aggiehawg said:After McKinley assassination I believe. Lincoln put them in Treasury to eliminate counterfeiting problems after the Civil War.Decay said:But personal protection is newer right?Stat Monitor Repairman said:
US Secret Service founded in 1865.
Not that they shouldn't be competent... they've been doing it for a while. But I don't think they've been guarding the president for 150+ years.
That helps explain that first shot.Madman said:
Crooks visited shooting range 43 times including the day before.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/records-reveal-trump-shooter-visited-local-gun-range-dozens-times-and-may-have-had
Are you nuts? Serious question. It was the SS responsibility to make sure they had comms with local law enforcement at the perimeter. They skipped the meeting.J. Walter Weatherman said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:These people do this for a living. Keeping this one guy from getting shot was central to their purpose. There's really no plausible explanation.J. Walter Weatherman said:Secret service has said they were not notified of the shooter and that the reports from the local police did not make it to their team at the stage, so that would be a pretty plausible explanation for why he wasn't removed. Has any of the body cam footage shown differently?Stat Monitor Repairman said:
There'll never be a passable explanation for why Trump wasn't removed from the stage. Thats the real issue now. There's nothing anyone can say at this point to escape that fact. There's no massaging the timeline with simultaneous live video from 100s of angles.
That doesn't answer the question. I agree the communication about someone on the roof should have gotten to them, but so far there's no evidence it did. The simple explanation is that they weren't notified, according to their own testimony, and no evidence has come out stating anything different.
‼️ Grassley wants answers on conflicting Secret Service vs. Butler police line of sight diagrams.
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 9, 2024
This is not all of what Secret Service Acting Dir. Rowe lied or provided misstatements about under sworn oath at the Senate hearing - but it is important. (He also lied about not… pic.twitter.com/34TLmdM848
captkirk said:‼️ Grassley wants answers on conflicting Secret Service vs. Butler police line of sight diagrams.
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 9, 2024
This is not all of what Secret Service Acting Dir. Rowe lied or provided misstatements about under sworn oath at the Senate hearing - but it is important. (He also lied about not… pic.twitter.com/34TLmdM848
El Gallo Blanco said:aggiehawg said:After McKinley assassination I believe. Lincoln put them in Treasury to eliminate counterfeiting problems after the Civil War.Decay said:But personal protection is newer right?Stat Monitor Repairman said:
US Secret Service founded in 1865.
Not that they shouldn't be competent... they've been doing it for a while. But I don't think they've been guarding the president for 150+ years.
El Gallo Blanco said:This was in front of the stage I believe...almost in a way that I would have though could have potentially been distracting to Trump. If I find it, I'll post it. It's possible my memory is hazy.J. Walter Weatherman said:El Gallo Blanco said:I honestly can't remember, it was pages ago...maybe many pages. Is it possible they were just responding to media people crawling around? Maybe, but my eyes sure felt like they were not deceiving me and their body language seemed very urgent, almost as if they were panicking and just learned of a threat over the earphones.J. Walter Weatherman said:El Gallo Blanco said:I don't know man...SS members in front of the stage were acting like they received word that sh** could potentially be going down very soon (frantically moving around etc) not long before the shots rang out. Their body language did not look "typical" at all.J. Walter Weatherman said:Stat Monitor Repairman said:
There'll never be a passable explanation for why Trump wasn't removed from the stage. Thats the real issue now. There's nothing anyone can say at this point to escape that fact. There's no massaging the timeline with simultaneous live video from 100s of angles.
Secret service has said they were not notified of the shooter and that the reports from the local police did not make it to their team at the stage, so that would be a pretty plausible explanation for why he wasn't removed. Has any of the body cam footage shown differently?
AT BEST...absolute jaw dropping incompetence...to a negligent degree. 3rd world-ish.
Which video is this referencing? I know there was one showing staffers moving media out of the way but not sure which one you're talking about.
Either way, there will never be any real evidence or "facts" presented. If questioned, agents or their bosses would just lie or stonewall anyways....like they always do. So all we can do is speculate based on our eyes, ears and assumptions.
I remember there was one a few pages back where someone in a suit was moving people from behind the stage in kind of a strangely aggressive way that looked weird, but then a follow up noted that it was a Trump campaign staffer just moving photographers to a different spot. I don't know that I've seen one showing SS acting panicked before the shots were fired.
And there have been plenty of facts presented. We have an entire timeline of the day, those facts and testimony just continue to point towards lazy incompetence by the USSS being taken advantage of by a crazy person (so far), so that's not enough for people who think there's more to it.
fightingfarmer09 said:
Didn't see this one posted.EXCLUSIVE: Haunting new footage from Trump rally shooting victim shows a figure moving across the roof before gunfire erupts: https://t.co/kBhnvoV81b pic.twitter.com/K97v8oi6r7
— Fox News (@FoxNews) July 31, 2024
You can see Crooks on the roof.
I found the positioning and readiness of the Secret Service below Trump as them knowing something was up.
BREAKING: The FBI withheld information on a FOIA request for information about its coordination with the U.S. Secret Service regarding the July 13 Butler, PA, rally at which former President Trump was shot (1/3). https://t.co/FbesRl0ddc
— Judicial Watch ⚖️ (@JudicialWatch) August 12, 2024
"The Biden-Harris administration is running a major league cover-up on the near assassination of former President Trump," @TomFitton (3/3). https://t.co/FbesRl0ddc
— Judicial Watch ⚖️ (@JudicialWatch) August 12, 2024
Catag94 said:
No doubt. With the shooter dead, this should make for a lot more questions?
It darn sure does look the SS agents are getting ready for something seconds before shots fired.Not Coach Jimbo said:fightingfarmer09 said:
Didn't see this one posted.EXCLUSIVE: Haunting new footage from Trump rally shooting victim shows a figure moving across the roof before gunfire erupts: https://t.co/kBhnvoV81b pic.twitter.com/K97v8oi6r7
— Fox News (@FoxNews) July 31, 2024
You can see Crooks on the roof.
I found the positioning and readiness of the Secret Service below Trump as them knowing something was up.
🚨🚨 EXCLUSIVE: A Secret Service special agent partially responsible for developing the plan to secure the rally where former President Trump was nearly assassinated is under internal agency investigation for POSTING VIDEOS AND PHOTOS FROM HER PROTECTIVE ASSIGNMENTS TO SOCIAL…
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 12, 2024
Sorry, but there are so many places women just don't belong. Let's quit pretending we are all exactly the same. It's a risky and foolish game.drcrinum said:🚨🚨 EXCLUSIVE: A Secret Service special agent partially responsible for developing the plan to secure the rally where former President Trump was nearly assassinated is under internal agency investigation for POSTING VIDEOS AND PHOTOS FROM HER PROTECTIVE ASSIGNMENTS TO SOCIAL…
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 12, 2024
This may explain that FOIA denial regarding Judicial Watch.
🚨🚨🚨Most important news from Secret Service Dir. Rowe's 1 p.m. address this afternoon to every Secret Service employee:
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 14, 2024
The Secret Service Butler rally that ended in an assassination attempt against Trump and the murder of rallygoer Corey Comperatore apparently DID NOT HAVE a… pic.twitter.com/jx5Z5y36DX
What a ****ing ridiculous set of statements. Were going to put some people from different departments in a room to figure this out, while stating we already do this at National Security Events, and then hinting its going to cost a lot more.drcrinum said:🚨🚨🚨Most important news from Secret Service Dir. Rowe's 1 p.m. address this afternoon to every Secret Service employee:
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 14, 2024
The Secret Service Butler rally that ended in an assassination attempt against Trump and the murder of rallygoer Corey Comperatore apparently DID NOT HAVE a… pic.twitter.com/jx5Z5y36DX
These people in charge are not competent.
Perpetual problem with government employee unions: seniority takes precedence over competence + it is virtually impossible to fire incompetent people.
JFABNRGR said:What a ****ing ridiculous set of statements. Were going to put some people from different departments in a room to figure this out, while stating we already do this at National Security Events, and then hinting its going to cost a lot more.drcrinum said:🚨🚨🚨Most important news from Secret Service Dir. Rowe's 1 p.m. address this afternoon to every Secret Service employee:
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 14, 2024
The Secret Service Butler rally that ended in an assassination attempt against Trump and the murder of rallygoer Corey Comperatore apparently DID NOT HAVE a… pic.twitter.com/jx5Z5y36DX
These people in charge are not competent.
Perpetual problem with government employee unions: seniority takes precedence over competence + it is virtually impossible to fire incompetent people.
Call SSG Crabtree (retired) (in charge of COMS) and any other member who ever manned one of our TOCs and we could help you out.
FEMA? Seems like they should focus on the fundamentals before dumping on more bureaucracy.Quote:
He said he's already stood up a task force that will be co-chaired by a Secret Service supervisor in the protective division in partnership with the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.
"We're going to bring together FEMA, we're going to bring together other operational elements of the department. We're going to bring in state and locals. We're going to get in a room, a small room and set them up to monitor communications with our counterpart."
drcrinum said:🚨🚨🚨Most important news from Secret Service Dir. Rowe's 1 p.m. address this afternoon to every Secret Service employee:
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 14, 2024
The Secret Service Butler rally that ended in an assassination attempt against Trump and the murder of rallygoer Corey Comperatore apparently DID NOT HAVE a… pic.twitter.com/jx5Z5y36DX
These people in charge are not competent.
Perpetual problem with government employee unions: seniority takes precedence over competence + it is virtually impossible to fire incompetent people.
I am frigging pissed because 27 years ago I was doing this and our largest operations had 9 separate local, state, & fed agencies over land, sea, and air. There were NO communication issues talking to each other other than individual radio issues like battery down and or reprogram and now they have software that can log all coms, which back then we didn't somebody had to manually log.Shoefly! said:JFABNRGR said:What a ****ing ridiculous set of statements. Were going to put some people from different departments in a room to figure this out, while stating we already do this at National Security Events, and then hinting its going to cost a lot more.drcrinum said:🚨🚨🚨Most important news from Secret Service Dir. Rowe's 1 p.m. address this afternoon to every Secret Service employee:
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 14, 2024
The Secret Service Butler rally that ended in an assassination attempt against Trump and the murder of rallygoer Corey Comperatore apparently DID NOT HAVE a… pic.twitter.com/jx5Z5y36DX
These people in charge are not competent.
Perpetual problem with government employee unions: seniority takes precedence over competence + it is virtually impossible to fire incompetent people.
Call SSG Crabtree (retired) (in charge of COMS) and any other member who ever manned one of our TOCs and we could help you out.
We were assured after 9/11 that the communications between city/state/ federal would be fixed. Billions of dollars later, what happened? Where's congress on this?
The Hub was still an active firefighter after 9/11. All of their comms were switched out and updated to allow for them to be not only in contact with their dispatch but with every other LEO agency and other first responders.JFABNRGR said:I am frigging pissed because 27 years ago I was doing this and our largest operations had 9 separate local, state, & fed agencies over land, sea, and air. There were NO communication issues talking to each other other than individual radio issues like battery down and or reprogram and now they have software that can log all coms, which back then we didn't somebody had to manually log.Shoefly! said:JFABNRGR said:What a ****ing ridiculous set of statements. Were going to put some people from different departments in a room to figure this out, while stating we already do this at National Security Events, and then hinting its going to cost a lot more.drcrinum said:🚨🚨🚨Most important news from Secret Service Dir. Rowe's 1 p.m. address this afternoon to every Secret Service employee:
— Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) August 14, 2024
The Secret Service Butler rally that ended in an assassination attempt against Trump and the murder of rallygoer Corey Comperatore apparently DID NOT HAVE a… pic.twitter.com/jx5Z5y36DX
These people in charge are not competent.
Perpetual problem with government employee unions: seniority takes precedence over competence + it is virtually impossible to fire incompetent people.
Call SSG Crabtree (retired) (in charge of COMS) and any other member who ever manned one of our TOCs and we could help you out.
We were assured after 9/11 that the communications between city/state/ federal would be fixed. Billions of dollars later, what happened? Where's congress on this?
Such BS, this was not a hardware capability issue this was intentional.
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According to my investigation, USSS had never, prior to J13, assigned a counter-sniper team to a former POTUS, including Trump. I will not be 100% certain of this assertion without further investigation into documented records, but USSS counter-sniper teams stated clearly to ESU Command that they had never been deployed to a former POTUS event, nor had they heard of a prior deployment by other USSS counter-sniper teams. Butler County runs the radio communications tower out of their 911 Call Center. That is pretty much the way radio communications work across America in every County, in every State. If their radios are "interoperable," a visiting law enforcement agency is assigned a frequency, a "channel" for their operation while in that County.
If their radios are not "interoperable" with the County Communications tower, then the visiting agency is assigned/offered actual radios to use while they are running their operation in the County.
USSS did not retrieve the radios that had been set aside for them by Butler County tactical command. The radio comms were properly and perfectly arranged during the extensive pre-mission planning. On J12, the Butler County ESU Commander personally reminded the USSS counter-sniper teams to pick up their assigned radios at the ESU Command Post RV, which was positioned according to planning at the Butler Fairgrounds, the following morning before 1100 hrs. It didn't happen. Radio traffic transmitted through a County Radio tower 911 Center is recorded.
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The 9th shot fired on J13 was from a Butler SWAT operator from the ground about 100 yards away from the AGR building. Shot 9 hit Crooks' rifle stock and fragged his face/neck/right shoulder area from the stock breaking up. The SWAT operator who took this shot was a total badass; when he had sighted the shooter Crooks as a mostly obscured by foliage moving target on the AGR rooftop, he immediately left his assigned post and ran towards the threat, running to a clear shot position directly into the line of fire while Crooks was firing 8 rounds.
On his own, this ESU SWAT operator took a very hard shot, one shot. He stopped Crooks and importantly, I believe the shot damaged the buffer tube on Crooks'AR. I won't be certain of this until I can examine Crooks' rifle, but I'm 99% sure, based upon reliable eye-witness ESU tactical officers who observed Crooks' rifle before the FBI harvested it as evidence. This means that if his AR buffer tube was damaged, Crooks' rifle wouldn't fire after his 8th shot.
Crooks "went down" from his firing position when shot 9 was fired, and the SWAT officer was certain of his hit. According to the ESU SWAT operator, Crooks recovered after just a few seconds, and "popped back up".
The 10th (and, I believe, final) shot was fired from the southern counter-sniper team. I will not be 100% certain of this until further investigation. However, I am quite sure that the USSS southern counter-sniper team fired the killing shot, which, according to my investigation, entered somewhere around the left mouth area and exited the right ear area. Instant over. This entry-exit aligns with USSS southern counter-sniper team position. The FBI released all First Responders that evening, much to everyone's surprise. I interviewed several... EMS, cops, etc.
Holy crap!Quote:
My effort to examine Crooks' body on Monday, August 5, caused quite a stir and revealed adisturbing fact… the FBI released the body for cremation 10 days after J13.
On J23, Crooks was gone. Nobody knew this until Monday, August 5, including the County Coroner, law enforcement, Sheriff, etc. Yes, Butler County Coroner technically had legal authority over the body, but I spoke with the Coroner, and he would have never released Crooks' body to the family for cremation or
burial without specific permission from the FBI.
They call that the Bin Laden special.aggiehawg said:
More:Holy crap!Quote:
My effort to examine Crooks' body on Monday, August 5, caused quite a stir and revealed adisturbing fact… the FBI released the body for cremation 10 days after J13.
On J23, Crooks was gone. Nobody knew this until Monday, August 5, including the County Coroner, law enforcement, Sheriff, etc. Yes, Butler County Coroner technically had legal authority over the body, but I spoke with the Coroner, and he would have never released Crooks' body to the family for cremation or
burial without specific permission from the FBI.
aggiehawg said:
This 12 minute stream is interesting.
