DOGE Style Cuts Worked in Argentina

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Incredible results following simple yet effective principles. They work every time they are tried.

That is in one year.

Think what Donald Trump can do in four years.
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In just one year, President Javier Milei has transformed Argentina's economic landscape, slashing the national budget deficit to zero for the first time in 123 years. This is a historic milestone in his presidency, which began on December 10, 2023.

Milei took over an economy crippled by rampant inflation, where supermarkets had to adjust prices daily. However, with his aggressive cutbacks to the size of the state, often symbolized by his wielding a chainsaw, Milei has steered the country back toward fiscal stability.

Argentinian inflation plummeted from a staggering 200 percent in 2023 to a mere 2.7 percent by October 2024. This dramatic reduction was celebrated by Milei in a recent broadcast, in which he stated, "The deficit was the root of all our evilswithout it, there's no debt, no emission, no inflation. Today, we have a sustained fiscal surplus, free of default, for the first time in 123 years."

Milei describes his decisive actions as "the greatest adjustment in history." He contrasts his approach with past, socialistic policy, "A year ago, a degenerate printed 13 percent of GDP to win an election, fueling inflation. Today, monetary emission is a thing of the past."

Within weeks of taking office, he sold two private jets owned by a state-owned oil company, as part of a drive to end "political privileges" for state officials. He also reduced the number of government vehicles and chauffeurs by half, and delivered more systemic reformsfor instance, the number of government departments has been cut from 18 to eight, and some 30,000 bureaucrats have been terminated.

Milei's achievement in eliminating a century-long deficit within a year has not gone unnoticed. Tech mogul Elon Musk took to X to commend Milei, recognizing his bold economic reforms and their tangible results.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/12/11/doge-style-efficiency-cuts-deliver-argentinas-first-budget-surplus-in-123-years/
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
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But the where are all the hand outs going to come from?
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rocky the dog said:






Great set of points. Would add that legacy "journalism" also has no incentive to create wealth. They have it themselves and are content to sow division and strife, not solutions or compromises.
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Lex had an amazing podcast (in English so give it a listen) where he laid everything out in detail.

He is one of the most well read and articulate leaders in the world today. He's a showman, but he has more in common with our founding fathers than a modern President.
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Will never happen here. Drump is a proven Liberal and not a textbook Conservative.
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Fishing Fools said:

Will never happen here. Drump is a proven Liberal and not a textbook Conservative.


I guess we'll find out if DOGE is just a bunch of bs then, won't we.
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Fishing Fools said:

Will never happen here. Drump is a proven Liberal and not a textbook Conservative.
Well he sure isn't going to cut spending, DOGE or not.
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Fishing Fools said:

Will never happen here. Drump is a proven Liberal and not a textbook Conservative.
Anyone using the term "Drump" loses any hope of people paying much attention to anything after that.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.
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Jeeper79 said:

But the where are all the hand outs going to come from?


This is this true litmus test for conservatives. If you are not for eliminating entitlements and cutting taxes, you are not a conservative.

Your interests might align with conservatives but you're not one of us.
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Ag_of_08 said:

Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.


It often means companies will have more capital to expand and succeed and probably need to hire more folks.
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Ag_of_08 said:

Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.


If you are starving in the streets there is a reason. And that is a self correcting problem. What happens to animals that cannot feed themselves?
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Ah yes, the always fun combination of crony capitalism and social darwinism. Makes for great posturing.
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It does... Im asking has it?
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Ag_of_08 said:

It does... Im asking has it?


Ahh, a nother looking for instant gratification....it don't work that way when in dismantling of the socialist/fascist state. You got to give it extra time since you are starting with big economic quagmire. Give it a couple years to build momentum.
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Ag_of_08 said:

Ah yes, the always fun combination of crony capitalism and social darwinism. Makes for great posturing.
I am not engaging in crony capitalism, just capitalism. And if you cannot survive without government assistance, then maybe that is just letting nature take its course.

What we have now is representation without taxation. You have almost half of net taxpayers paying zero and voting money for their individual families taken from the actual taxpayers. That is not sustainable, nor just.
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Im asking has it shown any progress yet? I'm not asking is it fixed, im asking has particular ideas and actions actually shown progress towards a more prosperous country, not just investors.
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Ag_of_08 said:

Im asking has it shown any progress yet? I'm not asking is it fixed, im asking has particular ideas and actions actually shown progress towards a more prosperous country, not just investors.


How much progress that you are describing do you think should already have happened 1 year after he took office in a hyperinflationary economy with extremely low productivity?

Also, markets are about expectations. Without looking at your posting history, I smell a closet socialist that is completely unaware of how markets work, opining about investors getting rich.
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Ag_of_08 said:

Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.


He eliminated hyperinflation so even the poor can afford to eat. Besides, let private entities, not public, handle the care of the poor. Rich people are more philanthropic with a 44% return in the securities markets.
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Ag_of_08 said:

Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.
You know what else causes people to starve in the streets - 200% inflation
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Ag_of_08 said:

Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.
Since 2002....

Employment Rate in Argentina increased to 44.80 percent in the second quarter of 2024 from 44.30 percent in the first quarter of 2024. Employment Rate in Argentina averaged 41.87 percent from 2002 until 2024, reaching an all time high of 45.80 percent in the fourth quarter of 2023 and a record low of 33.40 percent in the second quarter of 2020.


Over the last 22 years, the LOWEST employment rate was 33.40 during the COVID year only because people were NOT counted and the rate was at it's HIGHEST when Melei took office December 2023. The rate has dropped 1% over the last year (technically over the 1st 6 months). I'd bet it will have dropped significantly by this time next year.


ADDED: Here is an EMPLOYMENT graph from the St Louis Federal Reserve dating back to 1991, so the figures are an inverse of the unemployment rate. They also do not 100% align with the information I posted above but they are close. UNEMPLOYMENT in Argentina has been historicallt AWFUL.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLEMPTOTLSPZSARG
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Yes it's shown progress...multiple sources.







ABATTBQ11
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Ag_of_08 said:

Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.


Just over 50%.
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VitruvianAg said:

Ag_of_08 said:

It does... Im asking has it?


Ahh, a nother looking for instant gratification....it don't work that way when in dismantling of the socialist/fascist state. You got to give it extra time since you are starting with big economic quagmire. Give it a couple years to build momentum.


The real politik is that Argentinians are the ones who have to give it time, not an internet poster, and the majority of the country is not going to tolerate years of extended poverty on promises of a better future. If you can't put food on the table today, a better economy and job market 3 years from now is a moot point. It's simply a fact of life a lack of progress will lead to a lack of votes, so if it doesn't happen fast enough, nothing else matters.
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Milei kind of looks like Bilbo Baggins.
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It amazes me that people who advocate for the poor advocate for a return to the system that made them that way.

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Ag_of_08 said:

Market surges are great for people in the market.... what's the poverty rate look like? Has it encouraged new business and an expanding job market/economy?

A 44% stock market surge doesn't mean squat if your people are starving in the streets.
The poverty rate has improved remarkably.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

VitruvianAg said:

Ag_of_08 said:

It does... Im asking has it?


Ahh, a nother looking for instant gratification....it don't work that way when in dismantling of the socialist/fascist state. You got to give it extra time since you are starting with big economic quagmire. Give it a couple years to build momentum.
The real politik is that Argentinians are the ones who have to give it time, not an internet poster, and the majority of the country is not going to tolerate years of extended poverty on promises of a better future. If you can't put food on the table today, a better economy and job market 3 years from now is a moot point. It's simply a fact of life a lack of progress will lead to a lack of votes, so if it doesn't happen fast enough, nothing else matters.
Good thing the poverty rate is down ridiculously fast.
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Define crony capitalism.
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