FireAg said:

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The only "truths" we know for sure:

1. Goofy 20yo kid draws a ton of attention to himself most of the afternoon and then climbs up on a roof…

2. Four casualties from gunfire on/close to the stage…

3. Goofy 20yo kid dies from GSW on top of a tin roof…

That's quite literally all we really know for sure at this point…

Literally everything else is rumor or theory…

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Been 9 days and this all we know. That is what is laughable

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Trump turns toward the screen, right as the shot whizzes by his right ear. Trump's nose is basically pointed at the shooter. If the shooter was in the second story windows off to the left in this photo, then when Trump turns, he probably gets hit in the left side of the face and dies, or at the least gets winged in the nose.

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It's as if the SS snipers are in perfect position to fire on the 20 yr. old patsy.....err....shooter.

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except the snipers in the yellow square didn't take the shot because they were obstructed. It has been reported officially that they did not take the shot and video evidence also doesn't show them taking a shot

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Obstructed by what?

GAC06 said:

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The failure was having that rooftop unsecured within easy firing range of Trump. There are probably people on SS's radar at lost events like this. Until he was in position with a weapon, he was just "suspicious". They're not going to shut down events for a suspicious person outside the security cordon or these events would never happen.

Huge lapse not having that building secured and/or directly observed at all times.

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I can agree with that, but the failure still would've occurred even if someone was on that roof. He would've just been somewhere else.

JFABNRGR said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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PA24 said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Trump turns toward the screen, right as the shot whizzes by his right ear. Trump's nose is basically pointed at the shooter. If the shooter was in the second story windows off to the left in this photo, then when Trump turns, he probably gets hit in the left side of the face and dies, or at the least gets winged in the nose.

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It's as if the SS snipers are in perfect position to fire on the 20 yr. old patsy.....err....shooter.

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except the snipers in the yellow square didn't take the shot because they were obstructed. It has been reported officially that they did not take the shot and video evidence also doesn't show them taking a shot

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Obstructed by what?

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Supposedly by the trees by the shooter's building

This tree:

Guppy91 said:

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This tree:

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Has this been shown to be 100% fact yet?

I have not seen a pic taken from shooters position to sniper team or vice versa on the exact azimuth to date.

JFABNRGR said:

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Guppy91 said:

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This tree:

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Has this been shown to be 100% fact yet?

I have not seen a pic taken from shooters position to sniper team or vice versa on the exact azimuth to date.

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The photographic evidence seems reasonable.

JFABNRGR said:

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Guppy91 said:

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This tree:

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Has this been shown to be 100% fact yet?

I have not seen a pic taken from shooters position to sniper team or vice versa on the exact azimuth to date.

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It's not iron clad but that diagram does seem to match the pictures of where Crooks's body was after he got shot

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oh no said:

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what a lottery the secret service is. some agents got to live in a taxpayer-funded beachfront mansion in Malibu for two years protecting Hunter while he finger painted.

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If you dive deep into the USSS controversies the last couple decades, a lot of them lived like Hunter Biden, no matter what detail they were on.

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41's detail was notorious for chasing coeds in College Station, even the married ones.

SeanAg05 said:

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You're just deflecting.. the guy was identified as suspicious, period.. he was identified as a threat, period.. the rally was not delayed, period..

it was total failure anyway you look at it.. there were plenty of signs and plenty of time to prevent this

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I think the snipers that did finally shoot Crooks, were probably dumbfounded as to why the Snipers that were supposed to be in the 2 story building next to him weren't doing anything? And, probably unsure if he was armed or not since they weren't doing anything about him. They very likely never got the call/ got the message from the police on the ground who had had the gun pointed at them by Crooks, or maybe when they finally got the message, it might have been too late to do anything to stop Crooks from getting a shot off for them anyway. Plus, at least one of the sniper teams that was a little closer had the tree blocking their view further complicating everything. Total clusterfugg...

Do not have vs Did not keep are not necessarily the same

We don't have coms…means…we already turned all the files over to the FBI so they could be properly destroyed…err…investigated.

It remains unclear where on the roof the shooter was firing from.

Initial understanding was that the guy was set up prone and firing over the peak of the roof. The idea being he was concealed by the back side of the roof, and allegedly in the shadow of a large tree which was alleged to have obstructed the sniper team's view.

His final resting place looks like the very edge of the roof and some distance from the peak of the roof. You can see the guy's shoe halfway sticking over the ledge of the roof.

Did the guy get up and run or bear-crawl to this position and then was shot through the orbital or is this the location where he was alleged to have fired from?

Would this be an explanation for why at least one of the shots fired by the snipers missed? He running around and not sitting still in prone?

People on the ground 50 feet away were watching the guy from ground level and recording video of him on the roof. If he would have been on the interior iof the roof he'd be difficult to see from ground level. The cops had to get a boost to see the guy but could have seen him from ground level.

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It remains unclear where on the roof the shooter was firing from....

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What about muzzle fire? Did anyone see that, or actually see him fire a gun? Or see his body absorbing recoil?

Texas velvet maestro said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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It remains unclear where on the roof the shooter was firing from....

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What about muzzle fire? Did anyone see that, or actually see him fire a gun? Or see his body absorbing recoil?

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Very little (if any) recoil on an AR-15

Seems like there should be some video of the guy firing. By the time he fired people on the ground had been filming for a couple minutes it looks like.

Somebody slips on a grape in walmart and phones come out and start recording. The had to be some video of this guy shooting from his firing position and final resting place.

Maybe you got people with other video angles trying to make deals to sell that video and it hasn't been posted by whoever has it. New angles of 9-11 trickled out for years after.

Not trying to draw any inference here. We looking to determine based on available evidence whether the guy's shooting position and final resting place are the same place.

Does the photo above show the shooter and the cops inside the CBS News confirmed red box?

Where on this map were they standing in the above photo?

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Seems like there should be some video of the guy firing. By the time he fired people on the ground had been filming for a couple minutes it looks like.

Somebody slips on a grape in walmart and phones come out and start recording. The had to be some video of this guy shooting from his firing position and final resting place.

Maybe you got people with other video angles trying to make deals to sell that video and it hasn't been posted by whoever has it. New angles of 9-11 trickled out for years after.

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yep. once he was spotted, seems like someone would have kept a camera on him.
He fired all those shots, except one, from where it's reported he fired them.

Are the trees in the background of pic 1 the same trees as in pic 3?

Also where on pic 2 was pic 1 taken?

Is it possible to establish that fact?

Well Cheatle testified for a couple of hours today, and she lied apparently, or contradicted herself and obfuscated and passed the buck to the FBI and was unprepared, but the one single thing I believe she did confirm was the lone gunman, just one 20 year old, and the one neutralizing shot to take him out.

So we know he fired the shots. maybe he slid down a slope when he was neutralized or rolled over.


Very little (if any) recoil on an AR-15

Yessir I've fired one, but I'm sure if you were looking at the highest body parts (prob shoulder) on a 150lb prone shooter on a metal roof instead of earth you would see him twitch w the shooting.

Texas velvet maestro said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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It remains unclear where on the roof the shooter was firing from....

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What about muzzle fire? Did anyone see that, or actually see him fire a gun? Or see his body absorbing recoil?

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From a .223?

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Cheatle has resigned. Finally. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-director-cheatle-resigns-mounting-pressure-wake-trump-assassination-attempt

I_bleed_maroon said:

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Cheatle has resigned. Finally. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-director-cheatle-resigns-mounting-pressure-wake-trump-assassination-attempt

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still sticking w the facts.
Crooks fired all those shots, except one, from where it's reported he fired them. The last shot neutralized the lone gunman/bad actor Crooks. The apparent stand-down was a one-off and DEI related. gotta fix that. The vaccines are safe and effective per the CDC.