Hoyt Ag said:
$81 million raised in 24 hours.
Try 100 million
https://fortune.com/2024/07/22/donald-trump-kamala-harrie-campaign-trump-fundraising-battle-actblue-rnc-dnc/
Hoyt Ag said:
$81 million raised in 24 hours.
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.nai06 said:
So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.
And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Shes a ****ing imbecile. That has nothing to do with her age, gender, or skin color.Hullabaloonatic said:If 3 years was a big gap between Trump and Biden, then 19 years is an unfathomable gap between Trump and Harris.Emotional Support Cobra said:She is 59 not 50. Trump is less than 20 yrs older.TheHungryDonkey said:
She has some talking points:
Prosecutor vs convicted felon
Prosecutor vs adjudicated rapist
Prosector vs insurrectionist
Prosecutor vs guy who called Epstein ~100 times and had a 13 year Epstein victim file suit against him for rape before death threats freaked her out
50 year old vs 80 year old - 3 years of Fox saying an elderly man shouldn't be President doesn't help
Woman vs mysoginist accused of rape by ~30 women trying to eliminate a woman's right to choose (grab them by the *****… doesn't help)
Woman of color vs accused, central park 5 and others would argue real, racist…n bomb apprentice tapes wont help
Dems get to play the reverse uno card on age now.
Paywall...nai06 said:Hoyt Ag said:
$81 million raised in 24 hours.
Try 100 million
https://fortune.com/2024/07/22/donald-trump-kamala-harrie-campaign-trump-fundraising-battle-actblue-rnc-dnc/
Ag with kids said:Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.nai06 said:
So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.
And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.
I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.
Fair enough...nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.nai06 said:
So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.
And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.
I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.
What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Ag with kids said:Fair enough...nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.nai06 said:
So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.
And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.
I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.
What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.
nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Fair enough...nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.nai06 said:
So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.
And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.
I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.
What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.
Agreed it's different, but the process is still the same. I mean if Trump felt like he couldn't win, that he didn't see a path forward, would you want him to stay in and take the L? Again I realize it isn't the same, but people drop out of the presidential nomination race all the time when they think they can't win. Biden certainly waited a really ****ing long time to do it and I wish he had bowed out sooner. But I don't think it's all that different than Desantis suspending his campaign.
I also have no doubt that several people tried to convince him he couldn't win. I suspect he was also being really hard headed about it as well. But at a certain point he realized the math wasn't there terms of funding, open support, and internal polling. So he packed it in and endorsed Kamala Harris.
nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Fair enough...nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.nai06 said:
So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.
And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.
I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.
What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.
Agreed it's different, but the process is still the same. I mean if Trump felt like he couldn't win, that he didn't see a path forward, would you want him to stay in and take the L? Again I realize it isn't the same, but people drop out of the presidential nomination race all the time when they think they can't win. Biden certainly waited a really ****ing long time to do it and I wish he had bowed out sooner. But I don't think it's all that different than Desantis suspending his campaign.
I also have no doubt that several people tried to convince him he couldn't win. I suspect he was also being really hard headed about it as well. But at a certain point he realized the math wasn't there terms of funding, open support, and internal polling. So he packed it in and endorsed Kamala Harris.
That's a lot of words to say you feel like your party got out played. For what it's worth I don't think Biden backed out for health issues. I think he saw that he was losing support and was starting to poll poorly against Trump.Teslag said:nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Fair enough...nai06 said:Ag with kids said:Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.nai06 said:
So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.
And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.
I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.
What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.
Agreed it's different, but the process is still the same. I mean if Trump felt like he couldn't win, that he didn't see a path forward, would you want him to stay in and take the L? Again I realize it isn't the same, but people drop out of the presidential nomination race all the time when they think they can't win. Biden certainly waited a really ****ing long time to do it and I wish he had bowed out sooner. But I don't think it's all that different than Desantis suspending his campaign.
I also have no doubt that several people tried to convince him he couldn't win. I suspect he was also being really hard headed about it as well. But at a certain point he realized the math wasn't there terms of funding, open support, and internal polling. So he packed it in and endorsed Kamala Harris.
That's a lot of words to say you really don't care about democracy as long as your party benefits. This wasn't an accident. Everyone knew Biden had dementia. It was planned, known, and understood by your party for a long time. They knew full well they were going **** the primary voters.
We @Civiqs started tracking Trump vs. Harris two weeks ago. Normally this info is paywalled, but this deserves sharing:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Through 7/21, Biden trailed Trump 46-44 nationally; Harris was ahead 48-46. Trump is stuck at a ceiling of 46. Harris gains from 3rd party/undecided voters.
Digging into the pres vote crosstabs:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Young voters (18-34) go from Biden 44-36 (+8) to Harris 57-37 (+20)
- Independents go from Trump 48-32 (+16) to Trump 49-41 (+8)
- Harris picks up 7pp among Black voters and 8pp among Hispanic voters, almost all from 3rd party/undecideds
I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.La Bamba said:
"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."
-Dems everywhere
nah harris wont win this move was about down ballot races...harris completely unlikablenai06 said:
Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.We @Civiqs started tracking Trump vs. Harris two weeks ago. Normally this info is paywalled, but this deserves sharing:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Through 7/21, Biden trailed Trump 46-44 nationally; Harris was ahead 48-46. Trump is stuck at a ceiling of 46. Harris gains from 3rd party/undecided voters.Digging into the pres vote crosstabs:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Young voters (18-34) go from Biden 44-36 (+8) to Harris 57-37 (+20)
- Independents go from Trump 48-32 (+16) to Trump 49-41 (+8)
- Harris picks up 7pp among Black voters and 8pp among Hispanic voters, almost all from 3rd party/undecideds
I imagine she is going to improve from that.
nai06 said:I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.La Bamba said:
"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."
-Dems everywhere
If you think the vast majority of Republican's don't feel the same way about whomever the Democrats run, I've got a bridge to sell you.
If the man drops out he drops out. He should have never sought reelection in the first place. I don't want to lose the presidency to Trump and regardless of who the Democrats put out there, I am going to vote for them to keep Trump from winning. Biden wasn't my first choice last time around and I still voted for him to keep Trump out.La Bamba said:nai06 said:I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.La Bamba said:
"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."
-Dems everywhere
If you think the vast majority of Republican's don't feel the same way about whomever the Democrats run, I've got a bridge to sell you.
You will support undermining your own primary process to keep Trump out of office? You would let your Democratic Party daddies tell you who to vote for because you're so terrified of a Trump presidency…
Even though you lived from 2016-2020 and are likely better off than 95% of the global population,
Please get off of MSNBC. You're pathetic.
nai06 said:
Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.We @Civiqs started tracking Trump vs. Harris two weeks ago. Normally this info is paywalled, but this deserves sharing:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Through 7/21, Biden trailed Trump 46-44 nationally; Harris was ahead 48-46. Trump is stuck at a ceiling of 46. Harris gains from 3rd party/undecided voters.Digging into the pres vote crosstabs:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Young voters (18-34) go from Biden 44-36 (+8) to Harris 57-37 (+20)
- Independents go from Trump 48-32 (+16) to Trump 49-41 (+8)
- Harris picks up 7pp among Black voters and 8pp among Hispanic voters, almost all from 3rd party/undecideds
I imagine she is going to improve from that.
lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?Edward_Colston said:
and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
nai06 said:lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?Edward_Colston said:
and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
In any case, Drew Linzer is the Director of Civiqs which is a large online polling and opinion research firm
nai06 said:If the man drops out he drops out. He should have never sought reelection in the first place. I don't want to lose the presidency to Trump and regardless of who the Democrats put out there, I am going to vote for them to keep Trump from winning. Biden wasn't my first choice last time around and I still voted for him to keep Trump out.La Bamba said:nai06 said:I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.La Bamba said:
"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."
-Dems everywhere
If you think the vast majority of Republican's don't feel the same way about whomever the Democrats run, I've got a bridge to sell you.
You will support undermining your own primary process to keep Trump out of office? You would let your Democratic Party daddies tell you who to vote for because you're so terrified of a Trump presidency…
Even though you lived from 2016-2020 and are likely better off than 95% of the global population,
Please get off of MSNBC. You're pathetic.
It is no different than Republicans voting to keep Democrats out of office. At least I'll be honest and tell you to your face unlike a bunch of conservatives that will tip toe around the issue.
Teslag said:nai06 said:
Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.We @Civiqs started tracking Trump vs. Harris two weeks ago. Normally this info is paywalled, but this deserves sharing:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Through 7/21, Biden trailed Trump 46-44 nationally; Harris was ahead 48-46. Trump is stuck at a ceiling of 46. Harris gains from 3rd party/undecided voters.Digging into the pres vote crosstabs:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Young voters (18-34) go from Biden 44-36 (+8) to Harris 57-37 (+20)
- Independents go from Trump 48-32 (+16) to Trump 49-41 (+8)
- Harris picks up 7pp among Black voters and 8pp among Hispanic voters, almost all from 3rd party/undecideds
I imagine she is going to improve from that.
Nice selective look at a poll. Now look at all of them.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls
You can look at the above link for all recent polls. Harris is in a world of **** against Trump and those swing state polls last Thursday are especially brutal for her.
Harris will need to win midwestern whites like Biden could. She can't. She's simply too unlikeable to them.
yes civiqs was founded by the daily kos founder...lmaonai06 said:lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?Edward_Colston said:
and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
In any case, Drew Linzer is the Director of Civiqs which is a large online polling and opinion research firm
from wiki looking fwd to more of your daily kos polling updates.Quote:
Civiqs is an online opinion polling and data analytics company founded by Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas in March 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civiqs#cite_note-1][1][/url] It is a division of Kos Media, which Moulitsas also founded. The director of Civiqs is Drew Linzer.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civiqs#cite_note-2][2][/url] It is distinguished from other online polling firms by the large number of respondents to its polls, which it has recruited from across the United States through an online panel and asks questions on a daily basis. This allows Civiqs to monitor trends in public opinion over short periods of time, as well as across different demographic and geographic categories.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civiqs#cite_note-3][3][/url]
References
Sorry who are you again?Edward_Colston said:yes civiqs was founded by the daily kos founder...lmaonai06 said:lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?Edward_Colston said:
and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
In any case, Drew Linzer is the Director of Civiqs which is a large online polling and opinion research firm
— 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸James in SW🍑GA🍑 🇺🇸🇮🇱🇺🇸 (@JamesInSWGA) July 23, 2024
nai06 said:Teslag said:nai06 said:
Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.We @Civiqs started tracking Trump vs. Harris two weeks ago. Normally this info is paywalled, but this deserves sharing:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Through 7/21, Biden trailed Trump 46-44 nationally; Harris was ahead 48-46. Trump is stuck at a ceiling of 46. Harris gains from 3rd party/undecided voters.Digging into the pres vote crosstabs:
— Drew Linzer (@DrewLinzer) July 22, 2024
- Young voters (18-34) go from Biden 44-36 (+8) to Harris 57-37 (+20)
- Independents go from Trump 48-32 (+16) to Trump 49-41 (+8)
- Harris picks up 7pp among Black voters and 8pp among Hispanic voters, almost all from 3rd party/undecideds
I imagine she is going to improve from that.
Nice selective look at a poll. Now look at all of them.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls
You can look at the above link for all recent polls. Harris is in a world of **** against Trump and those swing state polls last Thursday are especially brutal for her.
Harris will need to win midwestern whites like Biden could. She can't. She's simply too unlikeable to them.
Great! Than Republicans should have no reason to worry that Kamala Harris is going to be the likely Democratic Nominee. I should expect no doom and gloom from all the conservatives on this board right? Republicans know that the race just got more difficult for Trump. Anyone who doesn't realize that isn't paying attention. Democrats are raking in donations and are going to put on a full court press in the next 4 months.
So game on as far as I am concerned.