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Serious questions
1) What has Trump done this election to blow the race? What specific mean tweets or comments has he made?
2) If this is residual Trump hatred for past mean tweets or for the media and Dems twisting everything he says or doesn't say into something evil - what could Trump possibly do to combat that?

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From the editorial I quoted:

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He's said she "doesn't like Jewish people," though her husband is Jewish. He's attacked her racial identity, which alienates swing voters. He calls her "low IQ" and "dumb," as if the school-yard insult will persuade anyone.

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He says something stupid/divisive just about every day. He just can't help it.

I don't think he can combat it because he can't control himself. And people that dislike him are not going to magically start liking him because he is who he is. As others have stated - he is a flawed candidate.

To be fair, Harris is incredibly flawed, too.

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Exactly. Kamala is dumb as a rock. Just let her be dumb. He let Biden ruin himself in the debate, so hopefully he can let Kamala do the same. But he just acts so rashly that I don't trust him to do it.

Trump should have sat it out. He could have used his considerable influence to be a king maker of sorts. If he truly wanted to help the country, he would have realized that too many people hate him and the best shot at saving the country is getting behind the next wave of leaders. He can't do that though. He needs the spotlight.

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Hillary didn't concede.

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Flat out lie.

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She called him an illegitimate President and carried the Russia helped him message his entire term.

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She still conceded. A lie is a lie. Have some dignity.

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Dude, a private phone call where you "concede" doesn't mean ***** An 8 year quest of calling him illegitimate, which sounds a whole lot like being an "election denier" - after she ironically asked him during the debates if he would "respect the outcome of the election" pretty much overrides any bull**** concession phone call.

Perhaps you don't remember election night when she refused to come out of her hotel room and concede to her supporters in NYC. She sent out her lackey John Podesta to tell them all she wouldn't be coming out tonight at about 1 am. Yeah….REALLY dignified pal.

I swear people like you have zero ability to see reality.

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Because this board is mostly a right wing echo chamber, some posters maybe don't appreciate how half the country hates Trump. How much left wing conspiracy theories are believed and flourish just as much as right wing conspiracy theories.

For example, was reported 1 in 3 Dem voters in a poll a couple weeks back believe Trump staged being shot in Butler, PA. When asked to explain the fireman killed, the response from one of the polled was 'Trump is evil and doesn't care who dies as long as he's elected'.

To be fair to the left wing conspiracy theorists, this same problem is just as bad on the right. There are many right wing conspiracies that Trump's shooting was planned by his opponents because 'they ate evil and don't care who is killed as long as they get elected'.

This extreme polarization where both sides seemingly see the other as the End of Democracy and America, I largely blame the polarized media and the internet (including message boards like this one if posters are using it as a 'news' source) feeding on Fear & Hate Porn because that draws the clicks, likes, and views and brings in the money. The politicians themselves also play a role demonizing their opponents.

I read when CNN got new ownership a couple years or so back and that ownership tried to move their news to be just a bit more moderate, they started LOSING viewers and money. Moderate, balanced bipartisan debate and news sources doesn't seem to be what many actually people want to follow. So this is where our culture now is.

Trump had Biden cold, Biden was toast, but who knows now with Kamala. She is bad choice but They polled independents and there was a group out there who hated BOTH Biden AND Trump and were maybe going to sit the vote out, but now if there is a Not Biden Or Trump 3rd choice, who knows. And of course it is the swing voters in the swing states who can really matter the most.

The debate performances may end up being pretty critical.

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Excellent post. The Q phenomenon should have woken a lot of people up to the idiocy of looking for some grand battle of good and evil on an American political level. Empires have risen and fallen since the beginning of man. i sincerely doubt God is resting His grand plan for humanity on the platform of American politics.

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He was always a terrible candidate.

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Thank you. I have been saying this for months now but y'all wouldn't listen to me.

He's a loser and he always has been. How is it possible to bankrupt four casinos? And Vance was a terrible, TERRIBLE choice. Of all the people he could have chosen, he chose the guy who referred to him as Hitler.

I was done with him after he trashed John McCain. That's unforgiveable in my eyes. Jan. 6 just solidified my opinion.

People are sick of his politics of grievance. Kamala is going run the hope and joy thing and crush him. The only question now is how bad the downballot carnage will be. The only good thing is that his political base will evaporate after this. Hopefully MAGA evaporates with him and the party moves on.

Should have voted for Nikki Haley, y'all. She would beat Kamala.

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Hey buddy? John McCain was a POS.

Former President Donald Trump said Thursday that he plans to stay off the presidential campaign rally circuit until after the Democratic National Convention, which ends Aug. 22.

The Republican nominee's schedule this month defies conventional campaign strategy, and draws a sharp contrast with Trump's schedule in August of 2016, the last time he ran a successful race for the White House.


That month, Trump held 27 raucous campaign rallies across 15 states. So far this month, Trump has only held one rally.

A reporter asked Trump on Thursday why he had not been "campaigning this week."

"Because I'm leading by a lot and because I'm letting their convention go through and I am campaigning a lot," Trump replied during a wide-ranging press conference at his home in Palm Beach, Florida.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/08/trump-off-campaign-trail-as-harris-walz-vance-barnstorm.html

I dont think Trump blows it. He's the exact same guy he's been in the public eye for 40 years. He's not a conservative. The R party is the conservative party

It's the RINO voters who did not vote a conservative to be on the R ticket who blew it.

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If people are actually dumb enough to vote for Harris, I say go for it.

I am insulated from the fallout in the short term and have enjoyed laughing at the idiots that voted for this as inflation and unemployment spreads like wildfire amongst them.

What will they do then? Continue to vote dem while working their 3 part time jobs to afford their $20 fast food burger?

LoL. In short, let them eat cake.

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And this is how you get socialism. Enough people getting frustrated enough with the state of the economy will not make them more conservative. It will make them angry and choose to vote for stealing "rich people's" stuff.

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Former President Donald Trump said Thursday that he plans to stay off the presidential campaign rally circuit until after the Democratic National Convention, which ends Aug. 22.

The Republican nominee's schedule this month defies conventional campaign strategy, and draws a sharp contrast with Trump's schedule in August of 2016, the last time he ran a successful race for the White House.


That month, Trump held 27 raucous campaign rallies across 15 states. So far this month, Trump has only held one rally.

A reporter asked Trump on Thursday why he had not been "campaigning this week."

"Because I'm leading by a lot and because I'm letting their convention go through and I am campaigning a lot," Trump replied during a wide-ranging press conference at his home in Palm Beach, Florida.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/08/trump-off-campaign-trail-as-harris-walz-vance-barnstorm.html

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Its almost as if having a firm grip on half the country is more valuable to him than a loose grip on the whole thing.

The problem with Trump is he is too polarizing. Some people love his DGAF comments and attitude. Others find it so off putting and unprofessional. I have heard proclaimed Republicans tell me "they can't bring themselves to vote for him".

I have left leaning moderates that were Obama and Biden voters tell me how horrible the last 4 years have been, what a sad state of affairs it is to see Biden in public, and how dumb and unqualified Harris is. They watched the RNC and really liked all of the speakers. They like the message and policy solutions. They said and then Trump came out and rambled for 1 hr and all the momentum and good will disappeared. All Trump had to do was come out, accept the nomination, say thank you and leave.

I feel there will be a number of people that would have voted Trump over Biden that now just won't can't a vote for either Trump of Harris. They will vote in other elections on the ballot but leave President blank. I think this favors Harris unfortunately.

I look at this election like I do selecting a specialist doctor. I don't need someone to be my friend, I don't need them to have a good bedside manner, or have a fancy office. I need them to be damn good at their job, take my health seriously, be proactive with treatment, and be honest with me.

You don't have to like Trump personally to know that off the options he is the best candidate to fix this mess. It's too bad so many are wrapped up in their feels that simple logic is discarded.

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I dont think Trump blows it. He's the exact same guy he's been in the public eye for 40 years. He's not a conservative. The R party is the conservative party

It's the RINO voters who did not vote a conservative to be on the R ticket who blew it.

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Wasn't for lack of trying.

Interesting take, though. Blaming the people who didn't vote for him in the primary for the situation we're in today.

Unless you're suggesting RINOs and MAGA are the same thing. Neither of those camps would agree with you there.

An addition to my previous post, IMO Harris made an error on her VP pick. Versus picking say the Penn Gov. Harris was going to win Minny no matter what. But she chose to solidify her ticket as far progressive left instead of going with the more moderate (and Jewish) Shapiro, and particularly if she loses both Penn and the WH in Nov., if she loses their 'Blue Wall', you'll see a lot of second guessing by Dem political analysts on that VP choice.

a shaky economy and geo political situation of course also is advantage to Trump because he is not the incumbent, while Harris is tied to Biden admin and thus straight forward to blame.

I am like 55-45 right now Trump wins, was at like 90-10 Trump winning the day before Biden resigned, but the Dems did give themselves a much better chance with Kamala. We'll see.

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Because this board is mostly a right wing echo chamber, some posters maybe don't appreciate how half the country hates Trump. How much left wing conspiracy theories are believed and flourish just as much as right wing conspiracy theories.

For example, was reported 1 in 3 Dem voters in a poll a couple weeks back believe Trump staged being shot in Butler, PA. When asked to explain the fireman killed, the response from one of the polled was 'Trump is evil and doesn't care who dies as long as he's elected'.

To be fair to the left wing conspiracy theorists, this same problem is just as bad on the right. There are many right wing conspiracies that Trump's shooting was planned by his opponents because 'Dems are evil and don't care who is killed as long as they get elected'.

This extreme polarization where both sides seemingly see the other as the End of Democracy and America, I largely blame the polarized media and the internet (including message boards like this one if posters are using it as a 'news' source) feeding on Fear & Hate Porn because that draws the clicks, likes, and views and brings in the money. The politicians themselves also play a role demonizing their opponents.

I read when CNN got new ownership a couple years or so back and that ownership tried to move their news to be just a bit more moderate, they started LOSING viewers and money. Moderate, balanced bipartisan debate and news sources doesn't seem to be what many actually people want to follow. So this is where our culture now is.

Trump had Biden cold, Biden was toast, but who knows now with Kamala. She is bad choice but They polled independents and there was a group out there who hated BOTH Biden AND Trump and were maybe going to sit the vote out, but now if there is a Not Biden Or Trump 3rd choice, who knows. And of course it is the swing voters in the swing states who can really matter the most.

The debate performances may end up being pretty critical.

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Yes some posters have even called me a CM. And I'm an 8 of 10 on the conservative dial. And most of my criticism of Trump have been from the right but I'm a CM. I'd estimate this board is about 20% of these types.

Yes some Trump supporters on this site post the dumbest boot licking crap. They just attack any criticism regarding Trump and seem to have difficultly discerning personal criticism vs policy criticism vs election strategy/approach. Interestingly these folks rarely talk policy and damn sure cant debate it. Its TDS this and TDS that.

Yes I can see where a lot of people dont like Trump. I dont like him personally and I sure dont like that insane 20%.

THAT said.

Trump and his most insane supporters are a million time better than the left. At least Trumpers dont burn cities and hate our nation. At least Trump nuts up and takes on a hostile press and states his positions, at least Trump is respected for his strength internationally. Meanwhile Harris hides leaving people with no idea what she stands for despite being anointed by a political machine and not the voters

And this polarization its on the left. They constantly push constitutional boundaries with stupid policy that has led to global insecurity and instability , inflation, declining living standards, insane debt levels, much higher crime, a broken immigration policy and rule by bureaucracy.

Yeah Trump can be a mess but he sure as hell beats the alternative.

What is he actually doing different from 4 years ago when he lost?

I thought the attempted assassination humbled him a bit and had changed his demeanor……. He had everything headed his way after that.
But he can not help himself and went right back to his childish name calling and rambling….. this makes folks dislike him….. and many are shallow enough to have that dislike skew their vote.
All he needed to do was stick to saying what he would do to better the country and get his message across.
It was his to lose and it appears he is accomplishing that.

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What is he actually doing different from 4 years ago when he lost?

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Using social media.

How quickly you forget how your party blocked him.

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I thought the attempted assassination humbled him a bit and had changed his demeanor……. He had everything headed his way after that.
But he can not help himself and went right back to his childish name calling and rambling….. this makes folks dislike him….. and many are shallow enough to have that dislike skew their vote.
All he needed to do was stick to saying what he would do to better the country and get his message across.
It was his to lose and it appears he is accomplishing that.
I'll vote for him no matter but many won't.

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Surviving an assassination attempt doesn't make you a hero. It just makes you lucky.

He had a golden opportunity to be a voice to tone down rhetoric and focus on the issues , but he's squandered it.

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I dont think Trump blows it. He's the exact same guy he's been in the public eye for 40 years. He's not a conservative. The R party is the conservative party

It's the RINO voters who did not vote a conservative to be on the R ticket who blew it.

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Wasn't for lack of trying.

Interesting take, though. Blaming the people who didn't vote for him in the primary for the situation we're in today.

Unless you're suggesting RINOs and MAGA are the same thing. Neither of those camps would agree with you there.

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Trump is not a conservative. Im not surprised thats a problem for the R party

And Trump agreed with me, he's not a conservative


https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-says-hes-not-conservative-im-man-common-sense.amp

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Surviving an assassination attempt doesn't make you a hero. It just makes you lucky.

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In this case, it makes him a victim. A victim of the deranged left.

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What is he actually doing different from 4 years ago when he lost?

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Using social media.

How quickly you forget how your party blocked him.

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My party? I'm anything but a Democrat, if that's what you're insinuating.

And he wasn't blocked on social media until after he lost, anyway.

And truth social hardly counts as a mass-audience social media platform. He's certainly not finding any new voters there.

Try again.

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What is he actually doing different from 4 years ago when he lost?

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Using social media.

How quickly you forget how your party blocked him.

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Didn't that happen after the election?

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Surviving an assassination attempt doesn't make you a hero. It just makes you lucky.

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In this case, it makes him a victim. A victim of the deranged left.

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Let me check the list of presidential qualifications real quick…







Hmmm… I can't seem to find "victim" on there. Maybe I don't have the most updated list.

How does anyone on TexAgs know who will win the election in November? I just don't understand the 100% definitive statements? How do you know who will win?

Or MAYBE ... you're stating your opinion as a fact. Just a hunch ...

They think in absolutes.

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Surviving an assassination attempt doesn't make you a hero. It just makes you lucky.

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In this case, it makes him a victim. A victim of the deranged left.

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Let me check the list of presidential qualifications real quick…







Hmmm… I can't seem to find "victim" on there. Maybe I don't have the most updated list.

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If you get shot are you a gun shot victim?

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Surviving an assassination attempt doesn't make you a hero. It just makes you lucky.

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In this case, it makes him a victim. A victim of the deranged left.

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Let me check the list of presidential qualifications real quick…







Hmmm… I can't seem to find "victim" on there. Maybe I don't have the most updated list.

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Look at the democrats platform and you'll find it. If you don't think he's been victimized, you ain't the thinking intellect you admire in the mirror.

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You see into the future?

I bet you preached this same crap in 2016.

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2016. Hilary Clinton. The single most polarizing candidate in the history of the US. That's an anomaly.

Luck is just a word and had nothing to do with him surviving the attempt.
It takes great courage to overcome a near death or serious injury experience….. he has done that and I greatly respect him for that courage. Something like that would make most people quit.
People understand that. He had an opportunity to use that experience to focus his message on uniting the country and explaining a plan to accomplish that…… and to cease the petty childish campaign rhetoric that we are all sick of on both sides.

Well said!

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Luck is just a word and had nothing to do with him surviving the attempt.
It takes great courage to overcome a near death or serious injury experience….. he has done that and I greatly respect him for that courage. Something like that would make most people quit.
People understand that. He had an opportunity to use that experience to focus his message on uniting the country and explaining a plan to accomplish that…… and to cease the petty childish campaign rhetoric that we are all sick of on both sides.

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A bullet grazed his ear and probably would have hit him square if he hadn't coincidentally turned his head. How is that not lucky?

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Luck is just a word and had nothing to do with him surviving the attempt.
It takes great courage to overcome a near death or serious injury experience….. he has done that and I greatly respect him for that courage. Something like that would make most people quit.
People understand that. He had an opportunity to use that experience to focus his message on uniting the country and explaining a plan to accomplish that…… and to cease the petty childish campaign rhetoric that we are all sick of on both sides.

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A bullet grazed his ear and probably would have hit him square if he hadn't coincidentally turned his head. How is that not lucky?

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Lol, you need a good conditioner.

Read my sentence again. Luck is nothing more than a word. That word had nothing to do with him surviving that. It's a much greater thing than " luck".
Survive a near death experience or diagnosis and you will understand perhaps.

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Luck is just a word and had nothing to do with him surviving the attempt.
It takes great courage to overcome a near death or serious injury experience….. he has done that and I greatly respect him for that courage. Something like that would make most people quit.
People understand that. He had an opportunity to use that experience to focus his message on uniting the country and explaining a plan to accomplish that…… and to cease the petty childish campaign rhetoric that we are all sick of on both sides.

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Trump had no opportunity to unify the country when the MSM had to be pushed to even admit that there was an assassination attempt. And then many people and elected officials expressed regret that the assassination attempt was not successful.

How does Trump use the situation to unite when half the country has been programmed to hate?

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Trump has a ceiling of support because he is so disliked. Everything he does that turns off the "concerned moderates" just gives Harris, God help us, a better chance at the presidency.

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Cliff jumpers! Go. Jump. Please. End your misery.

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It's not cliff jumping. It's a calm analysis of what is happening.

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And yet, when the RealClearPolitics average for the Trump vs. Biden matchup ended July 21, Trump was ahead 47.9 percent to 44.8 percent in a two-way race. With Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Jill Stein, and Cornel West thrown in, Trump was ahead of Biden 43.4 percent to 39.2 percent.

In other words, after Biden had been metaphorically dragged across concrete for a month, and just about everything had gone right for the Republican nominee, Trump led by three to four points. That's a 3.6 roentgens of a result "not great, not terrible."

What this past month has taught us is that Donald Trump has a hard ceiling.

There are a lot of Americans who love Trump, and a lot of Americans who hate Trump, and a small sliver in the middle who don't particularly like him but who are at least theoretically open to voting for him. But even in the near-best-case scenario of 2016, Trump won 49 percent of the vote in Florida, 47.5 percent of the vote in Michigan, 49.8 percent of the vote in North Carolina, 48.8 percent of the vote in Pennsylvania, and 47.2 percent of the vote in Wisconsin.

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A lot of Trump fans walk around believing that a large majority of the country loves their man as passionately and intensely as they do and it's just not true. On a really good day for Trump, about 47 or 48 percent of poll respondents will say they feel favorably toward Trump. On the bad days, it's in the mid 30s. Just about every day, well over 50 percent of poll respondents say they feel unfavorably toward him.

It's not that Harris is, to use one of my favorite phrases, a whirling dervish of raw political charisma. But an enthusiastic Democratic party and a full-throated cheerleading effort from the mainstream media are a potent combination.

Trump has a much smaller margin of error running against Harris than against Biden. Name-calling, winging it, and riffing the way he does at his rallies probably isn't going to get it done.

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I was not referring to the article. I was referring to the resultant chicken littles running around.

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here is why so many of us knew Trump would lose the election in 2024 if he was the nominee

1. He has been a blowhard and deliberately offensive to independents and women who live in the suburbs

2. he is lazy in his campaign. He loves being the rock star with his thousands of adulating fans. but studying in depth policy, metrics, positions of his opponents, facts. he can't be bothered. So he speaks in bumper sticker language "if you are jewish you are crazy to vote for Harris!" instead of "here are the ten reasons you should not vote for Harris"

3. he does not invest in a ground operation in very close states such as WI, MI and PA. when have you EVER seen him actually go into a GOTV local district office and talk to the volunteers and staff and understand how many homes have been visited.

4. he prefers to jet from place to place- where is his bus tour through every town in PA?

5. he cannot stay on script- he has to continually prove how smart and funny he is (because he is a supreme narcissist) and so riffs, adds non sequitors, moves from topic to topic then circles back not really making any point

6. notice Harris is doing the EXACT OPPOSITE. she visited a local Harris campaign office. she sticks on script 100% of the time. she doesn't really say anything. they focus on the get out the vote (cheating) game

now see which one is more effective. because we did see which approach wins in 2018, 2020, 2022.

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Your TDS infused posts are laughable. You have played into the hands of the leftists. Good for you.