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seems like GOP has to put in perfect candidates and dems can throw trash up there like Biden and Harris why is the GOP handicapped like this?

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Perfect in the eyes of whom exactly?

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seems like GOP has to put in perfect candidates and dems can throw trash up there like Biden and Harris why is the GOP handicapped like this?

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Because MAGA handicapped the GOP with equally trash candidates?

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seems like GOP has to put in perfect candidates and dems can throw trash up there like Biden and Harris why is the GOP handicapped like this?

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Because their side will vote for their party regardless of the candidate and too many on our side are obsessed with purity tests.

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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She's pushing Trump - Lake Make Arizona Great Again. I don't see that strategy working.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

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Ducey won by 15 points in 2018. Even with the Californians flooding the state there were clearly more than enough people willing to vote for a less combative and inflammatory Republican candidate, so you don't need the dems. Lake also told those people to stay home in her last campaign.

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You're saying this in the age of lawfare and rampant democrat corruption as the democrats are literally saying 'come on in world' to overthrow elections? Republicans are so spineless.

SMH

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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She's pushing Trump - Lake Make Arizona Great Again. I don't see that strategy working.

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She tried it in 22' and Arizonians said "no thanks". So what did the GOP do on 24' in regards to Lake? Dig in their heals and go with the, "we'll show you strategy". Brilliant.

Where else have we seen this? It's right on the tip of my tongue but I can't seem to remember…. the GOP going full born stubborn and giving a failed candidate another chance for some perplexing reason. Hmmmmm

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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She's pushing Trump - Lake Make Arizona Great Again. I don't see that strategy working.

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Do you mean, like "LMAGA"? Because it doesn't really have the same ring as just MAGA.

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Gee. It's almost like you need to appeal to middle ground voters "between the 40's" instead of just shrieking at your base. Who would have thunk it?

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Yes. More moderate

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Would you like to win or continue to be relegated to yelling at the clouds about how unfair everything is?

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Like McCain and Romney won, right?

The nice way lol.

You Romney Rs say he needs to be in the middle more, are the Democrats in the middle? Also what election has the Democrats not complained about cheating??????????? Gore, Kerry, Clinton all said the Rs cheated

Low taxes, no wars, no illegal immigration, school choice, bit coin, no tax on tips

Are those not middle ground??????????

Yeah I would say yall are full TDS. Trump ain't losing and Rs will take the senate, THEN we won't see yall for 3 years until the next candidate is up and you can complain about everything they do

Or like JD Vance in Ohio. You can be really conservative, just don't be a loon or idiot like Lake.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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As compared to the extremely radical and toxic Democrats?

I do not get the logic.

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If edging out extremely radical and toxic Democrats is your standard for a candidate, you are going to quickly find yourself in a race to the bottom.

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Or like JD Vance in Ohio. You can be really conservative, just don't be a loon or idiot like Lake.

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This.

This is what the hardcore Trumpers don't grasp. You can be just to the right of Atilla the Hun while simultaneously being smart about it. So much of MAGAs failures is self induced by its own bewildering stupidity. All the things MAGA promotes can be done intelligently. They just need to get out of their own way and let people like Vance, de Santis, and Youngkin actually do it.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

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Ducey won by 15 points in 2018. Even with the Californians flooding the state there were clearly more than enough people willing to vote for a less combative and inflammatory Republican candidate, so you don't need the dems. Lake also told those people to stay home in her last campaign.

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You're saying this in the age of lawfare and rampant democrat corruption as the democrats are literally saying 'come on in world' to overthrow elections? Republicans are so spineless.

SMH

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If you want to win in a purple state, which is the literal only thing that matters, then you can't run people with zero professional experience that are only interested in being famous who constantly blast other republicans. Or you can get your soundbites and "owning the libs" etc and lose. Up to you.

Not really that complicated and not every election is the same - you wouldn't run MTG in upstate New York.

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seems like GOP has to put in perfect candidates and dems can throw trash up there like Biden and Harris why is the GOP handicapped like this?

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Because MAGA handicapped the GOP with equally trash candidates?

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they are no worse than the **** dems throw up Harris really?

1. Those polls are horrible, its a lot closer than that.
2. Kari Lake sucks
3. Lot of these Dems are established incumbents that are fairly popular and give off the illusion of being moderate.
4. GOP needs better candidates

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

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Ducey won by 15 points in 2018. Even with the Californians flooding the state there were clearly more than enough people willing to vote for a less combative and inflammatory Republican candidate, so you don't need the dems. Lake also told those people to stay home in her last campaign.

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You're saying this in the age of lawfare and rampant democrat corruption as the democrats are literally saying 'come on in world' to overthrow elections? Republicans are so spineless.

SMH

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I hear you, but I think the argument is that even though it's obviously unfair we know that it's an uneven playing field. The media will give them every break and none to us. You're saying it shouldn't be that way, and I agree, but unfortunately it is. So we either have to run extra-politely or else accept that we'll be portrayed with horns on our heads, and yes, some of that will happen regardless. If you have an answer I'm all ears.

If you have two candidates and theirs says "Uh... blah, blah, uh, uh, duh..." and the media reports it as "Eloquent Democrat speaker gives detailed plan to make everyone's lives better!" and ours says "We think we should have reasonable control of our border." and it's reported as "Racist white nationalist campaigns to kill poor starving brown people!" and the population is mostly braindead idiots then what can you do? The majority of the people don't know anything about any lawfare and corruption because they aren't told about it, all they know is that noble Democrats are fighting to save democracy and keep the Nazis out because that IS what they're told. Not everyone believes that crap, but enough do to keep us from winning.

Ohio looks bad?

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Ohio looks bad?

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yes everything is bad trump will lose all states /f16

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1. Those polls are horrible, its a lot closer than that.
2. Kari Lake sucks
3. Lot of these Dems are established incumbents that are fairly popular and give off the illusion of being moderate.
4. GOP needs better candidates

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EOT

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TexAgs91 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

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Ducey won by 15 points in 2018. Even with the Californians flooding the state there were clearly more than enough people willing to vote for a less combative and inflammatory Republican candidate, so you don't need the dems. Lake also told those people to stay home in her last campaign.

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You're saying this in the age of lawfare and rampant democrat corruption as the democrats are literally saying 'come on in world' to overthrow elections? Republicans are so spineless.

SMH

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If you want to win in a purple state, which is the literal only thing that matters, then you can't run people with zero professional experience that are only interested in being famous who constantly blast other republicans. Or you can get your soundbites and "owning the libs" etc and lose. Up to you.

Not really that complicated and not every election is the same - you wouldn't run MTG in upstate New York.

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This is why I get so frustrated when so many here scream about going after "RINOS" in the primaries like Senator Collins. Like it or not, as far as Republicans go, she's as good as it gets out of a state like Maine. And I believe she votes with the GOP roughly 91% of the time.

Not every Republican is going to be a hardcore right wing zealot. You need people like Collins. And dare I say it? The GOP even needs moderate Republicans. Blasphemy here of course but facts don't care about feelings.

put up awful Trumpers such as Kari Lake for a second straight humiliating loss

put up Trumper/ somewhat anti-semite Mark Robinson in North Carolina for a definite loss

then ask why the GOP is losing senate seats in battleground states.

Signs look like this:

Trump - Lake
Make Arizona Great Again

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TexAgs91 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

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Ducey won by 15 points in 2018. Even with the Californians flooding the state there were clearly more than enough people willing to vote for a less combative and inflammatory Republican candidate, so you don't need the dems. Lake also told those people to stay home in her last campaign.

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You're saying this in the age of lawfare and rampant democrat corruption as the democrats are literally saying 'come on in world' to overthrow elections? Republicans are so spineless.

SMH

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I hear you, but I think the argument is that even though it's obviously unfair we know that it's an uneven playing field. The media will give them every break and none to us. You're saying it shouldn't be that way, and I agree, but unfortunately it is. So we either have to run extra-politely or else accept that we'll be portrayed with horns on our heads, and yes, some of that will happen regardless. If you have an answer I'm all ears.

If you have two candidates and theirs says "Uh... blah, blah, uh, uh, duh..." and the media reports it as "Eloquent Democrat speaker gives detailed plan to make everyone's lives better!" and ours says "We think we should have reasonable control of our border." and it's reported as "Racist white nationalist campaigns to kill poor starving brown people!" and the population is mostly braindead idiots then what can you do? The majority of the people don't know anything about any lawfare and corruption because they aren't told about it, all they know is that noble Democrats are fighting to save democracy and keep the Nazis out because that IS what they're told. Not everyone believes that crap, but enough do to keep us from winning.

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I'm saying not only that it should be that way, but that it isn't that way because Republicans are spineless. I don't just mean Republican politicians. I mean Republican voters too.

If they're called racist by the Party who gave us slavery and the KKK they drop into a fetal position. Dems from the fraud in the White House down to the welfare recipient with 10 kids are All on the same page. Republicans have the attitude of "just leave me alone", which is great, but not when it comes to your party. Your party is what keeps the Communists from taking control of your life so you can be left alone.

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When it comes to actual governing he makes the Titanic and Challenger look like great successes. He has no concept of building coalitions and working within his own party.

His insistence on totally fealty from any and all is both unrealistic and speaks to my first point.

His childlike mentality towards what he perceives as personal insults is exhausting. Governor Kemp is the perfect example. Here's a man who has f'ing endorsed him and is a popular governor in a state Trump desperately needs. So what does genius do? Attacks him. Jesus wept.

His perverse desire to intentionally piss off half the country on a continual basis during a fairly chaotic time is dangerous. We need someone in the WH to calm the population not work them into a frenzy.

He spends like a drunken sailor. How many trillions did he add to the deficit?

He loves him some damaging tariffs.

Continually insulting our NATO partners is not the way we fix the issues that are impacting that organization. He made things worse there. Not better.

And his inability to learn from past mistakes is beyond perplexing.

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The first four issues are personality. Then you list spending and tariffs.

So what are your views on spending, taxation, immigration, abortion, entitlements, foreign military intervention, diversity/gender, and crime control?

That will give me a good head on whether you are a moderate or not.

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake AND MARK ROBINSON

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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Its almost like the media and your side specifically target these candidates. Wonder why?

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My side? Please describe "my side".

This should be amazing.

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So concerned. So moderate. A true hero in the world of politics. You should be proud of yourself.

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I'm moderate?

In what way am I moderate? Are you aware of where I stand on a single issue besides believing Glorious Leader is a clown?

The "concerned moderate" moniker hurled at anyone that doesn't genuflect before the altar of MAGA is such lazy and childish thinking. It's up there with RINO and Swamp Creature. F16s lack or originality is shocking.

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Yet your retort is "MAGA worship."

Continue to bow to the alter of public perception and gleefully turn over power to left all while you insure your don't ruffle any feathers by daring to support the bad orange man. Such courage.

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Again, how am I a moderate?

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You'll likely vote against Trump (probably for the second or third time) because of some BS reason that makes zero sense economically or socially.

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I've stated I thought Trump is a clown. I asked for a specific issue in which I'm a moderate.

As for my voting… I live in Colorado which is deeply blue thus a vote for Trump would be pointless regardless. If l lived in a swing state I'd hold my nose and vote for the pig.

Again, how am I a moderate?

Actually, I'll let you off the hook as we all know you can't actually answer the question beyond "you have TDS!". I know this is probably beyond your ability to comprehend but there are a metric s**t ton of real conservatives out there that aren't MAGA and truly grasp how bad it is for the conservative ideology. And should Trump lose again I'm hoping this number grows to the point of putting this MAGA silliness behind us so we can get back to being serious.

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This is very much in line with my own thoughts now a days. Logan Roy's quote from Succession "you are not serious people" is what comes to mind when I see MAGA candidates.

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What specifically about MAGA is the problem?

---secure borders
--tough on crime
---America first
---energy indpendence
--strong foreign policy/no wars
--strong military

Is it just the personality stuff? I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out when people say that MAGA is not serious or MAGA is destroying the party or whatever. All of the above sounds good to me. I wanted Desantis because he was younger, I felt he could deliver the above, and didn't have the baggage of Trump. But Trump won the primary so I'm supporting him and don't feel like I'm holding my nose to do it. The personality stuff doesn't bother me.

I mean Romney and McCain were as moderate as they come and couldn't win either.

EDIT: Panzer explained a lot of his position on a previous post so I appreciate that explanation.

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Theres nothing energizing or hopeful in the republican message just how horrible everything is. We focus on nothing but issues that really just wear people out and drive them away instead of trying to message what good we could do as a party.

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the other side runs on open borders and inflation (massive govt spending + attacking the energy industry), and yet people vote because they're told their opponents will end democracy and take away your right to crush fetus skulls.

spurring growth and slowing inflation with less government spending, lower taxes, a less burdensome regulatory environment is a positive message. Securing the border is a positive message of what good the party will do. these are energizing and hopeful and these are the messages. they are failing to muh baby murdering healthcare rights.

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Yeah, how could anyone forget the heartwarming message of MASS DEPORTATIONS NOW? So much positive.

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I hope Donald Trump and JD Vance win the Presidential Election, but I won't be surprised if they lose to the most radical left ticket of Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz. If that happens, it's a sign that that the GOP needs to move on from Trump. The MAGA voters need to acknowledge that the Donald Trump is the biggest reason for the losing winnable elections, but they've been indoctrinated to always blame others.

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You view a loss to a radical left ticket as a sign that the we need to move on from Trump, or MAGA I'm assuming since regardless Trump will not be around for another election.

But what you are asking for is for the right to pander to the left so that we can become competitive in an ever shifting leftward political landscape.

The underlying problem is the populace's shift left, not the person at the top of the GOP ticket or the populist/conservative/"far right" politicians.

You say MAGA blames others for when they do not win, yet you dont blame the voters that actually pull the lever for far left types. You are missing the forest for the trees.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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Its almost like the media and your side specifically target these candidates. Wonder why?

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My side? Please describe "my side".

This should be amazing.

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So concerned. So moderate. A true hero in the world of politics. You should be proud of yourself.

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I'm moderate?

In what way am I moderate? Are you aware of where I stand on a single issue besides believing Glorious Leader is a clown?

The "concerned moderate" moniker hurled at anyone that doesn't genuflect before the altar of MAGA is such lazy and childish thinking. It's up there with RINO and Swamp Creature. F16s lack or originality is shocking.

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Yet your retort is "MAGA worship."

Continue to bow to the alter of public perception and gleefully turn over power to left all while you insure your don't ruffle any feathers by daring to support the bad orange man. Such courage.

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Again, how am I a moderate?

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You'll likely vote against Trump (probably for the second or third time) because of some BS reason that makes zero sense economically or socially.

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I've stated I thought Trump is a clown. I asked for a specific issue in which I'm a moderate.

As for my voting… I live in Colorado which is deeply blue thus a vote for Trump would be pointless regardless. If l lived in a swing state I'd hold my nose and vote for the pig.

Again, how am I a moderate?

Actually, I'll let you off the hook as we all know you can't actually answer the question beyond "you have TDS!". I know this is probably beyond your ability to comprehend but there are a metric s**t ton of real conservatives out there that aren't MAGA and truly grasp how bad it is for the conservative ideology. And should Trump lose again I'm hoping this number grows to the point of putting this MAGA silliness behind us so we can get back to being serious.

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This is very much in line with my own thoughts now a days. Logan Roy's quote from Succession "you are not serious people" is what comes to mind when I see MAGA candidates.

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What specifically about MAGA is the problem?

---secure borders
--tough on crime
---America first
---energy indpendence
--strong foreign policy/no wars
--strong military

Is it just the personality stuff? I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out when people say that MAGA is not serious or MAGA is destroying the party or whatever. All of the above sounds good to me. I wanted Desantis because he was younger, I felt he could deliver the above, and didn't have the baggage of Trump. But Trump won the primary so I'm supporting him and don't feel like I'm holding my nose to do it. The personality stuff doesn't bother me.

I mean Romney and McCain were as moderate as they come and couldn't win either.

EDIT: Panzer explained a lot of his position on a previous post so I appreciate that explanation.

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I don't know if McCain ever would have had a shot, but no one was beating Obama in 2008. We were in the midst of the GFC and 5 years into an extremely unpopular war. And Obama was basically the second coming. He walloped Clinton out of nowhere.

Romney was simply too nice as you point out. Unwilling to actually go on the attack and too moderate.

There is a large gap between Mitt Romney and MAGA. You can be conservative, combative in the right moments, a team player and not actively try to piss people off. But for some reason, we haven't nominated anyone like that in decades.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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When it comes to actual governing he makes the Titanic and Challenger look like great successes. He has no concept of building coalitions and working within his own party.

His insistence on totally fealty from any and all is both unrealistic and speaks to my first point.

His childlike mentality towards what he perceives as personal insults is exhausting. Governor Kemp is the perfect example. Here's a man who has f'ing endorsed him and is a popular governor in a state Trump desperately needs. So what does genius do? Attacks him. Jesus wept.

His perverse desire to intentionally piss off half the country on a continual basis during a fairly chaotic time is dangerous. We need someone in the WH to calm the population not work them into a frenzy.

He spends like a drunken sailor. How many trillions did he add to the deficit?

He loves him some damaging tariffs.

Continually insulting our NATO partners is not the way we fix the issues that are impacting that organization. He made things worse there. Not better.

And his inability to learn from past mistakes is beyond perplexing.

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The first four issues are personality. Then you list spending and tariffs.

So what are your views on spending, taxation, immigration, abortion, entitlements, foreign military intervention, diversity/gender, and crime control?

That will give me a good head on whether you are a moderate or not.

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A failure to effectively govern is hardly just a personality issue. It sorta matters when someone is a President. And personality issues or not, personality matters. Trumpians can attempt to dismiss that all day but him being an ******* absolutely impacts his ability to effectively lead.

Spending- Look at the deficit. It's clear we over spend.

Taxes- Extremely complex but as a rule I'm for less taxes. Keep the money in peoples pockets.

Immigration- Close the border. Don't cut off immigration entirely but strictly control it.

Abortion- Pro Life but its a sword we need to quit dying on. It's in the hands of the states. We need to shut the **** up about it.

Entitlements- The Great Society mentality has been an abject failure. Billion dollars social programs year after year don't work. Having said that helping those truly in need is a necessary in a society of 330 million. That should be limited and rare though.

Military Intervention- Went to Iraq twice. It's time for others to be the world police.

Crime- Tough on crime but we need to look at alternatives other than prisons. For no other reason than they aren't cheap and based on repeat offender rates aren't really working.

TexAgs91 said:

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Joes said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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TexAgs91 said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Do you know a better candidate in AZ that the democrats would be ok with?

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Ducey won by 15 points in 2018. Even with the Californians flooding the state there were clearly more than enough people willing to vote for a less combative and inflammatory Republican candidate, so you don't need the dems. Lake also told those people to stay home in her last campaign.

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You're saying this in the age of lawfare and rampant democrat corruption as the democrats are literally saying 'come on in world' to overthrow elections? Republicans are so spineless.

SMH

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I hear you, but I think the argument is that even though it's obviously unfair we know that it's an uneven playing field. The media will give them every break and none to us. You're saying it shouldn't be that way, and I agree, but unfortunately it is. So we either have to run extra-politely or else accept that we'll be portrayed with horns on our heads, and yes, some of that will happen regardless. If you have an answer I'm all ears.

If you have two candidates and theirs says "Uh... blah, blah, uh, uh, duh..." and the media reports it as "Eloquent Democrat speaker gives detailed plan to make everyone's lives better!" and ours says "We think we should have reasonable control of our border." and it's reported as "Racist white nationalist campaigns to kill poor starving brown people!" and the population is mostly braindead idiots then what can you do? The majority of the people don't know anything about any lawfare and corruption because they aren't told about it, all they know is that noble Democrats are fighting to save democracy and keep the Nazis out because that IS what they're told. Not everyone believes that crap, but enough do to keep us from winning.

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I'm saying not only that it should be that way, but that it isn't that way because Republicans are spineless. I don't just mean Republican politicians. I mean Republican voters too.

If they're called racist by the Party who gave us slavery and the KKK they drop into a fetal position. Dems from the fraud in the White House down to the welfare recipient with 10 kids are All on the same page. Republicans have the attitude of "just leave me alone", which is great, but not when it comes to your party. Your party is what keeps the Communists from taking control of your life so you can be left alone.

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I'm with you on all that. But the propaganda isn't keeping me or other solid republicans from voting, it's keeping the wishy washy middle from voting for us. So the choice is either to say screw those moderates and lose, or try to tone things down and be more "spineless" to play the media game. I hate it too, but we generally can't win without the non-ideological middle.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Tom Fox said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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When it comes to actual governing he makes the Titanic and Challenger look like great successes. He has no concept of building coalitions and working within his own party.

His insistence on totally fealty from any and all is both unrealistic and speaks to my first point.

His childlike mentality towards what he perceives as personal insults is exhausting. Governor Kemp is the perfect example. Here's a man who has f'ing endorsed him and is a popular governor in a state Trump desperately needs. So what does genius do? Attacks him. Jesus wept.

His perverse desire to intentionally piss off half the country on a continual basis during a fairly chaotic time is dangerous. We need someone in the WH to calm the population not work them into a frenzy.

He spends like a drunken sailor. How many trillions did he add to the deficit?

He loves him some damaging tariffs.

Continually insulting our NATO partners is not the way we fix the issues that are impacting that organization. He made things worse there. Not better.

And his inability to learn from past mistakes is beyond perplexing.

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The first four issues are personality. Then you list spending and tariffs.

So what are your views on spending, taxation, immigration, abortion, entitlements, foreign military intervention, diversity/gender, and crime control?

That will give me a good head on whether you are a moderate or not.

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A failure to effectively govern is hardly just a personality issue. It sorta matters when someone is a President. And personality issues or not, personality matters. Trumpians can attempt to dismiss that all day but him being an ******* absolutely impacts his ability to effectively lead.

Spending- Look at the deficit. It's clear we over spend.

Taxes- Extremely complex but as a rule I'm for less taxes. Keep the money in peoples pockets.

Immigration- Close the border. Don't cut off immigration entirely but strictly control it.

Abortion- Pro Life but its a sword we need to quit dying on. It's in the hands of the states. We need to shut the **** up about it.

Entitlements- The Great Society mentality has been an abject failure. Billion dollars social programs year after year don't work. Having said that helping those truly in need is a necessary in a society of 330 million. That should be limited and rare though.

Military Intervention- Went to Iraq twice. It's time for others to be the world police.

Crime- Tough on crime but we need to look at alternatives other than prisons. For no other reason than they aren't cheap and based on repeat offender rates aren't really working.

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Fair enough. You are more moderate than me but are a conservative. I took two trips to Iraq myself.

Trumps personality sucks but he was a better president than either Bush. The spending will never end until the inevitable collapse no matter which party is in charge.

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Because people like ^^^^ believe the media and don't want to disappoint their liberal friends

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It's the definition of insanity. Run the same candidate/type of candidate lost last time and then surprised when they are losing again.

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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Its almost like the media and your side specifically target these candidates. Wonder why?

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My side? Please describe "my side".

This should be amazing.

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So concerned. So moderate. A true hero in the world of politics. You should be proud of yourself.

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I'm moderate?

In what way am I moderate? Are you aware of where I stand on a single issue besides believing Glorious Leader is a clown?

The "concerned moderate" moniker hurled at anyone that doesn't genuflect before the altar of MAGA is such lazy and childish thinking. It's up there with RINO and Swamp Creature. F16s lack or originality is shocking.

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Yet your retort is "MAGA worship."

Continue to bow to the alter of public perception and gleefully turn over power to left all while you insure your don't ruffle any feathers by daring to support the bad orange man. Such courage.

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Again, how am I a moderate?

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You'll likely vote against Trump (probably for the second or third time) because of some BS reason that makes zero sense economically or socially.

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I've stated I thought Trump is a clown. I asked for a specific issue in which I'm a moderate.

As for my voting… I live in Colorado which is deeply blue thus a vote for Trump would be pointless regardless. If l lived in a swing state I'd hold my nose and vote for the pig.

Again, how am I a moderate?

Actually, I'll let you off the hook as we all know you can't actually answer the question beyond "you have TDS!". I know this is probably beyond your ability to comprehend but there are a metric s**t ton of real conservatives out there that aren't MAGA and truly grasp how bad it is for the conservative ideology. And should Trump lose again I'm hoping this number grows to the point of putting this MAGA silliness behind us so we can get back to being serious.

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This is very much in line with my own thoughts now a days. Logan Roy's quote from Succession "you are not serious people" is what comes to mind when I see MAGA candidates.

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What specifically about MAGA is the problem?

---secure borders
--tough on crime
---America first
---energy indpendence
--strong foreign policy/no wars
--strong military

Is it just the personality stuff? I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out when people say that MAGA is not serious or MAGA is destroying the party or whatever. All of the above sounds good to me. I wanted Desantis because he was younger, I felt he could deliver the above, and didn't have the baggage of Trump. But Trump won the primary so I'm supporting him and don't feel like I'm holding my nose to do it. The personality stuff doesn't bother me.

I mean Romney and McCain were as moderate as they come and couldn't win either.

EDIT: Panzer explained a lot of his position on a previous post so I appreciate that explanation.

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There's certainly a way to deliver this message that is more palatable to the swing voters who make the difference in purple states. Youngkin is a great example of this.

4stringAg said:

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Prime0882 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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cevans_40 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Teslag said:

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Because we decided to run people like toxic Kari Lake

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Wait, another Trump endorsed Senate candidate is coming up short? Who could have possibly seen this coming? It's not as if there's a history of this. It's so perplexing!!!

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Its almost like the media and your side specifically target these candidates. Wonder why?

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My side? Please describe "my side".

This should be amazing.

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So concerned. So moderate. A true hero in the world of politics. You should be proud of yourself.

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I'm moderate?

In what way am I moderate? Are you aware of where I stand on a single issue besides believing Glorious Leader is a clown?

The "concerned moderate" moniker hurled at anyone that doesn't genuflect before the altar of MAGA is such lazy and childish thinking. It's up there with RINO and Swamp Creature. F16s lack or originality is shocking.

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Yet your retort is "MAGA worship."

Continue to bow to the alter of public perception and gleefully turn over power to left all while you insure your don't ruffle any feathers by daring to support the bad orange man. Such courage.

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Again, how am I a moderate?

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You'll likely vote against Trump (probably for the second or third time) because of some BS reason that makes zero sense economically or socially.

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I've stated I thought Trump is a clown. I asked for a specific issue in which I'm a moderate.

As for my voting… I live in Colorado which is deeply blue thus a vote for Trump would be pointless regardless. If l lived in a swing state I'd hold my nose and vote for the pig.

Again, how am I a moderate?

Actually, I'll let you off the hook as we all know you can't actually answer the question beyond "you have TDS!". I know this is probably beyond your ability to comprehend but there are a metric s**t ton of real conservatives out there that aren't MAGA and truly grasp how bad it is for the conservative ideology. And should Trump lose again I'm hoping this number grows to the point of putting this MAGA silliness behind us so we can get back to being serious.

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This is very much in line with my own thoughts now a days. Logan Roy's quote from Succession "you are not serious people" is what comes to mind when I see MAGA candidates.

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What specifically about MAGA is the problem?

---secure borders
--tough on crime
---America first
---energy indpendence
--strong foreign policy/no wars
--strong military

Is it just the personality stuff? I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out when people say that MAGA is not serious or MAGA is destroying the party or whatever. All of the above sounds good to me. I wanted Desantis because he was younger, I felt he could deliver the above, and didn't have the baggage of Trump. But Trump won the primary so I'm supporting him and don't feel like I'm holding my nose to do it. The personality stuff doesn't bother me.

I mean Romney and McCain were as moderate as they come and couldn't win either.

EDIT: Panzer explained a lot of his position on a previous post so I appreciate that explanation.

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And I agree with all those ideas. It's too bad the mouth piece for the party can't stay on topic about policy and instead has to moan about whatever the daily grievance is.

To also answer someone's comment earlier about trash candidates, whenever you've got a trash candidate on each side, but the leader of one side (GOP) decides to get into pointless battles with allies, like Kemp, it's going to turn off possible voters. It's self defeating stuff like that that makes the Democrats look like adults in the room.

Congrats on winning over the base, too bad that's not enough in a general election.

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Because the dumbasses who run the Party think DJT is the savior.

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Ok, give me the name of a single Republican who can beat Kamala in a general election.

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Any one of them that has an IQ north of 100 and can publicly speak at a high school level would smoke her.