Is there a difference between 'Indian' and 'Native American'?

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infinity ag
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Biz Ag said:

I was having my hearing checked when I was a kid. Doc used some kind of nasal spray to clear out my sinuses.

I said it stinks.

He said, no it smells.

I relayed this to my Dad who told me, "the next time tell him it stinks and that he smells."

Ha this is a good one! Your dad is pretty sharp.
CDUB98
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IMO, the best descriptor would be what other countries use, First Nations.
TyHolden
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CDUB98 said:

TyHolden said:

Christopher Columbus went searching for India.
Finds America.
Meets Indians.
He's like....


I chortled.

My Indian buddy told me that joke.
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Towns03 said:

My kid was marked incorrect on a test answer this week. Her answer, "Indians", was marked incorrect and the teacher wrote in "Native Americans" in red pen to offer the correct response as feedback.

My question is what's the difference??

I understand that some claim the term 'indians' is offensive, but using the same logic shouldn't 'native americans' be offensive too? Where did the name 'America' come from? -An italian explorer. And 'native is an English word.

Is this just stupidity dressed as wokeness? Should I get another dog? Is there another take on this? What good can come from an email to the teacher? I hate to think what kind of indoctrination is going on...



Indians is the correct term, despite the teachers opinion.

Columbus didn't call them Indians because he was looking for India. India didn't yet exist as India. It was Hindustan

Columbus called Indians "Los Ninos de'la'endeo" or children of God. Endeo became Indian.

There is no native American population. They, and we, all came from somewhere else.

So in reference to the people living in the Americas when Columbus arrived, Indian is a more proper term.
Esteban du Plantier
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I've been on several reservations in the last several years traveling in Arizona, Utah, South Dakota, New Mexico.

They call themselves Indians.
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HoustonAg2106
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TyHolden said:

Christopher Columbus went searching for India.
Finds America.
Meets Indians.
He's like....




Isn't that why they called them Indians, because they thought they landed in India?
Who?mikejones!
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No.

En deo- of God
Englishized- indian
javajaws
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TommyBrady said:

As a card holding blood member of the Choctaw Nation I find that only white liberals don't like the word Indians.

This is my tribal ID card which has Indian Affairs on it and then also declares how much "Indian Blood" I have.

Sounds like your teacher needs to stop virtue signaling and thinking she knows what we like to be called.



That's the metaphorical equivalent of a tomahawk chop to that teacher's head!
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mandevilleag
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MouthBQ98 said:

There are no native Americans. There are descendants of first peoples who migrated into the Americas from Asia approximately 18,000 to 16,000 years ago but no species of genus Homo had before existed in the Americans. We are a migratory native invasive. We came in multiple waves separated for a long time but by changing climate.
There's also the Solutrean hypothesis that about 20,000 yrs ago people from the Solutrean region of France migrated across the Atlantic on ice pack.
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MouthBQ98 said:

There are no native Americans. There are descendants of first peoples who migrated into the Americas from Asia approximately 18,000 to 16,000 years ago but no species of genus Homo had before existed in the Americans. We are a migratory native invasive. We came in multiple waves separated for a long time but by changing climate.



That's a stupid argument. If that's your take, then there are no native peoples to anywhere.

Do you prefer "First Nation" like the Canadians use?

They have been here long enough and first to be considered native.





Towns03
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infinity ag said:

Towns03 said:

My kid was marked incorrect on a test answer this week. Her answer, "Indians", was marked incorrect and the teacher wrote in "Native Americans" in red pen to offer the correct response as feedback.

My question is what's the difference??

I understand that some claim the term 'indians' is offensive, but using the same logic shouldn't 'native americans' be offensive too? Where did the name 'America' come from? -An italian explorer. And 'native is an English word.

Is this just stupidity dressed as wokeness? Should I get another dog? Is there another take on this? What good can come from an email to the teacher? I hate to think what kind of indoctrination is going on...



Calling native Americans as "Indians" is wrong. India is in Asia. It was never in the West. Yes, there is a India, TX but that is not it.

In the middle ages, explorers from Europe came to today's America and thought they reached India as they were looking for trade. They called the locals "Indians". Dumbasses being dumbasses.

They should be called Native Americans or whatever other word they prefer. Not Indians.

To answer your Q, "Indians is NOT offensive, it is WRONG.
Whether "native Americans" is offensive or not, you have to ask a feather. I would say it is not incorrect and not offensive.

someone above had an interesting post that explains where 'indians' as a word came from.

My point is that calling these people 'Americans', native or otherwise, is just as incorrect as calling them 'Indians'. we're just assigning these people a name that they weren't using and that's not even in their language(s). So why is the teacher pushing one made up term over another?

CDUB98
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So why is the teacher pushing one made up term over another?
Because, there is only one approved term allowed by the all-knowing gov't, and your kid will use it or ruined.

It's the same thing Marxists try to do to us adults.
Who?mikejones!
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It's true though. There's practically one native people.

Everyone else can trace back to somewhere else. "Native Americans" were certainly not native to America, at least not anymore than you are
infinity ag
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Esteban du Plantier said:

I've been on several reservations in the last several years traveling in Arizona, Utah, South Dakota, New Mexico.

They call themselves Indians.

That is because they don't know any better.

Even many blacks call themselves n***** (I won't say it as I am not a racist)
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TommyBrady said:

As a card holding blood member of the Choctaw Nation I find that only white liberals don't like the word Indians.

This is my tribal ID card which has Indian Affairs on it and then also declares how much "Indian Blood" I have.

Sounds like your teacher needs to stop virtue signaling and thinking she knows what we like to be called.



I'd be willing to wager every single public school textbook now refers to them as 'Native Americans'. The only reason the term 'Indian' was even used was because they thought they landed on the wrong continent.

I don't agree with it either, but I wouldn't call it 'virtue signaling'. That's been way way overused. And I say this as a card holding blood member of the U.S. Nation.
CrackerJackAg
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So you are going back and basically claiming we are all African.

It's not a clever argument. Everyone knows we all came from Africa.

To claim that a people with first contact with a region and 20,000 years of residency don't qualify as native is being cheeky over terminology at best.

To me this argument always smacks of Americans being touchy about brown people.
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Who?mikejones! said:

It's true though. There's practically one native people.

Everyone else can trace back to somewhere else. "Native Americans" were certainly not native to America, at least not anymore than you are


Besides, just give it to them. They've had a pretty tough 300 years.

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you can call them "native Americans" if you wish. I certainly don't care. But, i'm as much a "native American" as any Indian.

Indian is a proper descriptor of the people who lived here when Columbus arrived. It certainly as valid as native American. And that's the point of the OP. His kid was docked points for choosing Indian over native American which is at best, historically inaccurate, and at worst, some sort of white guilt nonsense
CrackerJackAg
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Who?mikejones! said:

you can call them "native Americans" if you wish. I certainly don't care. But, i'm as much a "native American" as any Indian.

Indian is a proper descriptor of the people who lived here when Columbus arrived. It certainly as valid as native American. And that's the point of the OP. His kid was docked points for choosing Indian over native American which is at best, historically inaccurate, and at worst, some sort of white guilt nonsense


I personally don't give a ***** I don't even know any Native Americans. Can't tell you the last time I saw one. Much less two of them together.

I just think it's funny when Americans get all touchy about it.

I'm curious… How long have your people been here for you to consider yourself native?

Do you consider the Palestinians native to Jerusalem?

I don't. I'm just curious how you are doing the mental gymnastics to make everything work out for you.
trailrunner
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Indigenous peoples you colonist!!!!

LOL
BQ78
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So why is the all knowing government calling it the Bureau of Indian Affairs?

And why is it still the NAACP?

Come on woksters get more woke!
Who?mikejones!
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My family traces back to the Pilgrims. You tell me how long ones clan must be on a land before they are considered "native."

Back to a previous point- I do think the Canadians have a more accurate name than we do for the Indians.

I'm also not sure i understand your obsession with race. This has nothing to do with the color of their skin. At least not for me.
Towns03
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CrackerJackAg said:

Who?mikejones! said:

you can call them "native Americans" if you wish. I certainly don't care. But, i'm as much a "native American" as any Indian.

Indian is a proper descriptor of the people who lived here when Columbus arrived. It certainly as valid as native American. And that's the point of the OP. His kid was docked points for choosing Indian over native American which is at best, historically inaccurate, and at worst, some sort of white guilt nonsense


I personally don't give a ***** I don't even know any Native Americans. Can't tell you the last time I saw one. Much less two of them together.

I just think it's funny when Americans get all touchy about it.

I'm curious… How long have your people been here for you to consider yourself native?

Do you consider the Palestinians native to Jerusalem?

I don't. I'm just curious how you are doing the mental gymnastics to make everything work out for you.

I'm not touchy about it - it just doesn't make sense. If you're an Indian who doesn't like the term Indian, why would you be OK with being called an American? -named after some Italian explorer who 'found' where you were living??
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infinity ag said:

MouthBQ98 said:

There are no native Americans. There are descendants of first peoples who migrated into the Americas from Asia approximately 18,000 to 16,000 years ago but no species of genus Homo had before existed in the Americans. We are a migratory native invasive. We came in multiple waves separated for a long time but by changing climate.

Yes, we are all Ethiopians. All migrated 1000000 odd years ago.
Some of us, though, developed over the last 1000000 years.
CrackerJackAg
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I'm sure that anybody would like to be called the name that they called themselves. Which was neither American, Indian or Native etc….

Those are all names that were given to them by later people.

I doubt whatever bull***t name that somebody else comes up with really makes a difference to them.
CrackerJackAg
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Homo Sapiens have only existed a few hundred thousand years. You basically didn't exist before then.

I'm pretty sure everyone has evolved so not sure how that makes a difference. I don't understand what point you are attempting to make.
Sid Farkas
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My family first arrived at NY harbor in 1653.

I am Native American.
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CW Griswold said:

The department of the federal government responsible for administering policies relating to Indian/Native American affairs is called the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Sounds like your kid has a typical politicaly correct teacher.

https://www.bia.gov/

Time for a parent-teacher conference
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Towns03 said:

My kid was marked incorrect on a test answer this week. Her answer, "Indians", was marked incorrect and the teacher wrote in "Native Americans" in red pen to offer the correct response as feedback.

My question is what's the difference??

I understand that some claim the term 'indians' is offensive, but using the same logic shouldn't 'native americans' be offensive too? Where did the name 'America' come from? -An italian explorer. And 'native is an English word.

Is this just stupidity dressed as wokeness? Should I get another dog? Is there another take on this? What good can come from an email to the teacher? I hate to think what kind of indoctrination is going on...


OMG. Put this on Fox news. The horror.
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ABATTBQ87 said:



Quote:

Iron Eyes Cody (born Espera Oscar de Corti, April 3, 1904 January 4, 1999) was an American actor of Sicilian descent who portrayed Native Americans in Hollywood films,[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody#cite_note-snopes-2][2][/url] including the role of Chief Iron Eyes in Bob Hope's The Paleface (1948). He also played a Native American shedding a tear about pollution in one of the country's most well-known television public service announcements from the group Keep America Beautiful.
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Sid Farkas said:

My family first arrived at NY harbor in 1653.

I am Native American.
You aren't.

There is literally scientific evidence that verifies there were people in Texas 13,000 years ago.
jja79
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I saw this thread and laughed at the stupidity of the teacher. Drove up the street and took this picture today.
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rather be fishing said:

Sid Farkas said:

My family first arrived at NY harbor in 1653.

I am Native American.
You aren't.

There is literally scientific evidence that verifies there were people in Texas 13,000 years ago.


Did they spontaneously appear in what is now Texas? or did they migrate from the place from which they are actually indigenous?

As far as I'm concerned, 370 years is enough to consider myself indigenous.
 
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