It appears to be about a year max, depending on how long you have been there...

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/severance-pay/

Hoyt Ag said:

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William Foster said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Any severance above 6 months is stupid. Welcome to the real world in finding a job that expects you to actually work and show up.

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In reality though, how will the private job market handle absorbing A MILLION recently unemployed people? That's a lot of people entering the workforce.

To be clear...I do not care for these people or have sympathy...but does this negativel;y affect the economy, or me and my family somehow?

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They can learn to code.

I don't have the answer to your question. But I know this, they will have to make some hard decisions and sacrifices to get back into the workforce that actually makes your work.

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True, but I just don't see anything close to a million available jobs in an already stagnant market over the next few years. Once severance runs out, many going to be applying for welfare...it's either that or live in the streets or flee to a diff country or pivot to a life of crime it seems.

Again, I am completely for this....just trying to think ahead in terms of how it impacts society. I hope everyone can just be peacefully absorbed over the course of a few years...but that is A LOT of people seeking employment at once.

When they think they've cut enough jobs, cut some more! Axe baby axe!

The question I've been left with is what degree of decision making does POTUS have unilaterally in axing departments and personnel from the umbrella of the Executive branch, versus what would require Congressional authorization given they control the budget and there will be ad infinitum personal interests that individual members of congress want to protect.

I would send out a survey to all government employees, and ask if they are nervous about the cuts.

If they say yes, they know they aren't needed. Whack those folks first.

This is going to be entertaining and welcome to the real world, people.

Jack Squat 83 said:

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I would send out a survey to all government employees, and ask if they are nervous about the cuts.

If they say yes, they know they aren't needed. Whack those folks first.

This is going to be entertaining and welcome to the real world, people.

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I'd also get the small percentage of people actually doing productive work to sing like canaries against their unproductive coworkers.

William Foster said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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William Foster said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Any severance above 6 months is stupid. Welcome to the real world in finding a job that expects you to actually work and show up.

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In reality though, how will the private job market handle absorbing A MILLION recently unemployed people? That's a lot of people entering the workforce.

To be clear...I do not care for these people or have sympathy...but does this negativel;y affect the economy, or me and my family somehow?

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They can learn to code.

I don't have the answer to your question. But I know this, they will have to make some hard decisions and sacrifices to get back into the workforce that actually makes your work.

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True, but I just don't see anything close to a million available jobs in an already stagnant market over the next few years. Once severance runs out, many going to be applying for welfare...it's either that or live in the streets or flee to a diff country or pivot to a life of crime it seems.

Again, I am completely for this....just trying to think ahead in terms of how it impacts society. I hope everyone can just be peacefully absorbed over the course of a few years...but that is A LOT of people seeking employment at once.

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don't forget, a lot of them are able to retire on their hefty pensions. Others will simply move back to being single-income families for a while. Others will find new work. When it's all over, it won't be close to the 1 million or whatever the number being let go is.

It's a bloated mess disconnected from US citizens and most reality on planet earth. It can't be downsized fast enough.

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Many of these DC peeps have degrees. However, they just walk around carrying papers and going to meetings without expertise. Then in a year or two, they are given the title of, analysts or advisor and don't know squat about the topic. There are many really good gov workers but 60-70 percent could be thinned out.

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Getting rid of middle management and higher and the savings will be great and no citizen who benefits from those agencies will even know this happened.

Now that we're closing the border, you might be able to add a fair amount of on the ground agents.

taxpreparer said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Well, if we boot out about a million illegals, I see some construction, agriculture, and food service industry jobs opening up.

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Sounds good, but these DC liberals are not capable of doing Manual Labor

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Didn't he run for President of Mexico a few years back???

DevilD77 said:

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Severance package should be no more than 1 year's base pay.

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Even that is too generous. Fine if a private company wants to give severance like that. But a years salary on tax payer dime is like giving them 100k plus worth of unemployment benefits for the year.

One of the smarter things they're doing is making the input public and posting the "silliest" misuses of money. Getting the public engaged, creating a posting board where the information is accessible by legacy media, etc. all helps get the populace aligned on the necessity of making cuts, which in turn relieves the pressure from politicians having to actually make decisions.

Should be interesting to follow along with over the next year or so.

There is so much that the Feds are doing that we don't need, or need as much. Some ideas:

1. Axe Department of Education. No more welfare for universities that inflates tuition costs. If a student needs a loan to go to college, they get it from a bank. Just like everyone else. Too many folks are just hanging out in universities getting useless degrees anyway.
2. Axe Department of Veteran Affairs. Any veteran, either retired or medically retired, gets an ID that can be used at any hospital/medical facility for whatever they need. Sell all the VA hospitals. The VA loan apparatus along with Disability determinations rolls back under SecDef where it belongs.
3. Greatly reduce EPA and OSHA. Put most all of their 'functions' back to the States.
4. Consolidate the various civilian Intelligence agencies into one.
5. Axe Department of Energy and reduce/roll up the remaining functions under Department of Interior.
6. Get the US Army Corps of Engineers back to oversight of real navigable water ways, not rivers/creeks in states that are not feasible for commercial traffic.
7. Congressional term limits. Greatly reduce pensions for elected officials. Put in incentives for Congress to not be a life time career.
8. Axe TSA. Let local cops do their jobs. Quit feeling up Grandmaw.
9. Take a meat axe to DoD. Fire lots of flag ranks and get rid of so many redundant 'Commands' and the waste of assets that keeps them afloat. Get the various components down to more combat related units and less bloat. Get the warriors back and ditch all the DEI nonsense. We won WWII with less that 10 each 4 Star Generals/Admirals. Why do we need 100 of them now?
10. Get rid of public sector unions, at least at the Federal level. For starters.

These are just off the top of my head.

You are going to see one of the largest retirement efforts ever known.

All you have to do is cut a low-level layer and threaten demotions and pay cuts to the rest.

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taxpreparer said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Well, if we boot out about a million illegals, I see some construction, agriculture, and food service industry jobs opening up.

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Sounds good, but these DC liberals are not capable of doing manual labor.

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Work or don't eat. They'll figure it out.

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Do you honestly trust these fools to do an acceptable job doing manual labor? The standards are already lowering with the laziness of current society, and putting liberal wusses in that position is somehow going to be anything above basement level. I sure as hell wouldn't want them touching a fence or installing literally anything.

You put these fools in this position and costs will go up and quality down. Just like with their current jobs.

Logos Stick said:

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We should see almost 1,000,000 bureaucrats fired by Trump. That's about a third. 98% of them fall under his direct control.

Jackson fired about 15% during his term; this bloodletting will definitely exceed that.

I expect Marc Elias to go full lawfare on their behalf.

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Give them relocation packages to the new offices in Oklahoma, and turn Maryland Red for '26.

WBBQ74 said:

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There is so much that the Feds are doing that we don't need, or need as much. Some ideas:

1. Axe Department of Education. No more welfare for universities that inflates tuition costs. If a student needs a loan to go to college, they get it from a bank. Just like everyone else. Too many folks are just hanging out in universities getting useless degrees anyway.
2. Axe Department of Veteran Affairs. Any veteran, either retired or medically retired, gets an ID that can be used at any hospital/medical facility for whatever they need. Sell all the VA hospitals. The VA loan apparatus along with Disability determinations rolls back under SecDef where it belongs.
3. Greatly reduce EPA and OSHA. Put most all of their 'functions' back to the States.
4. Consolidate the various civilian Intelligence agencies into one.
5. Axe Department of Energy and reduce/roll up the remaining functions under Department of Interior.
6. Get the US Army Corps of Engineers back to oversight of real navigable water ways, not rivers/creeks in states that are not feasible for commercial traffic.
7. Congressional term limits. Greatly reduce pensions for elected officials. Put in incentives for Congress to not be a life time career.
8. Axe TSA. Let local cops do their jobs. Quit feeling up Grandmaw.
9. Take a meat axe to DoD. Fire lots of flag ranks and get rid of so many redundant 'Commands' and the waste of assets that keeps them afloat. Get the various components down to more combat related units and less bloat. Get the warriors back and ditch all the DEI nonsense. We won WWII with less that 10 each 4 Star Generals/Admirals. Why do we need 100 of them now?
10. Get rid of public sector unions, at least at the Federal level. For starters.

These are just off the top of my head.

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Gut Unemployment.

"unless disabled you have three weeks to find a job, after week 1 your handout is cut 50%, after week 2 your handout is cut another 25%, after week 3 well see you bussing the tables at the restaurant."

So friggin crazy to see so many tables unused at restaurants because they don't have enough staff.

agwrestler said:

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Logos Stick said:

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We should see almost 1,000,000 bureaucrats fired by Trump. That's about a third. 98% of them fall under his direct control.

Jackson fired about 15% during his term; this bloodletting will definitely exceed that.

I expect Marc Elias to go full lawfare on their behalf.

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Give them relocation packages to the new offices in Oklahoma, and turn Maryland Red for '26.

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Don't Maryland my Oklahoma

Fitch said:

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One of the smarter things they're doing is making the input public and posting the "silliest" misuses of money. Getting the public engaged, creating a posting board where the information is accessible by legacy media, etc. all helps get the populace aligned on the necessity of making cuts, which in turn relieves the pressure from politicians having to actually make decisions.

Should be interesting to follow along with over the next year or so.

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Are these proposals on a website somewhere? Would be interesting to read…

JFABNRGR said:

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WBBQ74 said:

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There is so much that the Feds are doing that we don't need, or need as much. Some ideas:

1. Axe Department of Education. No more welfare for universities that inflates tuition costs. If a student needs a loan to go to college, they get it from a bank. Just like everyone else. Too many folks are just hanging out in universities getting useless degrees anyway.
2. Axe Department of Veteran Affairs. Any veteran, either retired or medically retired, gets an ID that can be used at any hospital/medical facility for whatever they need. Sell all the VA hospitals. The VA loan apparatus along with Disability determinations rolls back under SecDef where it belongs.
3. Greatly reduce EPA and OSHA. Put most all of their 'functions' back to the States.
4. Consolidate the various civilian Intelligence agencies into one.
5. Axe Department of Energy and reduce/roll up the remaining functions under Department of Interior.
6. Get the US Army Corps of Engineers back to oversight of real navigable water ways, not rivers/creeks in states that are not feasible for commercial traffic.
7. Congressional term limits. Greatly reduce pensions for elected officials. Put in incentives for Congress to not be a life time career.
8. Axe TSA. Let local cops do their jobs. Quit feeling up Grandmaw.
9. Take a meat axe to DoD. Fire lots of flag ranks and get rid of so many redundant 'Commands' and the waste of assets that keeps them afloat. Get the various components down to more combat related units and less bloat. Get the warriors back and ditch all the DEI nonsense. We won WWII with less that 10 each 4 Star Generals/Admirals. Why do we need 100 of them now?
10. Get rid of public sector unions, at least at the Federal level. For starters.

These are just off the top of my head.

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Gut Unemployment.

"unless disabled you have three weeks to find a job, after week 1 your handout is cut 50%, after week 2 your handout is cut another 25%, after week 3 well see you bussing the tables at the restaurant."

So friggin crazy to see so many tables unused at restaurants because they don't have enough staff.

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I never thought about cutting unemployment, but that's a great idea. Six months is way too long to need to find a job. Every restaurant needs dishwashers and every convenience store is always hiring.

Just because you lost your six figure salary job that doesn't mean you can't take a minimum wage job until you find the right one.

If this was a company with shareholders the thought of giving out a year's severance would never have even come up. Give them 3 months and that's it.

William Foster said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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William Foster said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Any severance above 6 months is stupid. Welcome to the real world in finding a job that expects you to actually work and show up.

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In reality though, how will the private job market handle absorbing A MILLION recently unemployed people? That's a lot of people entering the workforce.

To be clear...I do not care for these people or have sympathy...but does this negativel;y affect the economy, or me and my family somehow?

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They can learn to code.

I don't have the answer to your question. But I know this, they will have to make some hard decisions and sacrifices to get back into the workforce that actually makes your work.

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True, but I just don't see anything close to a million available jobs in an already stagnant market over the next few years. Once severance runs out, many going to be applying for welfare...it's either that or live in the streets or flee to a diff country or pivot to a life of crime it seems.

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They're on welfare now. Adapt!

No Spin Ag said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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WBBQ74 said:

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There is so much that the Feds are doing that we don't need, or need as much. Some ideas:

1. Axe Department of Education. No more welfare for universities that inflates tuition costs. If a student needs a loan to go to college, they get it from a bank. Just like everyone else. Too many folks are just hanging out in universities getting useless degrees anyway.
2. Axe Department of Veteran Affairs. Any veteran, either retired or medically retired, gets an ID that can be used at any hospital/medical facility for whatever they need. Sell all the VA hospitals. The VA loan apparatus along with Disability determinations rolls back under SecDef where it belongs.
3. Greatly reduce EPA and OSHA. Put most all of their 'functions' back to the States.
4. Consolidate the various civilian Intelligence agencies into one.
5. Axe Department of Energy and reduce/roll up the remaining functions under Department of Interior.
6. Get the US Army Corps of Engineers back to oversight of real navigable water ways, not rivers/creeks in states that are not feasible for commercial traffic.
7. Congressional term limits. Greatly reduce pensions for elected officials. Put in incentives for Congress to not be a life time career.
8. Axe TSA. Let local cops do their jobs. Quit feeling up Grandmaw.
9. Take a meat axe to DoD. Fire lots of flag ranks and get rid of so many redundant 'Commands' and the waste of assets that keeps them afloat. Get the various components down to more combat related units and less bloat. Get the warriors back and ditch all the DEI nonsense. We won WWII with less that 10 each 4 Star Generals/Admirals. Why do we need 100 of them now?
10. Get rid of public sector unions, at least at the Federal level. For starters.

These are just off the top of my head.

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Gut Unemployment.

"unless disabled you have three weeks to find a job, after week 1 your handout is cut 50%, after week 2 your handout is cut another 25%, after week 3 well see you bussing the tables at the restaurant."

So friggin crazy to see so many tables unused at restaurants because they don't have enough staff.

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I never thought about cutting unemployment, but that's a great idea. Six months is way too long to need to find a job. Every restaurant needs dishwashers and every convenience store is always hiring.

Just because you lost your six figure salary job that doesn't mean you can't take a minimum wage job until you find the right one.

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The higher the pay, the longer the job search. This has always been true. DOesn't mean you shouldn't have socked stuff away for emergencies. I think its a bit more nuanced but 100% needs to be cleaned up. People do game it.

MBAR AG said:

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The DC Metro office market will have an unusual correction. Most will have long term government leases with no tenants. The cost cutting will have a lag due to the leases, serverance packages, and pensions. WTS, there will be a notable drop in cost in years two and three.

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As a participant in the service sector to this economic cohort, I can tell you the office and retail markets have been in decline for a couple decades and its accelerated during the pandemic here in the DC region, it slowly picked up subsequently, nothing close to what it was since.

Good thing I'm in retirement mode.

25% of personnel leave the first month when they are asked to come to work 5 days a week.

After that agencies must only get money to do what Congress approved. So continuous budget resolutions must end.

Every new Agency and Department head will submit a plan in 3 months to reduce staff, office space, and budget to comply with congressional approval. Minimum reduction to start is 40percent.

Disposition of federal real property and leases that are not used is going to take a lot more than 2 years. Average lease is 7 years. Not sure how to do this quickly.

Build It said:

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25% of personnel leave the first month when they are asked to come to work 5 days a week.

After that agencies must only get money to do what Congress approved. So continuous budget resolutions must end.

Every new Agency and Department head will submit a plan in 3 months to reduce staff, office space, and budget to comply with congressional approval. Minimum reduction to start is 40percent.

Disposition of federal real property and leases that are not used is going to take a lot more than 2 years. Average lease is 7 years. Not sure how to do this quickly.

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Just put all the illegals awaiting trial in the abandoned buildings

javajaws said:

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If this was a company with shareholders the thought of giving out a year's severance would never have even come up. Give them 3 months and that's it.

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1 week per year of service is enough

Tell them the same thing the Dems told pipeline/O and G workers/coal miners…..LEARN TO CODE.

javajaws said:

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If this was a company with shareholders the thought of giving out a year's severance would never have even come up. Give them 3 months and that's it.

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Most Fortune 1000's are giving ~3 months and then a week for each year of service after that. 32% of Fed employees are over 55. Between no backfills and targeting that group with some kind of special pension incentives likely gets massive numbers of folks out.

William Foster said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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William Foster said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Any severance above 6 months is stupid. Welcome to the real world in finding a job that expects you to actually work and show up.

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In reality though, how will the private job market handle absorbing A MILLION recently unemployed people? That's a lot of people entering the workforce.

To be clear...I do not care for these people or have sympathy...but does this negativel;y affect the economy, or me and my family somehow?

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They can learn to code.

I don't have the answer to your question. But I know this, they will have to make some hard decisions and sacrifices to get back into the workforce that actually makes your work.

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True, but I just don't see anything close to a million available jobs in an already stagnant market over the next few years. Once severance runs out, many going to be applying for welfare...it's either that or live in the streets or flee to a diff country or pivot to a life of crime it seems.

Again, I am completely for this....just trying to think ahead in terms of how it impacts society. I hope everyone can just be peacefully absorbed over the course of a few years...but that is A LOT of people seeking employment at once.

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They could learn to code ........

Article 2 section 2

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.



I think the above coupled with the Chevron ruling is where they will approach the issue from first.

bet in 2028 the us government is even larger than today


Despite campaign promises to the contrary, Trump opened the contract and grant spigots instead, adding more than 2 million jobs to the blended federal workforce, including 1 million in the Departments of Defense, Transportation, and Health and Human Services alone.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-true-size-of-government-is-nearing-a-record-high/

Additionally, revoke any future retirement benefits. Pay back whatever they paid in but disallow them from being able to collect a pension of any kind. This is a perfect opportunity to begin sunsetting federal pensions.