Dems at least appear to be getting behind Kamala...

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Hoyt Ag said:

$81 million raised in 24 hours.

Try 100 million

https://fortune.com/2024/07/22/donald-trump-kamala-harrie-campaign-trump-fundraising-battle-actblue-rnc-dnc/
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nai06 said:

So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.

And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.

But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.

I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

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She has some talking points:

Prosecutor vs convicted felon
Prosecutor vs adjudicated rapist
Prosector vs insurrectionist
Prosecutor vs guy who called Epstein ~100 times and had a 13 year Epstein victim file suit against him for rape before death threats freaked her out
50 year old vs 80 year old - 3 years of Fox saying an elderly man shouldn't be President doesn't help
Woman vs mysoginist accused of rape by ~30 women trying to eliminate a woman's right to choose (grab them by the *****… doesn't help)
Woman of color vs accused, central park 5 and others would argue real, racist…n bomb apprentice tapes wont help

She is 59 not 50. Trump is less than 20 yrs older.
If 3 years was a big gap between Trump and Biden, then 19 years is an unfathomable gap between Trump and Harris.

Dems get to play the reverse uno card on age now.
Shes a ****ing imbecile. That has nothing to do with her age, gender, or skin color.
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nai06 said:

Hoyt Ag said:

$81 million raised in 24 hours.

Try 100 million

https://fortune.com/2024/07/22/donald-trump-kamala-harrie-campaign-trump-fundraising-battle-actblue-rnc-dnc/
Paywall...
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True but nobody cared about age until Biden dropped out. Hell most libs on here were loving him until he couldn't win.


Harris isn't smart. Her word salads will turn people off. Throw in how she threw black men in prison like there was no tomorrow and that's a terrible combination.
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What's fascinating is all the libs that have reappeared after their boy Biden dropped out. Can't wait for Kamala to **** up and they all leave again.
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Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.

And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.

But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.

I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.


What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
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Of course, it's what the party demands
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nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.

And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.

But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.

I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.


What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Fair enough...

Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.
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Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.

And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.

But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.

I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.


What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Fair enough...

Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.


Agreed it's different, but the process is still the same. I mean if Trump felt like he couldn't win, that he didn't see a path forward, would you want him to stay in and take the L? Again I realize it isn't the same, but people drop out of the presidential nomination race all the time when they think they can't win. Biden certainly waited a really ****ing long time to do it and I wish he had bowed out sooner. But I don't think it's all that different than Desantis suspending his campaign.

I also have no doubt that several people tried to convince him he couldn't win. I suspect he was also being really hard headed about it as well. But at a certain point he realized the math wasn't there terms of funding, open support, and internal polling. So he packed it in and endorsed Kamala Harris.
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nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.

And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.

But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.

I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.


What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Fair enough...

Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.


Agreed it's different, but the process is still the same. I mean if Trump felt like he couldn't win, that he didn't see a path forward, would you want him to stay in and take the L? Again I realize it isn't the same, but people drop out of the presidential nomination race all the time when they think they can't win. Biden certainly waited a really ****ing long time to do it and I wish he had bowed out sooner. But I don't think it's all that different than Desantis suspending his campaign.

I also have no doubt that several people tried to convince him he couldn't win. I suspect he was also being really hard headed about it as well. But at a certain point he realized the math wasn't there terms of funding, open support, and internal polling. So he packed it in and endorsed Kamala Harris.

a) I didn't want Trump, but I'd be pissed if he just said "**** it, I can't win, y'all figure this out" and then the convention decided they wanted to pick Romney (as an example).

b) Sure, people drop out all the time. (Kamala did in 2020 with ZERO delegates). But, when have they dropped out between the voting/securing enough delegates and the convention?

c) Is this how you want the elections to be? Run the primary season...win...polls show you're going to lose, so **** it, you're out and we'll pick someone else? This goes for both parties.
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Harris is a hard core marxists. Harris gets George Soros approval. That is all you need to know.
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nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.

And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.

But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.

I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.


What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Fair enough...

Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.


Agreed it's different, but the process is still the same. I mean if Trump felt like he couldn't win, that he didn't see a path forward, would you want him to stay in and take the L? Again I realize it isn't the same, but people drop out of the presidential nomination race all the time when they think they can't win. Biden certainly waited a really ****ing long time to do it and I wish he had bowed out sooner. But I don't think it's all that different than Desantis suspending his campaign.

I also have no doubt that several people tried to convince him he couldn't win. I suspect he was also being really hard headed about it as well. But at a certain point he realized the math wasn't there terms of funding, open support, and internal polling. So he packed it in and endorsed Kamala Harris.


That's a lot of words to say you really don't care about democracy as long as your party benefits. This wasn't an accident. Everyone knew Biden had dementia. It was planned, known, and understood by your party for a long time. They knew full well they were going **** the primary voters.
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Teslag said:

nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

Ag with kids said:

nai06 said:

So far 1746 delegates have pledged their support for her and that doesn't include superdelegates. She needs 1976 to win on the first ballot. Assuming those numbers hold, she only needs to pick 230 delegates out of the remaining 2200.

And those aren't all party elites. Delegates are often regular people that work other jobs but volunteer for their local and state Democratic Party. Your local precinct chair could be a national delegate just as easily as a so called elite.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/
Interesting. A lot higher than I'd seen earlier. I'm actually happy about that.

But, as to your other point...By "elites", I was meaning party members that are now going to vote without the Dem voters getting a say.

I didn't like that Trump won the nomination. Hell, I wasn't going to vote for him until the lawfare conviction. But, at least the primary voters picked him.


What would you have them do? Have an entire primary all over again? Had the assassination attempt on Trump succeeded, Republicans would be doing the same thing. That's the process laid out by both parties
Fair enough...

Except, dropping out because you're losing vs being dead is slightly different.


Agreed it's different, but the process is still the same. I mean if Trump felt like he couldn't win, that he didn't see a path forward, would you want him to stay in and take the L? Again I realize it isn't the same, but people drop out of the presidential nomination race all the time when they think they can't win. Biden certainly waited a really ****ing long time to do it and I wish he had bowed out sooner. But I don't think it's all that different than Desantis suspending his campaign.

I also have no doubt that several people tried to convince him he couldn't win. I suspect he was also being really hard headed about it as well. But at a certain point he realized the math wasn't there terms of funding, open support, and internal polling. So he packed it in and endorsed Kamala Harris.


That's a lot of words to say you really don't care about democracy as long as your party benefits. This wasn't an accident. Everyone knew Biden had dementia. It was planned, known, and understood by your party for a long time. They knew full well they were going **** the primary voters.
That's a lot of words to say you feel like your party got out played. For what it's worth I don't think Biden backed out for health issues. I think he saw that he was losing support and was starting to poll poorly against Trump.


Is this also were I drop the line about how we aren't a democracy but a representative republic?
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We aren't the ones parading the democracy hammer around. That's you, so I'm not sure what the point of your line. Also not sure how we got played. Harris isn't polling much better than Biden, and in swing states she's worse in recent polls.
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"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."

-Dems everywhere
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Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.






I imagine she is going to improve from that.
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La Bamba said:

"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."

-Dems everywhere
I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.


If you think the vast majority of Republican's don't feel the same way about whomever the Democrats run, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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nai06 said:

Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.






I imagine she is going to improve from that.

nah harris wont win this move was about down ballot races...harris completely unlikable
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and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
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nai06 said:

La Bamba said:

"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."

-Dems everywhere
I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.


If you think the vast majority of Republican's don't feel the same way about whomever the Democrats run, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You will support undermining your own primary process to keep Trump out of office? You would let your Democratic Party daddies tell you who to vote for because you're so terrified of a Trump presidency…

Even though you lived from 2016-2020 and are likely better off than 95% of the global population,

Please get off of MSNBC. You're pathetic.
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I need to get a nausea prescription before the "hardball" interviews of Kamala get into full swing.

Kamala is bad enough to listen too... but these reporters are so far up her ass that "propaganda" isn't a sufficient descriptor.

All for a 3% primary drop out...
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La Bamba said:

nai06 said:

La Bamba said:

"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."

-Dems everywhere
I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.


If you think the vast majority of Republican's don't feel the same way about whomever the Democrats run, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You will support undermining your own primary process to keep Trump out of office? You would let your Democratic Party daddies tell you who to vote for because you're so terrified of a Trump presidency…

Even though you lived from 2016-2020 and are likely better off than 95% of the global population,

Please get off of MSNBC. You're pathetic.
If the man drops out he drops out. He should have never sought reelection in the first place. I don't want to lose the presidency to Trump and regardless of who the Democrats put out there, I am going to vote for them to keep Trump from winning. Biden wasn't my first choice last time around and I still voted for him to keep Trump out.

It is no different than Republicans voting to keep Democrats out of office. At least I'll be honest and tell you to your face unlike a bunch of conservatives that will tip toe around the issue.
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nai06 said:

Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.






I imagine she is going to improve from that.




Nice selective look at a poll. Now look at all of them.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

You can look at the above link for all recent polls. Harris is in a world of **** against Trump and those swing state polls last Thursday are especially brutal for her.

Harris will need to win midwestern whites like Biden could. She can't. She's simply too unlikeable to them.
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Edward_Colston said:

and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?


In any case, Drew Linzer is the Director of Civiqs which is a large online polling and opinion research firm
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nai06 said:

Edward_Colston said:

and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?


In any case, Drew Linzer is the Director of Civiqs which is a large online polling and opinion research firm


Who simply says what you agree with and therefore give him credibility
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You know full well in a primary Harris doesn't sniff the nomination. But you can't force a black woman aside if she's the VP. It's a Hail Mary and a desperate one at that. But you didn't really have a choice at his point. You have no choice but to go all in.
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Well imagine him disappearing when he couldn't defend Biden and running back because now there is hope. I expect he will disappear when Kamala does her famous word salad.
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nai06 said:

La Bamba said:

nai06 said:

La Bamba said:

"But but but but threat to Democracy…. unless it costs our party the election."

-Dems everywhere
I think Trump sucks and don't want him near the presidency ever again. I'll support any legal move that makes that keeps him from winning.


If you think the vast majority of Republican's don't feel the same way about whomever the Democrats run, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You will support undermining your own primary process to keep Trump out of office? You would let your Democratic Party daddies tell you who to vote for because you're so terrified of a Trump presidency…

Even though you lived from 2016-2020 and are likely better off than 95% of the global population,

Please get off of MSNBC. You're pathetic.
If the man drops out he drops out. He should have never sought reelection in the first place. I don't want to lose the presidency to Trump and regardless of who the Democrats put out there, I am going to vote for them to keep Trump from winning. Biden wasn't my first choice last time around and I still voted for him to keep Trump out.

It is no different than Republicans voting to keep Democrats out of office. At least I'll be honest and tell you to your face unlike a bunch of conservatives that will tip toe around the issue.

Apologies for calling you pathetic. Although I disagree with your take that was uncalled for.

Look, I was a Desantis guy. I was going to vote for him in the primary. I voted for Cruz in the 2016 primary. But Trump won. He earned the nomination fair and square. So I will back that.

But had shenanigans occurred to force Trump to be the nominee that didn't involve the majority of fellow Republicans choosing him, then I'd have a big problem with that. If we allow that, what's next? Voting is the single biggest tool we have as a democracy. And you lived through a Trump presidency, the country made it, and had it not been for a 100 year virus, it would have been a damn good 4 years.

So spare me the "avoiding Trump is more important that my ability to vote" narrative. Cause it's just not true and it's a massive liberal exaggeration.

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Teslag said:

nai06 said:

Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.






I imagine she is going to improve from that.




Nice selective look at a poll. Now look at all of them.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

You can look at the above link for all recent polls. Harris is in a world of **** against Trump and those swing state polls last Thursday are especially brutal for her.

Harris will need to win midwestern whites like Biden could. She can't. She's simply too unlikeable to them.

Great! Than Republicans should have no reason to worry that Kamala Harris is going to be the likely Democratic Nominee. I should expect no doom and gloom from all the conservatives on this board right? Republicans know that the race just got more difficult for Trump. Anyone who doesn't realize that isn't paying attention. Democrats are raking in donations and are going to put on a full court press in the next 4 months.

So game on as far as I am concerned.
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nai06 said:

Edward_Colston said:

and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?


In any case, Drew Linzer is the Director of Civiqs which is a large online polling and opinion research firm
yes civiqs was founded by the daily kos founder...lmao

Quote:

Civiqs is an online opinion polling and data analytics company founded by Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas in March 2018.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civiqs#cite_note-1][1][/url] It is a division of Kos Media, which Moulitsas also founded. The director of Civiqs is Drew Linzer.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civiqs#cite_note-2][2][/url] It is distinguished from other online polling firms by the large number of respondents to its polls, which it has recruited from across the United States through an online panel and asks questions on a daily basis. This allows Civiqs to monitor trends in public opinion over short periods of time, as well as across different demographic and geographic categories.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civiqs#cite_note-3][3][/url]

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from wiki looking fwd to more of your daily kos polling updates.
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Edward_Colston said:

nai06 said:

Edward_Colston said:

and whats with posters finding completely random people's tweets and posting as some sort of fact i see it all the time on here.
lol. Says the poster who created their account less than 24 hours ago. So are you a bot or someone else's sock?


In any case, Drew Linzer is the Director of Civiqs which is a large online polling and opinion research firm
yes civiqs was founded by the daily kos founder...lmao
Sorry who are you again?
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Daily reminder Kamala's daughter is a Hamas fund raiser:

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Why ask that? You disappeared when Biden was bumbling all over himself. Now you are back to tell us how great Kamala is even though she has done nothing. She has no real accomplishments
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nai06 said:

Teslag said:

nai06 said:

Polling from the last two weeks Harris v Trump, taken before Biden exited the race.






I imagine she is going to improve from that.




Nice selective look at a poll. Now look at all of them.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls

You can look at the above link for all recent polls. Harris is in a world of **** against Trump and those swing state polls last Thursday are especially brutal for her.

Harris will need to win midwestern whites like Biden could. She can't. She's simply too unlikeable to them.

Great! Than Republicans should have no reason to worry that Kamala Harris is going to be the likely Democratic Nominee. I should expect no doom and gloom from all the conservatives on this board right? Republicans know that the race just got more difficult for Trump. Anyone who doesn't realize that isn't paying attention. Democrats are raking in donations and are going to put on a full court press in the next 4 months.

So game on as far as I am concerned.


It actually got more difficult for you. You now have a Californian who is distinctly out of touch with what is going on outside her bubble. She does not play outside the coasts. Not at all.

Because she is a part of the Biden Administration, she will have to defend the Biden record. She has shown no ability to do that. Pretending the country has never had it so good will not get that done.

Outside the Cali/DC bubble, immigration is a major issue. She was named Border Czar by her boss. She made absolutely no progress and the White House she now must defend has aided and abetted illegal immigration rather than enforce the laws on the books.

You would have been better served throwing this to an open convention rather than handing to a total lightweight who cannot defend the Biden record in any public setting.
 
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