I think that Republicans have attracted all the voters they can attract. Illegals are only going to vote for free handouts and the black vote…well, lol.

The only way to attract more is to do a 180 on abortion. What a world. We have to support allowing women to murder their own children to have a chance at winning national elections.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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Its almost like the media and your side specifically target these candidates. Wonder why?

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My side? Please describe "my side".

This should be amazing.

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So concerned. So moderate. A true hero in the world of politics. You should be proud of yourself.

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I'm moderate?

In what way am I moderate? Are you aware of where I stand on a single issue besides believing Glorious Leader is a clown?

The "concerned moderate" moniker hurled at anyone that doesn't genuflect before the altar of MAGA is such lazy and childish thinking. It's up there with RINO and Swamp Creature. F16s lack or originality is shocking.

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Yet your retort is "MAGA worship."

Continue to bow to the alter of public perception and gleefully turn over power to left all while you insure your don't ruffle any feathers by daring to support the bad orange man. Such courage.

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Again, how am I a moderate?

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You'll likely vote against Trump (probably for the second or third time) because of some BS reason that makes zero sense economically or socially.

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I've stated I thought Trump is a clown. I asked for a specific issue in which I'm a moderate.

As for my voting… I live in Colorado which is deeply blue thus a vote for Trump would be pointless regardless. If l lived in a swing state I'd hold my nose and vote for the pig.

Again, how am I a moderate?

Actually, I'll let you off the hook as we all know you can't actually answer the question beyond "you have TDS!". I know this is probably beyond your ability to comprehend but there are a metric s**t ton of real conservatives out there that aren't MAGA and truly grasp how bad it is for the conservative ideology. And should Trump lose again I'm hoping this number grows to the point of putting this MAGA silliness behind us so we can get back to being serious.

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What's your biggest issue with Trump?

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I think that Republicans have attracted all the voters they can attract. Illegals are only going to vote for free handouts and the black vote…well, lol.

The only way to attract more is to do a 180 on abortion. What a world. We have to support allowing women to murder their own children to have a chance at winning national elections.

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I am afraid you are right. Until a major news/late show host/celebrity shift towards family and conservative values happens, the outlook will be bleak.

Always had to go down this road. We are never going back. This whole thing has to blow up before something better has a chance of emerging.

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Ha. Good luck getting an actual answer. I've tried.

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You have gotten the answer several times but you continue to ignore it.

Your only definite stance is anti-Trump. You excuse away your voting record because "it's not a swing state." You care more about public perception than you do any issues. You are fine with losing ground as long as you are against the orange man.

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Oh look another bleeding thread GOP will take the senate

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Yes they will, likely 51. With more resources and stronger headwinds the GOP could have ended this cycle at 55. If you take into account the seats they should not have lost in Georgia they could be at 57.


If you don't understand the leverage democrats gain with a 51 GOP senate versus 57, you should read up on it.

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Stronger headwinds?? Constant 24 hour media bashing of the gop especially with the Roe V Wade decision hurts the gop , i do think they got more than 51

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Which is why the GOP needs more money. Money at the state level can overcome national media narratives at the ballot box. You gotta have the resources. Trump is only a coattail candidate in 25 states. I wish this was not the case. It did not have to be this way. There has always been a path for Trump to harness the energy of his populist movement and kept most GOP money in the fold. He has single handedly destroyed Arizona. That's two other Senate seats that could still be in GOP hands. Alot of long time GOP money is sitting on the sidelines on Arizona. Ideological purity gets you nowhere, especially when you crap all over the dead longtime Senator that controlled politics in the state.

Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Theres nothing energizing or hopeful in the republican message just how horrible everything is. We focus on nothing but issues that really just wear people out and drive them away instead of trying to message what good we could do as a party.

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the other side runs on open borders and inflation (massive govt spending + attacking the energy industry), and yet people vote because they're told their opponents will end democracy and take away your right to crush fetus skulls.

spurring growth and slowing inflation with less government spending, lower taxes, a less burdensome regulatory environment is a positive message. Securing the border is a positive message of what good the party will do. these are energizing and hopeful and these are the messages. they are failing to muh baby murdering healthcare rights.

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Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Yes. More moderate

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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uhhhh, she's like Trump with a vag

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Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Yes. More moderate

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Would you like to win or continue to be relegated to yelling at the clouds about how unfair everything is?

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Theres nothing energizing or hopeful in the republican message just how horrible everything is. We focus on nothing but issues that really just wear people out and drive them away instead of trying to message what good we could do as a party.

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the other side runs on open borders and inflation (massive govt spending + attacking the energy industry), and yet people vote because they're told their opponents will end democracy and take away your right to crush fetus skulls.

spurring growth and slowing inflation with less government spending, lower taxes, a less burdensome regulatory environment is a positive message. Securing the border is a positive message of what good the party will do. these are energizing and hopeful and these are the messages. they are failing to muh baby murdering healthcare rights.

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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Its almost like the media and your side specifically target these candidates. Wonder why?

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My side? Please describe "my side".

This should be amazing.

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So concerned. So moderate. A true hero in the world of politics. You should be proud of yourself.

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I'm moderate?

In what way am I moderate? Are you aware of where I stand on a single issue besides believing Glorious Leader is a clown?

The "concerned moderate" moniker hurled at anyone that doesn't genuflect before the altar of MAGA is such lazy and childish thinking. It's up there with RINO and Swamp Creature. F16s lack or originality is shocking.

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Yet your retort is "MAGA worship."

Continue to bow to the alter of public perception and gleefully turn over power to left all while you insure your don't ruffle any feathers by daring to support the bad orange man. Such courage.

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Again, how am I a moderate?

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You'll likely vote against Trump (probably for the second or third time) because of some BS reason that makes zero sense economically or socially.

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I've stated I thought Trump is a clown. I asked for a specific issue in which I'm a moderate.

As for my voting… I live in Colorado which is deeply blue thus a vote for Trump would be pointless regardless. If l lived in a swing state I'd hold my nose and vote for the pig.

Again, how am I a moderate?

Actually, I'll let you off the hook as we all know you can't actually answer the question beyond "you have TDS!". I know this is probably beyond your ability to comprehend but there are a metric s**t ton of real conservatives out there that aren't MAGA and truly grasp how bad it is for the conservative ideology. And should Trump lose again I'm hoping this number grows to the point of putting this MAGA silliness behind us so we can get back to being serious.

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This is very much in line with my own thoughts now a days. Logan Roy's quote from Succession "you are not serious people" is what comes to mind when I see MAGA candidates.

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Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Yes. More moderate

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Would you like to win or continue to be relegated to yelling at the clouds about how unfair everything is?

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Conceding more ground to left is not a win no matter how you slice it. Neither is slowing the pace at which you concede that ground. Its time some of you grow up and realize not everyone is going to like you no matter how nice you try to play with them.

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Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Yes. More moderate

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You gotta choose, either be principled or try to win. There's no alternative anymore because with the current population the more conservative you go the fewer people will be on board. That's just reality now. Legal and illegal immigration and our academic institutions and media have changed the people to leaning strongly left. And each year our side will continue to shrink.

When it comes to actual governing he makes the Titanic and Challenger look like great successes. He has no concept of building coalitions and working within his own party.

His insistence on totally fealty from any and all is both unrealistic and speaks to my first point.

His childlike mentality towards what he perceives as personal insults is exhausting. Governor Kemp is the perfect example. Here's a man who has f'ing endorsed him and is a popular governor in a state Trump desperately needs. So what does genius do? Attacks him. Jesus wept.

His perverse desire to intentionally piss off half the country on a continual basis during a fairly chaotic time is dangerous. We need someone in the WH to calm the population not work them into a frenzy.

He spends like a drunken sailor. How many trillions did he add to the deficit?

He loves him some damaging tariffs.

Continually insulting our NATO partners is not the way we fix the issues that are impacting that organization. He made things worse there. Not better.

And his inability to learn from past mistakes is beyond perplexing.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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All the democrat candidates are saints though.
Only republican candidates are toxic.

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Like it or not this is true. Liberals don't tell people "no" or criticize them unless it is an acceptable subject or class of person. We can argue what's acceptable but they control that narrative more than we like. Conservatives are viewed as bullies because they call people out on their BS and have principals.

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Ha. Good luck getting an actual answer. I've tried.

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You have gotten the answer several times but you continue to ignore it.

Your only definite stance is anti-Trump. You excuse away your voting record because "it's not a swing state." You care more about public perception than you do any issues. You are fine with losing ground as long as you are against the orange man.

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How obtuse are you? I answered your question as to why I don't like Trump with direct answers. See above. Where, AGAIN, have you pointed out a single issue on which I'm moderate besides me not liking Trump?

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Theres nothing energizing or hopeful in the republican message just how horrible everything is. We focus on nothing but issues that really just wear people out and drive them away instead of trying to message what good we could do as a party.

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the other side runs on open borders and inflation (massive govt spending + attacking the energy industry), and yet people vote because they're told their opponents will end democracy and take away your right to crush fetus skulls.

spurring growth and slowing inflation with less government spending, lower taxes, a less burdensome regulatory environment is a positive message. Securing the border is a positive message of what good the party will do. these are energizing and hopeful and these are the messages. they are failing to muh baby murdering healthcare rights.

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If you think running on securing the border for a decade is energizing and hopeful for a world that has 30 second attention spans then good luck. There are a lot of dumb people that we have to target.

We should be hammering how much more stuff costs between when Biden took over to now. Very simple ads not talking about regulatory issues or government deficits cuz people stop listening, just hammer how much more stuff costs over and over. Lowest common denominator type stuff. Most voters don't even understand inflation and what causes it.

Run ads non stop saying if you make this amount of $$$ you will take home this amount instead of this amount because of taxes being raised by democrats. Actual numbers and actual ads staying on point and not going on tirades.

If those type of simple ads have been going around I haven't seen them.

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When it comes to actual governing he makes the Titanic and Challenger look like great successes. He has no concept of building coalitions and working within his own party.

His insistence on totally fealty from any and all is both unrealistic and speaks to my first point.

His childlike mentality towards what he perceives as personal insults is exhausting. Governor Kemp is the perfect example. Here's a man who has f'ing endorsed him and is a popular governor in a state Trump desperately needs. So what does genius do? Attacks him. Jesus wept.

His perverse desire to intentionally piss off half the country on a continual basis during a fairly chaotic time is dangerous. We need someone in the WH to calm the population not work them into a frenzy.

He spends like a drunken sailor. How many trillions did he add to the deficit?

He loves him some damaging tariffs.

Continually insulting our NATO partners is not the way we fix the issues that are impacting that organization. He made things worse there. Not better.

And his inability to learn from past mistakes is beyond perplexing.

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The spending was due to Covid and that was a mistake, but likely one anyone would have made. The tariffs didn't hurt anyone but China and Russia and had very little (if any) negative affect on the average American.

Everything else you listed is a classic example of concern with appearance. Non-issues that are propped up to become an issue because you have been told so.

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Ha. Good luck getting an actual answer. I've tried.

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You have gotten the answer several times but you continue to ignore it.

Your only definite stance is anti-Trump. You excuse away your voting record because "it's not a swing state." You care more about public perception than you do any issues. You are fine with losing ground as long as you are against the orange man.

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How obtuse are you? I answered your question as to why I don't like Trump with direct answers. See above. Where, AGAIN, have you pointed out a single issue on which I'm moderate besides me not liking Trump?

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Your voting record. PERIOD EOD

Where I stated if my vote actually mattered I would vote for him?

You're adorable. Thanks for playing. You tried so hard.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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Its almost like the media and your side specifically target these candidates. Wonder why?

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Do you enjoy having your head buried in the sand and losing constantly? If so, carry on.


Life isn't fair? Shocker. Figure out how to win regardless.

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So we are just going to concede that we don't have a fair and impartial media in this country and move on. Sounds like a great idea.

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You often don't get to choose your battlefield. And you sure as hell can't change it once the war starts. Fight with the conditions around you.


Or lose.

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Agreed, Trump is the fighter we need, and is great at keeping the base he already has. He has tried to reach out to other bases that the GOP has given up on (blacks).

He has access to twitter. He has access to Truth social.
But his messaging is abysmal. Trump focuses on red-meat kind of stuff. When instead he could hammer on the economy and immigration. Stick to the facts. They are a lot more damning than his opinions. Be more specific. For a man as successful as he is , it's shocking how bad he is at messaging.
Having the debate skills of a 10 year old, don't help.

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Where I stated if my vote actually mattered I would vote for him?

You're adorable. Thanks for playing. You tried so hard.

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More excuses. Are you 5?

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Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Yes. More moderate

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Would you like to win or continue to be relegated to yelling at the clouds about how unfair everything is?

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Conceding more ground to left is not a win no matter how you slice it. Neither is slowing the pace at which you concede that ground. Its time some of you grow up and realize not everyone is going to like you no matter how nice you try to play with them.

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So the second one is your choice. You'd rather Rs lose in purple states/districts than target the middle 20% that can go with either party. Great strategy.

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Because the dumbasses who run the Party think DJT is the savior.

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Ok, give me the name of a single Republican who can beat Kamala in a general election.

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In this economy? Nikki Haley. MAGA hates her because she opposed Dear Leader but they'd still vote for her. And she would pick up more independents.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Where I stated if my vote actually mattered I would vote for him?

You're adorable. Thanks for playing. You tried so hard.

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More excuses. Are you 5?

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So you're back? I guess the discussion hasn't ended after all.

You're confusing an explanation with an excuse. There's a difference. However, this isn't to surprising as you've seemed quite confused today by people explaining things. Perhaps you should be more open to other people's ideas. Try it on for size. You might just like it.

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Because the dumbasses who run the Party think DJT is the savior.

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Yup. And we are done here. Good thread everyone. See ya on the next one.

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Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Yes. More moderate

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Would you like to win or continue to be relegated to yelling at the clouds about how unfair everything is?

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Conceding more ground to left is not a win no matter how you slice it. Neither is slowing the pace at which you concede that ground. Its time some of you grow up and realize not everyone is going to like you no matter how nice you try to play with them.

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Congratulations. You just got 40% of the vote. Enjoy your moral high horse while watching the Marxists take over the country.

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I think that Republicans have attracted all the voters they can attract. Illegals are only going to vote for free handouts and the black vote…well, lol.

The only way to attract more is to do a 180 on abortion. What a world. We have to support allowing women to murder their own children to have a chance at winning national elections.

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I would agree.

It's just hard to overlook babies being born alive and quickly murdered after their first breath. But, the Dems love it and support it along with losing 88,000 children by the HHS in June, and all of the women getting raped on the border is a major voting block for the Dems.

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During the eight years the law was in effect, the state's health agency reported 24 babies born alive after an attempted abortion. (The breakdown by year is: 2015 (5), 2016 (5), 2017 (3), 2018 (3), 2019 (3), 2020 (0), 2021 (5), 2022 (0).)

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

Hungry Ojos said:

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I think that Republicans have attracted all the voters they can attract. Illegals are only going to vote for free handouts and the black vote…well, lol.

The only way to attract more is to do a 180 on abortion. What a world. We have to support allowing women to murder their own children to have a chance at winning national elections.

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Why can't the republicans just take a page out of the democrats playbook and lie about abortion? Claim they are for abortion and all this other moderate BS in election years and then ignore it once in office and cram through a conservative agenda. The dems pull the moderate shtick out in election years to great effect and then go full leftist once in office. Maybe republicans should use the same tactic to gain more power and finally start pushing a conservative agenda through. I know conservatives wouldn't like this idea because we don't want to stoop to the dems level, but I don't know any other way to gain enough power for any actual change without playing by the same rules as the dems.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

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Ducey won by 15 points in 2018. Even with the Californians flooding the state there were clearly more than enough people willing to vote for a less combative and inflammatory Republican candidate, so you don't need the dems. Lake also told those people to stay home in her last campaign.

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Because the dumbasses who run the Party think DJT is the savior.

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Ok, give me the name of a single Republican who can beat Kamala in a general election.

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In this economy? Nikki Haley. MAGA hates her because she opposed Dear Leader but they'd still vote for her. And she would pick up more independents.

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No, conservatives dislike her because she is an un-impressive, milquetoast rhino that is more Jeff Flake than she is Ron DeSantis.

And she would have been annihilated in a general election.

seems like GOP has to put in perfect candidates and dems can throw trash up there like Biden and Harris why is the GOP handicapped like this?