majority of Americans who voted for him in rebuke of their neo-Marxism

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Yeah, saw an article this weekend that he was considering it. The author went out of their way to point out he's a devout Catholic. I wondered if they make that point when he talks about supporting abortion?

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Is it just me or are Catholics not great representatives of Christianity in general?

Martin Luther knew what he was talking about

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Yeah, saw an article this weekend that he was considering it. The author went out of their way to point out he's a devout Catholic. I wondered if they make that point when he talks about supporting abortion?

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Is it just me or are Catholics not great representatives of Christianity in general?

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I'm pretty sure the pro-abortion party (Dems) is made up of all denominations. HTH

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Really don't care.

A government should not be in the business of killing its citizens, no matter how terrible they are.
Too many wrongful executions and too many innocent people executed.
Capital punishment waste of money and proven to be ineffective at stopping crime. All it is is a bloodlust that needs to end.

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Then he should have commuted the sentences of the other three. Otherwise this is just a political stunt.

Yes, he should have. But 27 is better than 0

A "quick look" at the list of these prisoners finds that many (50%?) have been "in the slammer" for over 10 to even 20 years.
I say send these "people" on to their maker.

That's how the Left cuts the Federal deficit.
Idiots

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Why would I not be surprised.

Don't think you could actually do this, but I wouldn't put it past them to try.

I am increasingly worried Biden is going to blanket pardon every single illegal alien in the country before he leaves office.

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) December 23, 2024

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Fairly certain he can't pardon them for future crimes beyond his presidency, like continuing to stay illegally.

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President Biden has dedicated his career to reducing violent crime and ensuring a fair and effective justice system. He believes that America must stop the use of the death penalty at the federal level, except in cases of terrorism and hate-motivated mass murder which is why today's actions apply to all but those cases.

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So, mass murder is still okay, as long as you're not racist about it.

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If you are a mass murderer, you have hate in your heart. Period.