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I don't think that's the case. I think that it became public that there was a second 17 year old.

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Actually, it sounds like the same 17 year old reporting a second encounter, not a second accuser. I misread it.

Good. It was a poor choice that was doomed. Here's to Trump picking a home run on try two.

lock him up

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I guess the lesson here is don't have sex with 17 year olds and have political aspirations..u

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It's a good thing no woman has ever lied about their age and all women will always present a valid ID on demand

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aren't we the "CONSERVATIVE" party?!?!

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if it were the liberal party, it would have been underaged boys and the media wouldn't care.

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I guess the lesson here is don't have sex with 17 year olds and have political aspirations..u

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It's a good thing no woman has ever lied about their age and all women will always present a valid ID on demand

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I've never been asked.

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Those that want to protect Gaetz only want to do so because he pisses people off. The AG should be more than that.

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Wrong. It's that he pisses off people who I trust the least. I don't personally care about Gaetz. I like that he was hovering over the right targets. If he's a POS, then fine, can his ass. Assuming there are actual facts that support it. Hopefully someone even better replaces him.

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why would you ever doubt that someone better would replace him?!?

1. Trump fired people all the time in his last go round

2. Matt Gaetz is a hack blowhard who went to Florida State and has his daddy's money which he used to buy hookers and a seat in Congress

3. to believe the GOP has NOT ONE CANDIDATE better than Gaetz is to implicitly agree that we are the idiot party with no qualified or talented people

DESANTIS himself is 100 times better for AG than Matt Gaetz!

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Senator Gaetz incoming?!

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That would be great.

But rumor is that he may want DeSantis job in next election.

DeSantis should appoint himself Senator.

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In the absolute perfect world, DeSantis would become AG. He was built for that IMO and can systematically turn the DOJ upside down and shake out all the partisan hacks. I can't imagine he'd have any trouble being confirmed.

Any way that could happen?

I don't see a sitting governor leaving to be the AG for the US.

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Those that want to protect Gaetz only want to do so because he pisses people off. The AG should be more than that.

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Wrong. It's that he pisses off people who I trust the least. I don't personally care about Gaetz. I like that he was hovering over the right targets. If he's a POS, then fine, can his ass. Assuming there are actual facts that support it. Hopefully someone even better replaces him.

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why would you ever doubt that someone better would replace him?!?

1. Trump fired people all the time in his last go round

2. Matt Gaetz is a hack blowhard who went to Florida State and has his daddy's money which he used to buy hookers and a seat in Congress

3. to believe the GOP has NOT ONE CANDIDATE better than Gaetz is to implicitly agree that we are the idiot party with no qualified or talented people

DESANTIS himself is 100 times better for AG than Matt Gaetz!

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When did I say there was nobody better? I merely said "hopefully someone better replaces him", meaning I don't want someone the beltway is going to like. I want both parties fearful as both are responsible for our mess.

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I guess the lesson here is don't have sex with 17 year olds and have political aspirations..u

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It's a good thing no woman has ever lied about their age and all women will always present a valid ID on demand

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I've never been asked.

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everyone already knows you're old

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I don't think that's the case. I think that it became public that there was a second 17 year old.

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Actually, it sounds like the same 17 year old reporting a second encounter, not a second accuser. I misread it.

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The way it's written makes it seem like the second encounter was at the same party as the first.

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. . . Reid summarized what the new reporting was that "the woman who is at the center of these allegations that he had sex with a minor, has told the ethics committee that when she was just 17, she had not one but two sexual encounters with Gaetz at a party in Florida. And that that sexual second encounter involved an adult woman." . . .

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And for the record, I wouldn't like him as AG even if none of that was true. He's a self interested shock jock who has been a pain in the ass to republican legislators for too long. He actively hurts the cause.

Other than him and RFK I'm fine with the other appointments

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I seem to recall a short period of history, say around 2019 to present when you repeated verbatim every blue talking point RE: "Dr" Fauci, WHO, wet markets, exponential!!!, two weeks, vaxxx, booters, omincron, dark winters, etc. etc. etc.


I'm shocked you didn't like those picks.

at least the appetite for 50+ senators to confirm Ken Pax will be better now that they successfully got Gaetz cancelled

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Apparently, he dropped out because they found out about a new accuser.


https://www.mediaite.com/news/gaetz-dropped-out-after-cnn-inquiry-about-new-allegation-involving-threesome-with-17-year-old/

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According to CNN chief legal correspondent Paula Reid, "we [CNN] called to say we were going to report that 'Ethics committee told there was a *second* sexual encounter between Gaetz and 17 year old in 2017,'" and Gaetz withdrew 45 minutes later.

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"They asked us to give them an hour. We did," said Reid, explaining that they had told Gaetz's team they would go live at 12:30 pm, "and about a moment before I was supposed to come on air and share the new reporting…we didn't get a statement from Gaetz, and instead we got the statement saying that he was withdrawing as the attorney general pick."

Reid summarized what the new reporting was that "the woman who is at the center of these allegations that he had sex with a minor, has told the ethics committee that when she was just 17, she had not one but two sexual encounters with Gaetz at a party in Florida. And that that sexual second encounter involved an adult woman."

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I guess the lesson here is don't have sex with 17 year olds and have political aspirations..unless you're Bill Clinton.

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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at least the appetite for 50+ senators to confirm Ken Pax will be better now that they successfully got Gaetz cancelled

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It will only embolden the swamp rats

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I don't think that's the case. I think that it became public that there was a second 17 year old.

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Actually, it sounds like the same 17 year old reporting a second encounter, not a second accuser. I misread it.

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The way it's written makes it seem like the 2nd encounter was at the same party as the first.

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It also doesn't smell right.

CNN approaches Gaetz and says "the ethics committee that just said they aren't going to share details of the report shares with us something in the report that has never been reported. We will give you an hour to respond and then run with it". Gaetz then drops out, and they run with it.

He's either dropping out because its true, or this is about get a lot more interesting. Why is the ethics committee telling CNN anything? Who exactly told them this?

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The Swamp

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Not so. He has been investigated inside and out and if anything was found they would have announced it years ago. You think THiS DOJ who has gone after conservatives and locked some of them up wouldn't go after him? They wanted him - that's for sure.

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at least the appetite for 50+ senators to confirm Ken Pax will be better now that they successfully got Gaetz cancelled

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It will only embolden the swamp rats

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well, all D senators will be against anyone nominated. Just needed 51 of the 53 Rs. I think swapping Pax for Gaetz will feel like a win to the R senators and get them on board.

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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I am amazed at how all the same posters and politicians who were adamant Trump wasn't going to be re-elected are now completely opposed to all of his cabinet picks now that they were proven wrong in a landslide.

It's almost as if some of you fully support the swamp, which is of course antithetical to our founding principles.

(starts looking for the last time an incoming dem president had the other party and the media tear an appointment apart like every member of a Trump appointment......)

Nope, not finding it

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I don't see a sitting governor leaving to be the AG for the US.

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DeSanitis is term limited now. He's out in two years anyway. I could definitely see it since he would be much more effective in that role.

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I don't think that's the case. I think that it became public that there was a second 17 year old.

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Actually, it sounds like the same 17 year old reporting a second encounter, not a second accuser. I misread it.

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The way it's written makes it seem like the second encounter was at the same party as the first.

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. . , Reid summarized what the new reporting was that "the woman who is at the center of these allegations that he had sex with a minor, has told the ethics committee that when she was just 17, she had not one but two sexual encounters with Gaetz at a party in Florida. And that that sexual second encounter involved an adult woman." . . .

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Another Christine Blasey Ford…. Come on down. I guess they didn't find this girl when they investigated the same party the first time. I guess the check cleared.

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And for the record, I wouldn't like him as AG even if none of that was true. He's a self interested shock jock who has been a pain in the ass to republican legislators for too long. He actively hurts the cause.

Other than him and RFK I'm fine with the other appointments

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Your past coronabro hysteria makes all the sense in the world now.

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I don't think that's the case. I think that it became public that there was a second 17 year old.

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Actually, it sounds like the same 17 year old reporting a second encounter, not a second accuser. I misread it.

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The way it's written makes it seem like the second encounter was at the same party as the first.

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. . . Reid summarized what the new reporting was that "the woman who is at the center of these allegations that he had sex with a minor, has told the ethics committee that when she was just 17, she had not one but two sexual encounters with Gaetz at a party in Florida. And that that sexual second encounter involved an adult woman." . . .

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So the 17 year old was a hooker at the time, as expected.

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aren't we the "CONSERVATIVE" party?!?!

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if it were the liberal party, it would have been underaged boys and the media wouldn't care.

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That's probably a fair point.

Barney Frank was running scores of underaged male prostitutes through his Washington, DC townhome and nobody really batted an eye.

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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I am amazed at how all the same posters and politicians who were adamant Trump wasn't going to be re-elected are now completely opposed to all of his cabinet picks now that they were proven wrong in a landslide.

It's almost as if some of you fully support the swamp, which is of course antithetical to our founding principles.

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I'm amazed at how many "conservatives" believe unsubstantiated and unproven accusations after what we've seen with Trump and others the last 8 years. Now I understand why the left flat out lies like they do. Even half on our side believe them. Heck, I bet they believe Kav raped Ford and Trump raped E Jean.

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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The DOJ investigation ended it's investigation two years ago!. The House doesn't prosecute people. They don't do criminal investigations.

It's pretty obvious you make baseless claims and dont understand what happened here.

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Just to be clear, Gaetz's right hand man in any alleged wrongdoing got sent to prison for 11 years for the things Gaetz is accused of. It seems facially clear that he wasn't being prosecuted because he's a sitting Congressman.

Friends who work in DC also note that Gaetz does not hide how constantly drugged up and horny he is. Not the character I want out of the highest ranking legal officer in the country.

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That makes zero sense. Less than zero actually. Garland would have been more than happy to prosecute Gaetz had there been anything there.

Are you aware that many sitting congress people have been indicted on federal charges while in office? Some have even been convicted. You're obviously not aware because you've come up with that cockamamie theory about why he wasn't charged.

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DOJ can only prosecute for FEDERAL crimes. Paying for sex is not a federal crime. Having sex with a minor (as long as they are older than 12) is not a federal crime. Paying a minor for sex isn't even a federal crime unless trafficking is involved. In order to charge Gaetz with a federal crime, the DoJ would have needed to use trafficking laws, which is where their case was not strong enough to go after a sitting US representative. Fwiw, the DoJ investigation begun under the Trump Administration.

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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I am amazed at how all the same posters and politicians who were adamant Trump wasn't going to be re-elected are now completely opposed to all of his cabinet picks now that they were proven wrong in a landslide.

It's almost as if some of you fully support the swamp, which is of course antithetical to our founding principles.

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Which posters are "opposed to all of Trump's cabinet picks?"

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True, but Bill's party didn't hate him the way the GOP, and pretty much anyone not maga, hates Gaetz.

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Amazed how the foaming at the mouth MAGA crowd is ready to declare anyone not full on board with Gaetz as "persona non grata" and unworthy.

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I am amazed at how all the same posters and politicians who were adamant Trump wasn't going to be re-elected are now completely opposed to all of his cabinet picks now that they were proven wrong in a landslide.

It's almost as if some of you fully support the swamp, which is of course antithetical to our founding principles.

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Are you saying that anybody not fully on board with Gaetz is instantaneously "against all his cabinet picks" and "supports the swamp"? A little early to be drinking, isn't it?

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A little early to be drinking, isn't it?

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Not even close!

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The Swamp

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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The DOJ investigation ended it's investigation two years ago!. The House doesn't prosecute people. They don't do criminal investigations.

It's pretty obvious you make baseless claims and dont understand what happened here.

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Just to be clear, Gaetz's right hand man in any alleged wrongdoing got sent to prison for 11 years for the things Gaetz is accused of. It seems facially clear that he wasn't being prosecuted because he's a sitting Congressman.

Friends who work in DC also note that Gaetz does not hide how constantly drugged up and horny he is. Not the character I want out of the highest ranking legal officer in the country.

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Joel Greenberg, the guy that got sent to prison was NOT Gaetz's right hand man. Yes, he knew and was friends with Gaetz. He also had asked Gaetz to intevene on his behalf and secure a pardon for him. When Gaetz didn't, he came out with the accusation of Gaetz's involvement.

He also had a history of doing this. Greenberg was the former Tax Collector for Seminole county, and had accused his opponent in that election of having sex with minors. Sound familiar?

It's quite possible that Greenberg offered Gaetz as his "get out of jail free" card. He's the underpinning of the entire allegation against Gaetz, and he's not credible.

And I still have yet to actually see Venmo receipts for sex. So it's really not obvious at all what truly happened here.

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I don't see a sitting governor leaving to be the AG for the US.

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DeSanitis is term limited now. He's out in two years anyway. I could definitely see it since he would be much more effective in that role.

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He's fundraising with his PAC for a 2028 run, doubt he moves to the AG spot.

Look at Andrew Bailey (MO AG). He has 2 young Senators that will be hard to primary. He can run the DOJ and then possibly come back to MO to run for Governor after Kehoe is done.

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The Swamp

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Nah, the walls are just closing in on a guy with too many skeletons in the closet.

It's incredibly obvious at this point there's some really damning stuff that was going to come to light if he remained in public life.

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Completely baseless accusation. Nice.

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There are financial records and emails documenting his use of prostitutes.

Now sure, the underage boy/girl stuff may very well be false. But we're at the point where that's a question for the legal side of things. He's clearly not a viable candidate for AG of the United States regardless.

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Your DOJ investigated and cleared him. Just stop with your bull**** accusations.

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They didn't clear him, they declined to prosecute but withheld all the evidence. It's pretty obvious what happened there.

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The DOJ investigation ended it's investigation two years ago!. The House doesn't prosecute people. They don't do criminal investigations.

It's pretty obvious you make baseless claims and dont understand what happened here.

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Just to be clear, Gaetz's right hand man in any alleged wrongdoing got sent to prison for 11 years for the things Gaetz is accused of. It seems facially clear that he wasn't being prosecuted because he's a sitting Congressman.

Friends who work in DC also note that Gaetz does not hide how constantly drugged up and horny he is. Not the character I want out of the highest ranking legal officer in the country.

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Joel Greenberg, the guy that got sent to prison was NOT Gaetz's right hand man. Yes, he knew and was friends with Gaetz. He also had asked Gaetz to intevene on his behalf and secure a pardon for him. When Gaetz didn't, he came out with the accusation of Gaetz's involvement.

He also had a history of doing this. Greenberg was the former Tax Collector for Seminole county, and had accused his opponent in that election of having sex with minors. Sound familiar?

It's quite possible that Greenberg offered Gaetz as his "get out of jail free" card. He's the underpinning of the entire allegation against Gaetz, and he's not credible.

And I still have yet to actually see Venmo receipts for sex. So it's really not obvious at all what truly happened here.

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Don't worry. I've asked multiple times on this thread, including the person you responded to, of any semblance of proof and have gotten crickets. Apparently, it's not ok to seek factual evidence before rushing to judgement on a highly political potential scandal.

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Coward RINOs in the GOP are still too numerous.

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So much This!