Trump classified documents case dismissed

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In reply to dreyOO • 11:48a, 7/15/24
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I hope that's true. We need more whistleblowers to stand up and stay strong. Not surprised there are huge bribes being thrown around. And copying Elon on that post was brilliant.
Jack Smith belongs in prison. How ironic.
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11:53a, 7/15/24
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Do not understand WHY or HOW this outcome took SOOOOOOOOOOOOO long. Smith's appt. status was known from day one. Is the Justice (?) System always this obtuse?

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Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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11:54a, 7/15/24
Imagine being lied to about:

Russiagate

Obama spying on political rivals

Hilary's e-mails were no big deal

The Hunter Biden Laptop

Joe Biden's mental health

COVID origins

The vaccine's effectiveness

Masking and social distancing

That ivermectin was just horse paste

That the burning and looting of our cities was mostly peaceful

That Jan 6 put our entire country at peril

That Joe isn't involved in Hunter's business dealings

That Joe is fundamentally honest

That the FBI pictures from the mar-a-lago raid were legit

and on and on...time and again been made to be a sucker for buying into things that are demonstrably false...

and yet you keep falling for it?

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me
Fool me constantly and I must be a left winger

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In reply to Pylon Cam • 11:56a, 7/15/24
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nortex97 said:
Aileen could be a good pick for AG.
If you consider corruption and rulings not based in fact/law to be "good", then she'd be a great pick.
Sarcasm duly noted.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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In reply to twk • 11:56a, 7/15/24
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Did Mueller prosecute anyone under his own name? Or were those farmed out to US Attorneys? I don't know.

All were signed by members of his office, if not him directly. Not other US Attorneys.

And FTR: Those indictments were all as overblown and full of speaking indictments that were completely unnecessary, hyperbolic and overreaching. Same as Smith's indictments. Just bad lawyering in my view. Experienced prosecutors should have known better.
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In reply to Pylon Cam • 11:58a, 7/15/24
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I can't think of a stupider thing to do politically than not to recharge him…letting a criminal get away with his crimes just because he's running for president would set an incredibly dangerous precedent.

If you actually cared about law and order, you would want Trump in prison where where he belongs. No one is above the law.
Who ordered the air strike in Afghanistan that killed a father and his children. Shouldn't that President be criminally charged for manslaughter.
Your argument doesn't make any sense and you are wrong.

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Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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In reply to SA68AG • 11:59a, 7/15/24
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If they refile, it gives Trump the perfect opportunity to talk about Biden's case being dismissed because Biden was found to be mentally incompetent.
AMEN!!!!
Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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In reply to will25u • 12:37p, 7/15/24
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WTH?!?
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In reply to outofstateaggie • 12:38p, 7/15/24
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Have zero idea what that is about.
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In reply to Jbob04 • 12:49p, 7/15/24
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Jbob04 said:
Rough few weeks for the libs


Eternity is gonna suck for them too.
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In reply to Jbob04 • 1:04p, 7/15/24
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Jbob04 said:
Rough few weeks for the libs


It's ok. It's about time that they got some **** to deal with instead of coasting
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1:08p, 7/15/24
Maybe this was decided back when they still figured the guy wouldn't miss? (Just a bad joke.)
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In reply to outofstateaggie • 3:13p, 7/15/24
outofstateaggie said:
will25u said:


WTH?!?
If true there should be some serious jail time for these people.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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In reply to richardag • 3:18p, 7/15/24
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outofstateaggie said:
will25u said:


WTH?!?
If true there should be some serious jail time for these people.


I'm sure this doesn't fit the definition of treason...

but it absolutely ****ing should.
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In reply to Jbob04 • 3:19p, 7/15/24
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Jbob04 said:
Rough few weeks for the libs
And Fani Willis' signature case against YSL just took another hit as Judge Glanville was booted from the case. He was recused by another judge today.
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3:20p, 7/15/24
Can it get any worse for Dems right now?

Biden still steps aside, but not sure who would really want to challenge Trump this cycle, after the assassination attempt. Still think HRC surfaces at DNC, but not sure if there will be enough mail ballots in circulation for her to steal the election after this historic shooting. So the calculus very diff now....

The circumstances were crazier than the Reagan shooting, with the whole SS dynamic. Nuts.
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In reply to Pylon Cam • 3:46p, 7/15/24
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Pylon Cam said:
I can't think of a stupider thing to do politically than not to recharge him…letting a criminal get away with his crimes just because he's running for president would set an incredibly dangerous precedent.

If you actually cared about law and order, you would want Trump in prison where he belongs. No one is above the law.
Really? Just like Biden, correct? Andy McCarthy said it best:
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Reminder: The Florida prosecution involves 32 felony Espionage Act charges (a combined potential 320 years' imprisonment for the 78-year-old former president) that Smith and Attorney General Merrick Garland have lodged. That, despite the fact that Garland and another special counsel he supervises, Robert Hur, decided to bring zero charges against Biden, who committed the same statutory offense illegal retention of national-defense intelligence. Indeed, Biden's lawlessness in this regard stretched back decades. Hur found that there was more than enough evidence to prosecute but suggested exercising discretion against indicting Biden because of his senescence.
Every single statement you made applies equally to Biden: "I can't think of a stupider thing to do politically than not to charge Biden ... letting a criminal get away with his crimes just because Biden is running for president would set an incredibly dangerous precedent. If you actually cared about law and order, you would want Biden in prison where he belongs. No one is above the law" My addition: even if their friend Hur thinks that they can't remember committing the crimes over a period of 30 years.
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In reply to Pylon Cam • 4:02p, 7/15/24
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Pylon Cam said:
nortex97 said:
Aileen could be a good pick for AG.
If you consider corruption and rulings not based in fact/law to be "good", then she'd be a great pick.
Man, you are on a roll today. It's rare to see so many hypocritical posts by the same person in the same day. Cannon was appointed by the president, and confirmed by the Senate, you know, as prescribed by the Constitution. That is in fact, the "law".

Smith was not appointed by Biden, nor was he confirmed by the Senate. The supreme law, sometimes called the Constitution, states that the power to initiate and prosecute criminal cases in the name of the United States is an executive power that can only be exercised by an "officer of the United States." Smith is not an officer of the US, as described by the law. His role, which is not in accordance with the law, is created only by regulations issued by the attorney general Janet Reno who promulgated them after the Independent Counsel law expired in 1999. Congress, sometimes called the "lawmakers" in our system, have not created a law to allow an AG to appoint a special counsel. Usually it makes no difference, because people like David Weiss (the special counsel for Hunter Biden), are already officers of the United States because they are already serving as U.S. Attorneys, who were appointed due to a law established by Congress. So, our man, Trump, appointed Cannon as prescribed by the law, and your man, Biden, and specifically his henchman, Garland, appointed Smith which is a perfect illustration of corruption because it is outside the law.
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In reply to whatthehey78 • 4:08p, 7/15/24
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whatthehey78 said:
Do not understand WHY or HOW this outcome took SOOOOOOOOOOOOO long. Smith's appt. status was known from day one. Is the Justice (?) System always this obtuse?

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Federal bench in DC, including the DC Circuit Court of Appeals are mostly trash lawyers who don't feel compelled to follow the law, much less the federal Constitution. And yes, that makes me very sad.
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In reply to backintexas2013 • 4:54p, 7/15/24
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So Biden who showed classified documents to people who didn't have clearance and kept them unsecured should be in prison too?
You're talking to an inanimate object.
Do you seriously think a pylon cam can follow logic?
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In reply to deddog • 4:57p, 7/15/24
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Him and Keith both said the ruling is wrong but gave no reason why. When people started posting why it was correct they slid off this thread.
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In reply to backintexas2013 • 5:02p, 7/15/24
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Him and Keith both said the ruling is wrong but gave no reason why. When people started posting why it was correct they slid off this thread.
What does Keith post as now?
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In reply to backintexas2013 • 5:06p, 7/15/24
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Him and Keith both said the ruling is wrong but gave no reason why. When people started posting why it was correct they slid off this thread.
Not to put too fine of a point on this but Smith tried to have it both ways on the two issues, appointments and appropriation issue. Claimed he was entitled to be paid under appropriations because he was an officer but he was not an officer for purposes of the appointments clause. S*** you not.

Cannon was never going to buy that crap but she gave Smith three days of hearings to make his case and convince her otherwise. He failed to do so.
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In reply to Horn_in_Aggieland • 5:07p, 7/15/24
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:29p, 7/15/24
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I asked this earlier, but it fell off quickly. Does this ruling have any possible affect on the D.C. case? I know that judge has been very anti-Trump on everything, but isn't Jack Smith the special counsel on that trial as well?
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In reply to SwigAg11 • 5:37p, 7/15/24
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I asked this earlier, but it fell off quickly. Does this ruling have any possible affect on the D.C. case? I know that judge has been very anti-Trump on everything, but isn't Jack Smith the special counsel on that trial as well?
Directly? No. Cannon and Chutkan are peers, not binding.

BUT Chutkan has already been ordered to conduct evidentiary hearings on the immunity issue. She'll likely rule against Trump (because she's dumb and can) and the DC Circuit will likely uphold her (because they are dumber)

And when there is a Circuit Court split (because the 11th will uphold Cannon's decision with Justice Thomas as their Supervisor and he made his views clear) goes back to SCOTUS.

Here's a bonus question to which I have no answer: Trump gets elected, his AG does NOT shut these down and they gothrough the appellate process. Will the Solicitor General then have to be Trump's counsel? LOL.
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In reply to annie88 • 5:39p, 7/15/24
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Did I read that correctly? Ten edits? Damn! Is that a new high?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:49p, 7/15/24
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aggiehawg said:
SwigAg11 said:
I asked this earlier, but it fell off quickly. Does this ruling have any possible affect on the D.C. case? I know that judge has been very anti-Trump on everything, but isn't Jack Smith the special counsel on that trial as well?
Directly? No. Cannon and Chutkan are peers, not binding.

BUT Chutkan has already been ordered to conduct evidentiary hearings on the immunity issue. She'll likely rule against Trump (because she's dumb and can) and the DC Circuit will likely uphold her (because they are dumber)

And when there is a Circuit Court split (because the 11th will uphold Cannon's decision with Justice Thomas as their Supervisor and he made his views clear) goes back to SCOTUS.

Here's a bonus question to which I have no answer: Trump gets elected, his AG does NOT shut these down and they gothrough the appellate process. Will the Solicitor General then have to be Trump's counsel? LOL.
Thank you for the great response.

I thought you would appreciate this tweet from Shipwreckedcrew based on what you've written on this.

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In reply to [removed post] • 5:57p, 7/15/24
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Good. That anti-American sack of **** can continue to show the country his Stalinist colors.
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6:07p, 7/15/24
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Out of curiosity if this dismissal gets upheld, what about all the money spent on this? Without proper jurisdiction, isn't all of this work considered void ab initio? In terms of money, are they just going to say "Sorry, we inappropriately spent all of that money." I think they're at least up to $12 million on this one case.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 6:23p, 7/15/24
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Did I read that correctly? Ten edits? Damn! Is that a new high?
Yeah, I couldn't get the gif to load correctly. Gave up.
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6:44p, 7/15/24
Very late here, but is the jist that there is no law allowing the appointment and the POTUS did not appoint?

It has to be one or the other?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 8:21p, 7/15/24
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Did I read that correctly? Ten edits? Damn! Is that a new high?

Worth a blue star!
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