"Concerned Moderate"..... LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

Any public economic threat to the US should be taken with a grain of salt. We have 100% leverage. They will all back down when push comes to shove.

Power flows pretty seamlessly back and forth across the US-Hat border as opposed to the US-Mexico border. Many of the provinces have large govt owned hydro facilities that have lots of excess cheap power to sell during the summer across the border to the upper midwest and new england areas. There is a mix of mostly longer term bilateral contracts and smaller amounts of daily spot power. They've been doing this for decades. If Canada can sell it cheaper in the spot market than the US entities up there can make it themselves that day they ramp their plants down and buy cheap spot stuff from Canada. Manitoba actually is a member of the big US grid operator MISO out of Indianapolis. The Canadian polticos can't do much about the firm power on long term contracts. They could make it more difficult for the canadian schedulers to bid cheap power into the spot markets. The spot markets aren't all that much power compared to the amount sold on long term bilateral contracts typically. Quebec has its own grid and when they are happy (getting everything they want) they will connect to the entire eastern US and Canada grid and sell. But if they don't get their way they will essentially take their ball and go home (disconnect from the rest of the US-Canada eastern grid) say were French Separatists and not sell anything to anybody outside Quebec. That has been going on for decades.

The funny thing is, Ontario is blasting tv airwaves with a "we are your best friend, favorite neighbor" commercials lately..

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Complete embargo and surround their ports to cut off trade entirely if they pull something like that. Arrest Canadians and put them in camps. LFG m-fer.

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Can't imagine why parallels to Hitler were drawn with posts like this calling for one of our two neighbor's citizens to be put in camps. And it being liked.

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You mis-spelled FDR, who led America's war against the national socialists, when we were under attack from both Asia and Europe.



And your sarcasm meter is broken.

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We're under attack?

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So you are willing to allow your fellow libs in New York, Michigan and Wisconsin to go dark and freeze? Ok then.

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What makes you think I'm a lib?

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Uhh, because you are?

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The truth is I'm an early oughts Republican in terms of views. But that's a liberal in Trump's party, which is odd because Trump is liberal.

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So basically a Dick Cheney/Donald Rumsfeld/Liz Cheney/Haliburton/Bill Kristol Republican who now votes Democrat and pals around with the Lincoln Project

Ok got it

Congrats, I guess

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Congrats? On being socially and fiscally conservative? Ok. Congrats to you on supporting someone who licks Putin's b-hole, will balloon our deficit and is morally bankrupt.

Does our 51st state want to have this battle with us?

Great move - harm Canadian power producers by preventing them from selling abroad. Less demand means lower prices. How many power plants will that close? Actions have consequences.

The premier of Ottawa cannot do jack squat, when it comes to contractual arrangements between two nations.

Kind of like harming American consumers and businesses while claiming to "help" them?

Anyone that thinks that politicians in general aren't morally bankrupt, on all sides, is hilariously naive or dangerously stupid. Yes there are some people that go into it for good reasons but to rise to any point of prominence or to last of any significant length of time requires so many compromises and other issues. What an absolutely mind blowing arrogant blind spot. How embaressing.

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Why the hell are we relying on a foreign government to provide power to any part of our country?

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Simple answer is that it's cheap, generally hydroelectric power.

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The funny thing is, Ontario is blasting tv airwaves with a "we are your best friend, favorite neighbor" commercials lately..

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CBC: "Ontario launches multimillion-dollar U.S. ad campaign amid Trump's tariff threat"
"The Ontario government launched a multimillion-dollar ad campaign touting the province as a long-standing friend and ally to the U.S. It comes as president-elect Donald Trump is threatening 25 per cent tariffs on all Canadian products once he comes into office."

It is truly amazing to me that all of a sudden we hear from Ontario about being our buddy.

As a current citizen under the territory of ERCOT, I am in no position to cast judgement on where anyone else draws their energy needs.

So if dude turns off the power, that means there is no bill to pay from the customer. Double Whammy!

We will figure out how to get power to those in need.

If you mean by applying tariffs, which is a tax on American consumers, I agree completely. So did Adam Smith, with the exception of situations vital to our strategic interest.

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So if dude turns off the power, that means there is no bill to pay from the customer. Double Whammy!

We will figure out how to get power to those in need.

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You mean like Texas did during the deep freeze?

That's a consequence of playing hardball in international trade, and I can't really fault Canada for taking this stance. Trump wants something from Canada, and he threatens significant tariffs if he doesn't get it. Canada in turns threatens its own significant retaliation. It's dangerous for both sides and encourages them to negotiate. There will no doubt be some brinksmanship and short-term pain for both sides, but Trump at least isn't a stupid negotiator. He'll ultimately get a win, or at least something he can call a win, and ideally something that Canada can call a win as well.

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Great move - harm Canadian power producers by preventing them from selling abroad. Less demand means lower prices. How many power plants will that close? Actions have consequences.

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How many American businesses and households would be harmed due to no power for potentially weeks or months? I guarantee it would dwarf the harm to the Canadian utilities.

As you said, actions have consequences.

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Michigan, New York and Wisconsin. They are almost frozen over in the winter anyway. Go ahead and turn off their power. LOL. Screw those states. They are all populated and run by Libtards.

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That's what they get for voting blue

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Michigan, New York and Wisconsin. They are almost frozen over in the winter anyway. Go ahead and turn off their power. LOL. Screw those states. They are all populated and run by Libtards.

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That's what they get for voting blue

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Mi and Wisky didn't vote blue this last election. We could just leave the power off to Detroit, Ann-arbor, NYC, Albany, etc and Milwaukee then reroute it to red areas of those states and call it a day.

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Complete embargo and surround their ports to cut off trade entirely if they pull something like that. Arrest Canadians and put them in camps. LFG m-fer.

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Can't imagine why parallels to Hitler were drawn with posts like this calling for one of our two neighbor's citizens to be put in camps. And it being liked.

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We got a CANADIAN IN THE HOUSE!

An early aughts republican is literally a nazi to about 2/3 the country. What items has trump moved the party to the left (from where they were running in 2016-17, not from where they were in 2002) that specifically bother you?

There are a few, and I likely agree with your dissent on them, just wondering.

Every time we tried to invade Canada, they kicked our ass.

FYI.

Trump, always one to back down from a fight, oh wait, that's not true, check this out:

No one can answer why we subsidize Canada to the tune of over $100,000,000 a year? Makes no sense! Many Canadians want Canada to become the 51st State. They would save massively on taxes and military protection. I think it is a great idea. 51st State!!!

Donald Trump Truth Social…

— Donald J. Trump Posts From His Truth Social (@TrumpDailyPosts) December 18, 2024

It's very important the Democrats get no new senators out of any future deal:

This might be the solution to the Atlantic provinces question - add them & their 2.4 million people to Massachusetts' 7 million, giving the Democrats three extra congressmen, but no new senators: https://t.co/MOYO5g6inb

— Nemets (@Peter_Nimitz) December 17, 2024

Kinda got to respect him sticking up for Canada and avoiding taking the CNN bait to personally attack
Trump. Our leaders make threats, their leaders make threats, and hopefully the outcome is more equitable balanced trade. That's all Trump is trying to do, but he can't come out and say these tariffs are a negotiation stick, or worst case, probation for certain countries.

First of all, Power Station is from London. Second, they were never as successful as Duran Duran, so I'm not sure why we would want them.

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Complete embargo and surround their ports to cut off trade entirely if they pull something like that. Arrest Canadians and put them in camps. LFG m-fer.

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Can't imagine why parallels to Hitler were drawn with posts like this calling for one of our two neighbor's citizens to be put in camps. And it being liked.

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You mis-spelled FDR, who led America's war against the national socialists, when we were under attack from both Asia and Europe.



And your sarcasm meter is broken.

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We're under attack?

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So you are willing to allow your fellow libs in New York, Michigan and Wisconsin to go dark and freeze? Ok then.

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What makes you think I'm a lib?

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Uhh, because you are?

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The truth is I'm an early oughts Republican in terms of views. But that's a liberal in Trump's party, which is odd because Trump is liberal.

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I don't think intellectual stuff is your thing.

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Michigan, New York and Wisconsin. They are almost frozen over in the winter anyway. Go ahead and turn off their power. LOL. Screw those states. They are all populated and run by Libtards.

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Problem is this would affect the rule counties more than MSP, NYC, Madison, Detroit etc.

I am all for our new American Overlords. Doug Ford is an old school Liberal Democrat and enjoys the tyrannical powers the Canadian political system affords him as Premier.

The Canadian system is like a dual dictatorship. Provincial Premiers over their jurisdictions and the Prime Minister over theirs.

One of the most profound learning this year for me was Rush's instrumental YYZ is Toronto Airport code. I chuckled....

Go ahead. Listen to it. And if you grew up in the 80's and not start air drumming/bass/guitar with this right now, you're not worthy.