Trump expected to end Biden-era death penalty pause, expand to more federal inmates

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-expected-end-biden-era-death-penalty-pause-expand-more-federal-inmates

Trump has also vowed to expand the death penalty to other crimes, including child rape, human trafficking, drug trafficking, and people who murder police.

In 2008, the Supreme Court declared the death penalty for child rapists unconstitutional when the child survives, the American Bar Journal reported Monday.

However, with Trump in the White House, a Republican majority in the Senate and conservatives holding a 6-3 advantage in the current Supreme Court, proponents are hopeful for a reversal.

"The Supreme Court has said the death penalty should only apply when the death of the victim is involved, but that is subject to change with the makeup of the current Supreme Court," Mangino told Fox News Digital.

Three of the four justices who dissented in the 2008 Kennedy v. Louisiana decision are still on the court Justices John Roberts, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.

"When it is a question of the execution of a condemned man, the State does not dispose of the individual's right to life. In this case it is reserved to the public power to deprive the condemned person of the enjoyment of life in expiation of his crime when, by his crime, he has already disposed himself of his right to live." -Pope Pius XII
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Make Sparky Great Again!
agwrestler
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Gator92 said:

Make Sparky Great Again!

Lethal injection is too humane.
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To the very end.
Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
KerrAg76
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Ok to kill innocent baby but not a convicted murdering criminal
JD Shellnut
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I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".
CrackerJackAg
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Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
C@LAg
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trump should stay out of this as it is a states rights issue.

Let the individual states decide if they want to have the death penalty or not. and most states have opted out of it.

Trump should be focusing on bigger issues.
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CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
Really, so justice is not something you believe in? Jeffrey Dahmer dismember 17 boys and men and he should just stay in prison? Menendez brothers brutally murdered their parents?

Capital punishment is a justifiable form of punishment with reform isn't an option.
Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91
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JD Shellnut said:

I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".
Agreed. Too many examples of shameless prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence to get convictions. I know they weren't threatened with the DP, but the Duke Lacrosse fiasco is a great example of DAs not just hiding evidence but effectively altering it to win. Nifong didn't give a damn if 8 innocent young men's lives were ruined as long as he could pander to black voters and white libs.
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CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.

So we should continue to shell out billions of $$ for evil criminals convicted of multiple capital murder or serial killers/rapists?

I agree with the premise of not making it easy to put someone on death row. However, there are thousands of evil people behind bars that should not be allowed to live due to the heinous nature of their crimes or for the inability to change and be a productive member to society. The best thing for everyone is to rid them of this world and release the burden on they cause on law abiding tax-paying citizens of this country.
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It's cheaper to house these people that it is to go through all of the appeals, etc.

I personally think they are plenty of people deserving of death, but I also don't think the government should get to make that decision.

Don't tell me about "a jury of peers" the prosecution gets whatever it wants .
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JD Shellnut said:

I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".


^ How about when we have everything on video?

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.





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TheWoodlandsTxAg said:

JD Shellnut said:

I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".


^ How about when we have everything on video?

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.






in the future, video evidence one way or the other will be able to be fabricated with ease. and opportunists will be able to utilize.
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CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
No the conservative view is to bring justice for victims. The liberal view is to protect killers.

Read all of the statements from all of the victims families thanking Abbott and Desanits.

Christina Pushaw posts all of them to her Twitter account.

A majority of murders now happen on video. There is zero question of guilt.



We usually have everything on video.

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head execution style.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.

THE CLERK DID NOT RESIST AT ALL AND HE WAS KILLED LIKE AN ANIMAL.
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C@LAg said:

trump should stay out of this as it is a states rights issue.

Let the individual states decide if they want to have the death penalty or not. and most states have opted out of it.

Trump should be focusing on bigger issues.

This has to do with federal cases.
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TheWoodlandsTxAg said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
No the conservative view is to bring justice for victims. The liberal view is to protect killers.

Read all of the statements from all of the victims families thanking Abbott and Desanits.

Christina Pushaw posts all of them to her Twitter account.

A majority of murders now happen on video. There is zero question of guilt.



We usually have everything on video.

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head execution style.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.

THE CLERK DID NOT RESIST AT ALL AND HE WAS KILLED LIKE AN ANIMAL.


Don't care…. Government shouldn't have the option.

Sorry you disagree. I understand why you feel the way you do. I just don't agree with you…America.
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CrackerJackAg said:

TheWoodlandsTxAg said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
No the conservative view is to bring justice for victims. The liberal view is to protect killers.

Read all of the statements from all of the victims families thanking Abbott and Desanits.

Christina Pushaw posts all of them to her Twitter account.

A majority of murders now happen on video. There is zero question of guilt.



We usually have everything on video.

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head execution style.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.

THE CLERK DID NOT RESIST AT ALL AND HE WAS KILLED LIKE AN ANIMAL.


Don't care…. Government shouldn't have the option.

Sorry you disagree. I understand why you feel the way you do. I just don't agree with you…America.
So basically the victim of this animal and his family should "celebrate" that the victim got "justice".
Athanasius
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In the vast majority of cases in the United States, there should be no death penalty.
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From a monetary view, I have read where it is cheaper to give one a life sentience without parole than to put them on death roll where they can keep filing appeals at out expense.
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I want Trump to tell the Army to carry out the sentence on the Fort Hood shooter. He was convicted 11 years ago.
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JD Shellnut said:

I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".
What about in cases where there is absolutely no doubt? Still oppose it?
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TexasAggie73 said:

From a monetary view, I have read where it is cheaper to give one a life sentience without parole than to put them on death roll where they can keep filing appeals at out expense.
Cost should not be a factor. The fault is with letting them sit on death row for 20 to 25 years which drives up the cost. Six months for an appeal is plenty. But we have way too many lazy ass judges, lazy ass prosecutors, and lazy ass lawyers.
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C@LAg said:

trump should stay out of this as it is a states rights issue.

Let the individual states decide if they want to have the death penalty or not. and most states have opted out of it.

Trump should be focusing on bigger issues.


I believe this thread addresses the imposition of the death penalty for federal crimes only. Trump has no constitutional jurisdiction in the imposition of the death penalty for stay crimes.
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93MarineHorn said:

JD Shellnut said:

I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".
Agreed. Too many examples of shameless prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence to get convictions. I know they weren't threatened with the DP, but the Duke Lacrosse fiasco is a great example of DAs not just hiding evidence but effectively altering it to win. Nifong didn't give a damn if 8 innocent young men's lives were ruined as long as he could pander to black voters and white libs.


One aspect of capital punishment is it's meant as a deterrent; accordingly, in the cases of false rape allegations &/or malicious prosecution, the offenders of such should face severe & lengthy sentences if convicted. Perhaps such laws would help alleviate many of y'all's concerns over zealous prosecutors in relation to the death penalty.
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CrackerJackAg said:

TheWoodlandsTxAg said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
No the conservative view is to bring justice for victims. The liberal view is to protect killers.

Read all of the statements from all of the victims families thanking Abbott and Desanits.

Christina Pushaw posts all of them to her Twitter account.

A majority of murders now happen on video. There is zero question of guilt.



We usually have everything on video.

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head execution style.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.

THE CLERK DID NOT RESIST AT ALL AND HE WAS KILLED LIKE AN ANIMAL.


Don't care…. Government shouldn't have the option.

Sorry you disagree. I understand why you feel the way you do. I just don't agree with you…America.


So in your opinion, who had the ability to distributed just outcomes?
Gig'Em and God Bless,

JB'91
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Keller6Ag91 said:

CrackerJackAg said:

TheWoodlandsTxAg said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
No the conservative view is to bring justice for victims. The liberal view is to protect killers.

Read all of the statements from all of the victims families thanking Abbott and Desanits.

Christina Pushaw posts all of them to her Twitter account.

A majority of murders now happen on video. There is zero question of guilt.



We usually have everything on video.

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head execution style.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.

THE CLERK DID NOT RESIST AT ALL AND HE WAS KILLED LIKE AN ANIMAL.


Don't care…. Government shouldn't have the option.

Sorry you disagree. I understand why you feel the way you do. I just don't agree with you…America.


So in your opinion, who had the ability to distributed just outcomes?


So lethal outcomes are the only just outcomes to you when it comes to the government? Life in prison?

I don't have a problem with a father killing a personal harming his children or invading his home. If he is within his rights I'm ok with that. I think that is just.

I don't think the GOVERNMENT should decide it's ok to kill its citizens. I think that is pretty simple. THE GOVERNMENT being the distinction.

Because I know you may be obtuse I will also say that the government does not get to kill a person if he inappropriately used force and killed someone while claiming he was using self defense or claiming inappropriately to be protecting his property or family.

A PERSON must use JUST FORCE when exercising that power. THE GOVERNMENT can never use it after the fact.

That's my take. We don't have to agree and that's ok.

I trust an individual because there is a consequence for bad application of lethal force. The government can use lethal force and not face a real consequence. That is a major difference.
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Liberals can just think of it as an extra-late-term abortion.
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Ag in Tiger Country said:

93MarineHorn said:

JD Shellnut said:

I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".
Agreed. Too many examples of shameless prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence to get convictions. I know they weren't threatened with the DP, but the Duke Lacrosse fiasco is a great example of DAs not just hiding evidence but effectively altering it to win. Nifong didn't give a damn if 8 innocent young men's lives were ruined as long as he could pander to black voters and white libs.


One aspect of capital punishment is it's meant as a deterrent; accordingly, in the cases of false rape allegations &/or malicious prosecution, the offenders of such should face severe & lengthy sentences if convicted. Perhaps such laws would help alleviate many of y'all's concerns over zealous prosecutors in relation to the death penalty.
Falsely accusing a person of a crime should get the same punishment that the falsely-accused person would have gotten, up to and including death.
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CrackerJackAg said:

TheWoodlandsTxAg said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
No the conservative view is to bring justice for victims. The liberal view is to protect killers.

Read all of the statements from all of the victims families thanking Abbott and Desanits.

Christina Pushaw posts all of them to her Twitter account.

A majority of murders now happen on video. There is zero question of guilt.



We usually have everything on video.

Most murders are in 4K now.

https://usacrime.com/man-charged-capital-murder-fatally-shooting-tupelo-store-clerk/

^click on this link and the video is available in 4K

The man was charged with capital murder after fatally shooting a Tupelo store clerk in the head execution style.

Hardworking clerk who had never bothered anyone in his life and was working multiple jobs just to make ends meet.

THE CLERK DID NOT RESIST AT ALL AND HE WAS KILLED LIKE AN ANIMAL.


Don't care…. Government shouldn't have the option.

Sorry you disagree. I understand why you feel the way you do. I just don't agree with you…America.


I tell you, your viewpoint is sadistic and wrong.

Romans 13:3-4 NKJV
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. [4] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.13.3-4.NKJV

It is the God mandated duty of government to implement Justice, up to and including the death penalty. Supporting the appropriate use of the death penalty is ABSOLUTELY a conservative viewpoint and value. The bar for it is very high. As it should be. But rational, sane, God fearing conservatives are right and true to be in support of it. It seems you are none of these.
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Keller6Ag91 said:

CrackerJackAg said:

Bad Trump…I want the death penalty abolished.

Government should not have the option to kill its citizens outside of military treason/mutiny by active military.

That should be the actual conservative view.
Really, so justice is not something you believe in? Jeffrey Dahmer dismember 17 boys and men and he should just stay in prison? Menendez brothers brutally murdered their parents?

Capital punishment is a justifiable form of punishment with reform isn't an option.
We don't have "Capital punishment" - we have years and years of appeals, highly paid lawyers, and "death penalty" inmates behind bars for decades. Cheaper to just keep them behind bars and less humane than even a quick execution. Prison is Hell on Earth and the death penalty is simply an early release for some.
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one safe place said:

JD Shellnut said:

I'm not a fan of the death penalty. I just don't trust the government. Too many prosecutors see it as a game and will say or do anything to "win".
What about in cases where there is absolutely no doubt? Still oppose it?
proving the anti death peanlty position since you believe there are death row cases that arent absolutely no doubt. all convictions should be absolutely no doubt being beyond a shadow of a doubt and all but the government cant be trusted
Old Army has gone to hell.
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agwrestler said:

Gator92 said:

Make Sparky Great Again!

Lethal injection is too humane.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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