*****Official TRUMP v HARRIS Debate Thread*****

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5:04p, 9/10/24
Newsome only does well in debates if you're an idiot that doesn't realize that his responses are all canned statistics that aren't even responsive to the point at issue at least 75% of the time.

DeSantis: More people have left California in your tenure as governor than at any time in history.
Newsome: California had more net migration than Florida did last year!!!
DeSantis: We weren't talking about Florida, we're talking about how ****ty California is and how many people are leaving. California also has twice as many people as Florida, so it's not surprising that more people, in absolute numbers, moved to California than Florida.
Newsome: California produced more wine than Florida did last year too!!
DeSantis: Uhhhhh.....
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5:19p, 9/10/24
She will play the woman card, victim card and say poor me, look at big bad orange man pushing out a woman like me.

Or

She will say Donald is so intimidated by a strong bold accomplished woman. (I never understood why women think men are intimidated of them. Really. They need to grow the hell up. No one is scared of you, lady).
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In reply to Muy • 5:20p, 9/10/24
Muy said:
How to die of alcohol poisoning….


Looks like viewership will die off before the first commercial break.
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In reply to Psycho Bunny • 5:20p, 9/10/24
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My man.
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 5:26p, 9/10/24
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No Spin Ag said:
Muy said:
How to die of alcohol poisoning….


Looks like viewership will die off before the first commercial break.
LOL. Could be true.
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5:32p, 9/10/24
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To repeat my earlier post, come on Ags, just 16 more posts needed

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This thread may have been a little premature. At this rate it'll be at least 200 replies before the debate.
I have nothing to add except a meaningless post to get us to two hundred by 8:00pm Central

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In reply to CanyonAg77 • 5:35p, 9/10/24
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To repeat my earlier post, come on Ags, just 16 more posts needed

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This thread may have been a little premature. At this rate it'll be at least 200 replies before the debate.
I have nothing to add except a meaningless post to get us to two hundred by 8:00pm Central

ok
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CanyonAg77 said:
To repeat my earlier post, come on Ags, just 16 more posts needed

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This thread may have been a little premature. At this rate it'll be at least 200 replies before the debate.
I have nothing to add except a meaningless post to get us to two hundred by 8:00pm Central

ok
i like the gif
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5:40p, 9/10/24
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Somebody make a meme for me, in knock-knock joke form.

Dem: Knock, knock.
Surf: Who's there?
Dem: Kamala Harris.
Surf: Kama....
Dem: I'M SPEAKING!!!!
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5:41p, 9/10/24
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5:49p, 9/10/24
AG
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 6:03p, 9/10/24
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Wabs said:
Question for Kamala:

For the average American out there, can you define unrealized gains, why you want to tax them, and how do you think that will affect investments?

Will never ever happen but one can dream.
  • It's never happening.
  • "Unrealized gains" is pretty easy to define - the change in value of a stock, bond or other asset you have purchased but not yet sold.
  • Why would you want to tax them? There's already a common unrealized tax in America. For instance, many Americans already pay taxes on unrealized gains if you own a home. My home value has increased since I purchased it (according to the county), but I've never sold. Yet my property taxes are increasing in step with my paper gain. This is a tax on an unrealized gain. And if the Market suddenly plummeted and I was forced to sell at a loss, I don't get any recompense for the prior years of taxes I was paying on the unrealized gain.
    • But I think the aim of this proposal isn't to hit ordinary Americans, but the truly wealthy who not only perpetuate their wealth, but grow it on what is called the "Buy, Borrow, Die" cycle. Essentially; Wealthy family buys stocks, bonds, real estate, art, or other high-value assets. They strategically hold on to these assets and allows them to grow in value. The family won't owe tax on the growth in the assets' value unless it sells them and makes a profit. Wealthy family borrows against its assets' growing value and uses the newly available cash to live off or invest in other assets, like rental properties. The family does NOT owe taxes on its asset-leveraged loans because the government doesn't tax borrowed money. Wealthy family uses its untaxed wealth to access significant amounts of untaxed cash to continue to grow its wealth, untaxed, indefinitely. Wealthy parents or benefactors of the family keep the original appreciated assets until their death, leaving those assets to an heir. Neither the current federal or local tax code require the original asset holders or the heir to pay taxes on the growth in value up to that point. Instead, the tax code wipes out any tax liability for the capital gains by "stepping up" the baseline value of the assets from the original price to their value at the time of the benefactors' death. This enables the wealthy family's heirs to altogether avoid taxes on the increased value of stocks, real estate, and valuable artwork. <I believe this proposal is meant to attack THIS specific problem due to the $100m threshold.
  • Again, it's NEVER happening.
And that excuses it !!!!

She proposed it dude. So as a democrat with a left of center posting history. Are you saying she is a total idiot and her proposal was so awful that even those with only a rudimentary understanding of economics would be appalled-- Thus its Never happening.

At the end of the day she put that trash and other garbage out there in one of the very few public policy statements she bothered to make.

No wonder her handlers wanted her to keep her commie mouth shut. What is said cant be undone.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 6:09p, 9/10/24
Never say never. Dems never waste a chance to get extra money from tax payers. Why not go after unrealized gains. The only problem her people had with Kamala saying it, it was said out loud.
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In reply to Hullabaloonatic • 6:13p, 9/10/24
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Hullabaloonatic said:
Wabs said:
Question for Kamala:

For the average American out there, can you define unrealized gains, why you want to tax them, and how do you think that will affect investments?

Will never ever happen but one can dream.
  • It's never happening.
  • "Unrealized gains" is pretty easy to define - the change in value of a stock, bond or other asset you have purchased but not yet sold.
  • Why would you want to tax them? There's already a common unrealized tax in America. For instance, many Americans already pay taxes on unrealized gains if you own a home. My home value has increased since I purchased it (according to the county), but I've never sold. Yet my property taxes are increasing in step with my paper gain. This is a tax on an unrealized gain. And if the Market suddenly plummeted and I was forced to sell at a loss, I don't get any recompense for the prior years of taxes I was paying on the unrealized gain.
    • But I think the aim of this proposal isn't to hit ordinary Americans, but the truly wealthy who not only perpetuate their wealth, but grow it on what is called the "Buy, Borrow, Die" cycle. Essentially; Wealthy family buys stocks, bonds, real estate, art, or other high-value assets. They strategically hold on to these assets and allows them to grow in value. The family won't owe tax on the growth in the assets' value unless it sells them and makes a profit. Wealthy family borrows against its assets' growing value and uses the newly available cash to live off or invest in other assets, like rental properties. The family does NOT owe taxes on its asset-leveraged loans because the government doesn't tax borrowed money. Wealthy family uses its untaxed wealth to access significant amounts of untaxed cash to continue to grow its wealth, untaxed, indefinitely. Wealthy parents or benefactors of the family keep the original appreciated assets until their death, leaving those assets to an heir. Neither the current federal or local tax code require the original asset holders or the heir to pay taxes on the growth in value up to that point. Instead, the tax code wipes out any tax liability for the capital gains by "stepping up" the baseline value of the assets from the original price to their value at the time of the benefactors' death. This enables the wealthy family's heirs to altogether avoid taxes on the increased value of stocks, real estate, and valuable artwork. <I believe this proposal is meant to attack THIS specific problem due to the $100m threshold.
  • Again, it's NEVER happening.


We do not pay unrealized gains on homes. That is a lie.

A lot of taxes that the middle class pay started off targeting "just the rich."
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 6:15p, 9/10/24
Yet.
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So, after 50 days of being the nominee, Harris finally puts up a policy page yesterday on her website and it turns out she literally just copied and pasted from Joe Biden's campaign website. Go to the website and view the source code for yourself.

She may be the laziest communist ever. Trump needs to call this out. Bootstrap her to everything Biden. When she tries to distance herself from Joe drag her bag in. Remind her and the viewers that her day one was over three years ago


https://newrepublic.com/post/185719/kamala-harris-policy-platform-copy-paste-biden-metadata









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6:26p, 9/10/24
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This debate is really simple :

If Trump comes out all misogynist (women are beneath him) and tells us over and over how wonderful he is and how everyone loves him - he loses the election.

If he sticks to the issues and owns her ass on intelligence and reason like back when he did reality TV, he'll dominate.

It's just that simple to me.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 6:28p, 9/10/24
Coding is hard.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 6:29p, 9/10/24
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Waffledynamics said:
This thread may have been a little premature. At this rate it'll be at least 200 replies before the debate.
Almost there!
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 6:29p, 9/10/24
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
Wabs said:
Question for Kamala:

For the average American out there, can you define unrealized gains, why you want to tax them, and how do you think that will affect investments?

Will never ever happen but one can dream.
  • It's never happening.
  • "Unrealized gains" is pretty easy to define - the change in value of a stock, bond or other asset you have purchased but not yet sold.
  • Why would you want to tax them? There's already a common unrealized tax in America. For instance, many Americans already pay taxes on unrealized gains if you own a home. My home value has increased since I purchased it (according to the county), but I've never sold. Yet my property taxes are increasing in step with my paper gain. This is a tax on an unrealized gain. And if the Market suddenly plummeted and I was forced to sell at a loss, I don't get any recompense for the prior years of taxes I was paying on the unrealized gain.
    • But I think the aim of this proposal isn't to hit ordinary Americans, but the truly wealthy who not only perpetuate their wealth, but grow it on what is called the "Buy, Borrow, Die" cycle. Essentially; Wealthy family buys stocks, bonds, real estate, art, or other high-value assets. They strategically hold on to these assets and allows them to grow in value. The family won't owe tax on the growth in the assets' value unless it sells them and makes a profit. Wealthy family borrows against its assets' growing value and uses the newly available cash to live off or invest in other assets, like rental properties. The family does NOT owe taxes on its asset-leveraged loans because the government doesn't tax borrowed money. Wealthy family uses its untaxed wealth to access significant amounts of untaxed cash to continue to grow its wealth, untaxed, indefinitely. Wealthy parents or benefactors of the family keep the original appreciated assets until their death, leaving those assets to an heir. Neither the current federal or local tax code require the original asset holders or the heir to pay taxes on the growth in value up to that point. Instead, the tax code wipes out any tax liability for the capital gains by "stepping up" the baseline value of the assets from the original price to their value at the time of the benefactors' death. This enables the wealthy family's heirs to altogether avoid taxes on the increased value of stocks, real estate, and valuable artwork. <I believe this proposal is meant to attack THIS specific problem due to the $100m threshold.
  • Again, it's NEVER happening.


We do not pay unrealized gains on homes. That is a lie.

A lot of taxes that the middle class pay started off targeting "just the rich."
They are called property taxes.
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6:30p, 9/10/24
My only question for Kamala is what she plans to do with the millions of warrior age Muslim men who want to enter this country. Their real intent is to impose Shariah and turn this country into an Islamic wasteland like the Middle East, and slowly Europe.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 6:31p, 9/10/24
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Ad valorem taxes are not taxes on unrealized gains. They are functionally different things.
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In reply to Wabs • 6:43p, 9/10/24
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Wabs said:
Question for Kamala:

For the average American out there, can you define unrealized gains, why you want to tax them, and how do you think that will affect investments?

Will never ever happen but one can dream.


"This is how we plan to steal farm land from individuals and transfer it to activist groups or the government."

She probably can't come out and say that despite it being part of the plan.
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6:49p, 9/10/24
lol I'm back bois
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6:53p, 9/10/24

Time to fish these out her purse.

Gonna need these to kick and level out.
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In reply to Stat Monitor Repairman • 6:58p, 9/10/24
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It's happening.

They've sold the family cow for magic beans.

Rubber meets the road; tonight.
2024.

It's come down to a candidate that claims to be black dousing with makeup to look whiter;

vs.

Old white dude dousing with tanner to look not as white.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE BABY!
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 7:00p, 9/10/24
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
Ad valorem taxes are not taxes on unrealized gains. They are functionally different things.

Tomato tomahto...
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:02p, 9/10/24
aggiehawg said:
Definitely Not A Cop said:
Hullabaloonatic said:
Wabs said:
Question for Kamala:

For the average American out there, can you define unrealized gains, why you want to tax them, and how do you think that will affect investments?

Will never ever happen but one can dream.
  • It's never happening.
  • "Unrealized gains" is pretty easy to define - the change in value of a stock, bond or other asset you have purchased but not yet sold.
  • Why would you want to tax them? There's already a common unrealized tax in America. For instance, many Americans already pay taxes on unrealized gains if you own a home. My home value has increased since I purchased it (according to the county), but I've never sold. Yet my property taxes are increasing in step with my paper gain. This is a tax on an unrealized gain. And if the Market suddenly plummeted and I was forced to sell at a loss, I don't get any recompense for the prior years of taxes I was paying on the unrealized gain.
    • But I think the aim of this proposal isn't to hit ordinary Americans, but the truly wealthy who not only perpetuate their wealth, but grow it on what is called the "Buy, Borrow, Die" cycle. Essentially; Wealthy family buys stocks, bonds, real estate, art, or other high-value assets. They strategically hold on to these assets and allows them to grow in value. The family won't owe tax on the growth in the assets' value unless it sells them and makes a profit. Wealthy family borrows against its assets' growing value and uses the newly available cash to live off or invest in other assets, like rental properties. The family does NOT owe taxes on its asset-leveraged loans because the government doesn't tax borrowed money. Wealthy family uses its untaxed wealth to access significant amounts of untaxed cash to continue to grow its wealth, untaxed, indefinitely. Wealthy parents or benefactors of the family keep the original appreciated assets until their death, leaving those assets to an heir. Neither the current federal or local tax code require the original asset holders or the heir to pay taxes on the growth in value up to that point. Instead, the tax code wipes out any tax liability for the capital gains by "stepping up" the baseline value of the assets from the original price to their value at the time of the benefactors' death. This enables the wealthy family's heirs to altogether avoid taxes on the increased value of stocks, real estate, and valuable artwork. <I believe this proposal is meant to attack THIS specific problem due to the $100m threshold.
  • Again, it's NEVER happening.


We do not pay unrealized gains on homes. That is a lie.

A lot of taxes that the middle class pay started off targeting "just the rich."
They are called property taxes.

Except in Texas our property tax rate is 1/10th of that. We also have examptions, such as homeowners, agricultural use, etc. Taxing unrealized gains is a money and land grab by the government. Print money to inflate values, then tax you out of your property. This movie doesn't end well for anyone except for a small ruling class.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 7:03p, 9/10/24
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
Ad valorem taxes are not taxes on unrealized gains. They are functionally different things.

I'm not sure I see the difference. An ad valorem tax is tax on the estimated value of property. An unrealized gains tax would be a tax on the estimated value of equities. What am I missing?
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7:09p, 9/10/24
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So Kamala's podium is smaller than Trump's. Lol
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Bob Lee said:
So Kamala's podium is smaller than Trump's. Lol


I don't think that's going to convey the message they are hoping for.
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Bob Lee said:
So Kamala's podium is smaller than Trump's. Lol
I don't think that's going to convey the message they are hoping for.
They might've overthinked that.

Probably sounded good in a conference room somewhere.
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7:14p, 9/10/24
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She already knows all the questions!!!
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