Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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aggiehawg said:



Can someone identify the type of scope here?

Source of picture is HERE


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Decay
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Yeah in that picture the grip and magazine is facing away towards the top. The red dot is sticking down and right. Down and left is maybe like charging handle or something?
WolfCall
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Anyone else heard this theory that Trump may have been hit by shrapnel and not by a bullet?

FBI strikes again.....

https://nypost.com/2024/07/25/us-news/fbi-director-christopher-wray-questions-whether-trump-was-struck-by-bullet/
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FBI director questions whether Trump was struck by bullet as ex-prez's team decries 'conspiracy bullst'
By Social Links forDiana Glebova and Social Links forIsabel Keane Published July 25, 2024, 2:11 p.m. ET

MarkTwain
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Decay said:

Yeah in that picture the grip and magazine is facing away towards the top. The red dot is sticking down and right. Down and left is maybe like charging handle or something?


Exactly



“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
Ellis Wyatt
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Yes. Look at the previous page.
Madman
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Decay said:

Yeah in that picture the grip and magazine is facing away towards the top. The red dot is sticking down and right. Down and left is maybe like charging handle or something?

Look closely at the front and just where the last pic rail would be.

They look like folding offset irons.

Edit. Obviously in addition to the red dot of some sort. But it explains the odd looking thing sticking down near the ejection port.

aggiehawg
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Shrapnel from what? Trump was hit with the first shot. The bullet did not hit anything before it hit Trump.

As usual Wray was lying or suggesting something that he knows is false.
zgolfz85
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I don't understand what libs gain by claiming he wasn't hit directly? It was clearly an assassination attempt whether he was struck or not. It just makes them look petty. This is not a conspiracy theory with a payoff, it's just childish.
MarkTwain
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WolfCall said:

Anyone else heard this theory that Trump may have been hit by shrapnel and not by a bullet?

FBI strikes again.....

https://nypost.com/2024/07/25/us-news/fbi-director-christopher-wray-questions-whether-trump-was-struck-by-bullet/
Quote:

FBI director questions whether Trump was struck by bullet as ex-prez's team decries 'conspiracy bullst'
By Social Links forDiana Glebova and Social Links forIsabel Keane Published July 25, 2024, 2:11 p.m. ET




Good Lord

Wray was asked by a liberal idiot if all the bullets were accounted for and whether Trump was actually hit by one and not by shards of glass and his answer was

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"Although there have been some that have questioned whether or not the former president was hit by a bullet or shrapnel it's simply inconceivable based on the evidence we've gathered, although as I sit here right now, I don't know whether that bullet, in addition to causing the grazing, could have also landed somewhere else. But I believe we've accounted for all of the shots in the cartridges."


And the MSM twisted what he said from there, because he didn't say what he should have said "Hey you idiot he was shot and we accounted for all the cartridges and bullets."


“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
aggiehawg
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And the MSM twisted what he said from there, because he didn't say what he should have said "Hey you idiot he was shot and we accounted for all the cartridges and bullets."
As Wray knew they would.
oh no
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zgolfz85 said:

I don't understand what libs gain by claiming he wasn't hit directly? It was clearly an assassination attempt whether he was struck or not. It just makes them look petty. This is not a conspiracy theory with a payoff, it's just childish.
i think a belief that he wasn't directly shot would support their confirmation bias they were programmed with that Trump is just an actor and nothing more
Science Denier
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Ellis Wyatt said:

aggiehawg said:


It is time for the new director to be brought into Congress for grilling and then summarily fired.
Why would SS decline the use of a drone? Other than, well, you know.
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oh no said:

zgolfz85 said:

I don't understand what libs gain by claiming he wasn't hit directly? It was clearly an assassination attempt whether he was struck or not. It just makes them look petty. This is not a conspiracy theory with a payoff, it's just childish.
i think a belief that he wasn't directly shot would support their confirmation bias they were programmed with that Trump is just an actor and nothing more



Oh there are idiots on Twitter saying with all Trumps appearances on the WWE he learned how to cut himself like the do in the ring at the WWE.


Because the government is never transparent and forthcoming with facts they purposely fuel this type of Qanon level stupidity
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
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oh no said:

zgolfz85 said:

I don't understand what libs gain by claiming he wasn't hit directly? It was clearly an assassination attempt whether he was struck or not. It just makes them look petty. This is not a conspiracy theory with a payoff, it's just childish.
i think a belief that he wasn't directly shot would support their confirmation bias they were programmed with that Trump is just an actor and nothing more
that's true -- it does help feed their TDS in thinking Trump just concocted all this drama to feed his ego and make him more of a god
aggiehawg
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Science Denier said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

aggiehawg said:


It is time for the new director to be brought into Congress for grilling and then summarily fired.
Why would SS decline the use of a drone? Other than, well, you know.
Only reason I can think of was that they didn't have the drone detection system deployed to that location. But then I have also heard that they did have the drone detection system there. Until someone outside of the USSS gets access to the OpSec plan for that rally, no one can say for sure.
Ellis Wyatt
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aggiehawg said:

Science Denier said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

aggiehawg said:


It is time for the new director to be brought into Congress for grilling and then summarily fired.
Why would SS decline the use of a drone? Other than, well, you know.
Only reason I can think of was that they didn't have the drone detection system deployed to that location. But then I have also heard that they did have the drone detection system there. Until someone outside of the USSS gets access to the OpSec plan for that rally, no one can say for sure.
Nope. They deliberately gave Trump short shrift.

They knew he was under the highest threat level and they specifically knew Iran had been interested in killing him. I am not saying they wanted him dead, but they deliberately devoted minimal resources to his protection.

They couldn't use local LEO drones, but they allowed the kid to fly HIS?! Get the **** outta here.
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Facts only thread

These are facts:

txags92
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MarkTwain said:

oh no said:

zgolfz85 said:

I don't understand what libs gain by claiming he wasn't hit directly? It was clearly an assassination attempt whether he was struck or not. It just makes them look petty. This is not a conspiracy theory with a payoff, it's just childish.
i think a belief that he wasn't directly shot would support their confirmation bias they were programmed with that Trump is just an actor and nothing more



Oh there are idiots on Twitter saying with all Trumps appearances on the WWE he learned how to cut himself like the do in the ring at the WWE.


Because the government is never transparent and forthcoming with facts they purposely fuel this type of Qanon level stupidity
When democrats do it, it is called BlueAnon.
MarkTwain
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This is a full body cam video that gives better perspectives

And as it looks to me the USSS sniper team that was on the closest barn behind Trump had no line of sight due to the tree

Real good look at the AR and it's definitely a red dot optic



“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
aggiehawg
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That's from the Grassley release, correct?
good nuggets
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This seems much longer than the Grassley release yesterday but I'm assuming it's from the same FOIA request.
MarkTwain
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aggiehawg said:

That's from the Grassley release, correct?


Looks like the full length of the same body/Head camera

The one Grassley released was just an excerpt from this same camera
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aggiehawg
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Gateway Pundit has loaded some of what Grassley has released but it is a large file and is taking them time to do so. You can some of the video HERE
MarkTwain
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The Grassley release


“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
JFABNRGR
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MarkTwain said:

This is a full body cam video that gives better perspectives

And as it looks to me the USSS sniper team that was on the closest barn behind Trump had no line of sight due to the tree

Real good look at the AR and it's definitely a red dot optic






Small screen watching but looks like i was right about 3 shots w muzzle over ridge, then he moved during the pause, then the rest but with muzzle on his side of ridge.

Should have had a team on water tower and this building.

Would like to interview Greg.
Catag94
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Why you think he was so far from his rifle? That strange to you?
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Catag94 said:

Why you think he was so far from his rifle? That strange to you?


I am assuming the first officer on him moved it away from his body, but I have been hoping to see that on an officers body cam. Otherwise yes very strange. That issue needs to be confirmed at some point.
Catag94
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JFABNRGR said:

Catag94 said:

Why you think he was so far from his rifle? That strange to you?


I am assuming the first officer on him moved it away from his body, but I have been hoping to see that on an officers body cam. Otherwise yes very strange. That issue needs to be confirmed at some point.


Seems like a lot of touching and moving items for a crime scene gloves or no gloves to me. But I'm not LE.
FTAG 2000
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It's not strange. Law enforcement moves weapons away from bad guys as a matter of procedure.
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FTAG 2000 said:

It's not strange. Law enforcement moves weapons away from bad guys as a matter of procedure.


I agree with this but in thinking about assuming he was killed with it in his arms and likely a right handed shooter I would expect to see the rifle placed to his right NOT his left. Anybody know if he is left handed?

Since he was domed I would also think it logical that LEA would not do the norm by removing it but who knows. Besides wanting to see body cam moving it, a close up showing blood on it would also be very useful.
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It's like the question of "who removed the batteries from the transmitter at the crime scene?"

The bomb squad did. They have priority to safe the scene and have a reasonable expectation to move evidence when doing that course of action. Just like you're not worried about spoliation of evidence if you're removing the gun from the suspect, or shooting them, or pulling them out of their car.
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Catag94 said:

JFABNRGR said:

Catag94 said:

Why you think he was so far from his rifle? That strange to you?


I am assuming the first officer on him moved it away from his body, but I have been hoping to see that on an officers body cam. Otherwise yes very strange. That issue needs to be confirmed at some point.


Seems like a lot of touching and moving items for a crime scene gloves or no gloves to me. But I'm not LE.
Kicking a gun away from a guy that just shot people is pretty standard procedure.
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FTAG 2000 said:

It's not strange. Law enforcement moves weapons away from bad guys as a matter of procedure.


Exactly he was disarmed by the first officer there who had to literally pull it from his dead hands


“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
Decay
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JFABNRGR said:

FTAG 2000 said:

It's not strange. Law enforcement moves weapons away from bad guys as a matter of procedure.


I agree with this but in thinking about assuming he was killed with it in his arms and likely a right handed shooter I would expect to see the rifle placed to his right NOT his left. Anybody know if he is left handed?

Since he was domed I would also think it logical that LEA would not do the norm by removing it but who knows. Besides wanting to see body cam moving it, a close up showing blood on it would also be very useful.
The policy is to separate the gun from the shooter. He could be sawn in half and they'd pull the gun out of his hands.
Catag94
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This makes sense and presumably, there are plenty of photos of it as found prior to removing.

Thanks.
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