drcrinum said:

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Remember when they said Secret Service were stationed *inside* the buildings where the shooter tried to kill Trump?

Here’s a look through their windows

They could’ve shot him with a pistol

So now the question is, were there actually USSS agents in there?

Or was that a lie? pic.twitter.com/6ZhJXjMTVR

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) July 22, 2024

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There were police snipers here, not SS right? And one of them is the one who went downstairs to try and find the guy when the final reports of him were coming in?

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I thought that picture was a fake from the guy on Twitter who looked vaguely like him? Because it came out almost immediately

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Best guess according to the Senator's prelim report, is this is the photo the snipers took and circulated amongst themselves and the rest of the police for an ~hour before the shooting. Somehow this photo gets forwarded to someone and eventually gets posted by someone who got it second / third hand and thats why we saw it first and almost immediately after the incident.

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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That video is up against the window and looking that direction. The team in that building was said to be a sniper team not counter sniper.

Snipers don't set up in windows, they set up back in a room and shoot out. Their goal was to take out threats in the crowd.

Also that is the crew who was said to have left their post for 6 min correct?

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What are you saying exactly?

They sat in a room and were told someone was on the roof below them with a gun, and either didn't look, or weren't allowed to look or act?

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where has it been stated they were told there was a threat on the roof? In that roof back in the room you aren't seeing people under the trees pointing, you dang sure aren't hearing them and there has been zero proof of what was said over radio Comm's, on what channel, or to who.

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Local police said there was an all group channel days ago. People reported the guy climbing on the roof to police long before he shot...

And It was certainly raidioed that they were looking into someone on the roof before two officers climbed onto the roof.

You're just flat out making excuses for this **** show now... or you haven't kept up with story enough to engage in the conversation.

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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That video is up against the window and looking that direction. The team in that building was said to be a sniper team not counter sniper.

Snipers don't set up in windows, they set up back in a room and shoot out. Their goal was to take out threats in the crowd.

Also that is the crew who was said to have left their post for 6 min correct?

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What are you saying exactly?

They sat in a room and were told someone was on the roof below them with a gun, and either didn't look, or weren't allowed to look or act?

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where has it been stated they were told there was a threat on the roof? In that roof back in the room you aren't seeing people under the trees pointing, you dang sure aren't hearing them and there has been zero proof of what was said over radio Comm's, on what channel, or to who.

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Who do you think you are? Kim Cheatle? The questions you asked were all answered almost immediately in the days following.

Dont pretend to be stupid for its own sake.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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That video is up against the window and looking that direction. The team in that building was said to be a sniper team not counter sniper.

Snipers don't set up in windows, they set up back in a room and shoot out. Their goal was to take out threats in the crowd.

Also that is the crew who was said to have left their post for 6 min correct?

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What are you saying exactly?

They sat in a room and were told someone was on the roof below them with a gun, and either didn't look, or weren't allowed to look or act?

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where has it been stated they were told there was a threat on the roof? In that roof back in the room you aren't seeing people under the trees pointing, you dang sure aren't hearing them and there has been zero proof of what was said over radio Comm's, on what channel, or to who.

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Local police said there was an all group channel days ago. People reported the guy climbing on the roof to police long before he shot...

And It was certainly raidioed that they were looking into someone on the roof before two officers climbed onto the roof.

You're just flat out making excuses for this **** show now... or you haven't kept up with story enough to engage in the conversation.

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Would encourage you to read Sen. Johnson's report. Seems to be the more comprehensive so far and he talks about how silo'd the comms were and that being one of the main issues.

2) Local law enforcement said communications were siloed and they were not in frequent radio contact directly with Secret Service; pic.twitter.com/yIAPhtAcQd

— Senator Ron Johnson (@SenRonJohnson) July 21, 2024

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/4E6577F1-8AD2-4CB9-9FC7-5896C27A9647

[Take a break, and take the conspiracies to the conspiracy thread -- Staff]

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techno-ag said:

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ballchain said:

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drcrinum said:

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Remember when they said Secret Service were stationed *inside* the buildings where the shooter tried to kill Trump?

Here’s a look through their windows

They could’ve shot him with a pistol

So now the question is, were there actually USSS agents in there?

Or was that a lie? pic.twitter.com/6ZhJXjMTVR

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) July 22, 2024

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Relevant from this vantage point…

I believe I figured out where this photo of Crooks was taken from. Would love others perspectives on this. From what we are told this photo was taken by a law enforcement sniper…🧵 pic.twitter.com/ulI0MDd5vL

— ||The*Magician|| (@justicecoyote) July 20, 2024

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That makes sense. Earlier speculation was, it was from a drone. But Cheatle said no drones, right?

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If you can see the whole thread on that X Post, it reveals where the perp was at exactly when that pic was as taken.

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can you post it for us non X folks?

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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This mobile ad data tracking is legit and has been discussed on here in the past. Basically looking at the proximity of mobile ad serves and instances where theres multiple recurrences of someone being in proximity to the target. they used this tech recently to track people that had visited Epstein's sex island and had tracked targets back to their homes and offices.

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Would someone in the FBI be stupid enough to take their cell phone when they went to visit Crooks and plan an assassination? This seems to good to be true...

It was also stated that everyone was on a single tac channel and everyone with a radio heard….until it came out that local Leo and SS were in fact not on the same tac channel

We've been told there was a third sniper team that was *supposed* to be posted. We were also told that third sniper team didn't show up to their post for an unexplained reason.

Now it seems there was somebody in tel he second floor of the metal building behind Crooks.

This makes the SS's explanation even more suspect….

I'm not a conspiracy guy, but wow…..I don't understand how this could possibly be mere incompetence….

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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That video is up against the window and looking that direction. The team in that building was said to be a sniper team not counter sniper.

Snipers don't set up in windows, they set up back in a room and shoot out. Their goal was to take out threats in the crowd.

Also that is the crew who was said to have left their post for 6 min correct?

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What are you saying exactly?

They sat in a room and were told someone was on the roof below them with a gun, and either didn't look, or weren't allowed to look or act?

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where has it been stated they were told there was a threat on the roof? In that roof back in the room you aren't seeing people under the trees pointing, you dang sure aren't hearing them and there has been zero proof of what was said over radio Comm's, on what channel, or to who.

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Local police said there was an all group channel days ago. People reported the guy climbing on the roof to police long before he shot...

And It was certainly raidioed that they were looking into someone on the roof before two officers climbed onto the roof.

You're just flat out making excuses for this **** show now... or you haven't kept up with story enough to engage in the conversation.

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Would encourage you to read Sen. Johnson's report. Seems to be the more comprehensive so far and he talks about how silo'd the comms were and that being one of the main issues.

2) Local law enforcement said communications were siloed and they were not in frequent radio contact directly with Secret Service; pic.twitter.com/yIAPhtAcQd

— Senator Ron Johnson (@SenRonJohnson) July 21, 2024

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/4E6577F1-8AD2-4CB9-9FC7-5896C27A9647

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States that the information was being passed through channels to USSS, still not buying that they didn't have time to react.

This isn't seconds, it's many minutes that he was known to be on the roof. That big of a threat gets passed up the chain and relayed quickly

If there was someone in the room they were probably hungover and passed out asleep... let's cut the bull**** of "They were not counter snipers so they didn't look out the window at close targets"

Trump turns toward the screen, right as the shot whizzes by his right ear. Trump's nose is basically pointed at the shooter. If the shooter was in the second story windows off to the left in this photo, then when Trump turns, he probably gets hit in the left side of the face and dies, or at the least gets winged in the nose.

[Staff note to the board: Take the conspiracy theories to the conspiracy thread https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3476134. We're going to start issuing timeouts to posters that insist on spamming this one with conspiracies -- Staff]

There are counter drone technologies in use that disable drones without having to be a sniper. Drones have signatures like firearm acoustics and can be pinpointed from a long way off.

Not Coach Jimbo said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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That video is up against the window and looking that direction. The team in that building was said to be a sniper team not counter sniper.

Snipers don't set up in windows, they set up back in a room and shoot out. Their goal was to take out threats in the crowd.

Also that is the crew who was said to have left their post for 6 min correct?

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What are you saying exactly?

They sat in a room and were told someone was on the roof below them with a gun, and either didn't look, or weren't allowed to look or act?

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where has it been stated they were told there was a threat on the roof? In that roof back in the room you aren't seeing people under the trees pointing, you dang sure aren't hearing them and there has been zero proof of what was said over radio Comm's, on what channel, or to who.

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Local police said there was an all group channel days ago. People reported the guy climbing on the roof to police long before he shot...

And It was certainly raidioed that they were looking into someone on the roof before two officers climbed onto the roof.

You're just flat out making excuses for this **** show now... or you haven't kept up with story enough to engage in the conversation.

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Would encourage you to read Sen. Johnson's report. Seems to be the more comprehensive so far and he talks about how silo'd the comms were and that being one of the main issues.

2) Local law enforcement said communications were siloed and they were not in frequent radio contact directly with Secret Service; pic.twitter.com/yIAPhtAcQd

— Senator Ron Johnson (@SenRonJohnson) July 21, 2024

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/4E6577F1-8AD2-4CB9-9FC7-5896C27A9647

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States that the information was being passed through channels to USSS, still not buying that they didn't have time to react.

This isn't seconds, it's many minutes that he was known to be on the roof. That big of a threat gets passed up the chain and relayed quickly

If threw was someone in the room they were probably hungover and passed out asleep... let's cut the bull**** of "They were not counter snipers so they didn't look out the window at close targets"

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Not sure there's evidence of this, at least from the reports so far. Sen. Johnson's projected timeline is in the report:

5:32pmAGR sniper 1 spots Crooks looking at his phone and using a rangefinder.
Page 8 of 13
5:38pmAGR sniper 1 sends a message to the "Sniper Group" about Crooks.
5:40pmAGR sniper 1 is told to "call into command" regarding Crooks.
5:41pmAGR sniper 1 calls into command and provides a description of Crooks and
the rangefinder, as well as that Crooks was "lurking around [the] AGR building."
5:49pmPhotos of Crooks are sent to Butler ESU Command.
5:55pmButler ESU Command confirms receipt of the photos and states they have been
relayed on.
5:59pmButler ESU Command asks for the direction that Crooks is traveling. AGR
sniper 1 is initially unsure of the direction Crooks is traveling.
6:05pmAGR sniper 1 later communicates that Crooks is seen moving northeast "in the
direction of Sheetz" and that Crooks has a backpack.
6:06-6:12pmAGR sniper 1 goes to ground floor of the building to meet local law
enforcement patrol to alert them to Crooks presence.
Approx. 6:11pmCrooks begins shooting.
Secret Service reportedly return fire and Crooks is killed

Whether "shady looking dude wandering around with a backpack and range finder" should have been enough to put a hold on everything is a different issue (should have been enough in my opinion), but doesn't seem like they knew his location on the roof until a minute or two before the shooting.

The only "truths" we know for sure:

1. Goofy 20yo kid draws a ton of attention to himself most of the afternoon and then climbs up on a roof…

2. Four casualties from gunfire on/close to the stage…

3. Goofy 20yo kid dies from GSW on top of a tin roof…

That's quite literally all we really know for sure at this point…

Literally everything else is rumor or theory…

Multiple people have…not just me… but thanks…

I guess we can just call this "page 1" because there really are no other verifiable "facts" than the three truths I listed, and it has been that way since the day of the incident…

Literally nothing else verifiable has come out…nothing…

To me one of the biggest absurdities after the fact is this ridiculous 60 day AAR the USSS claims to be waiting on. An AAR preliminary report is 72 hrs max and final AAR a week. This should be given the highest priority due to the actual action in question is top level protection and this action is still active and ongoing 24/7. Eight weeks is absurd.


Anything taking this long is a cover your ass not an investigation. When Cheatle is as for roster numbers and deployment numbers excluding names, call them agent one two three for five whatever, but the deployment numbers or roster numbers take seconds to pull. She claiming they are pulling files and building a comprehensive report is complete garbage. That's stall attics and deflection.


Pushing everything off one the FBI is nonsense. The not talking about an ongoing investigation is used when you don't want to spoil a prosecutable case. This isn't a prosecution case the perp is dead. This is an investigation into the system failure and breakdown in communication. It's pretty simple, human error is problem number one, and that can be broken down into complacency and or incompetence. Or just good ole fashioned failure to do the job assigned to you. It doesn't take 60 days to figure that out.


The corrective action is fire those guilty of failure to follow protocol and procedures, reassign and retrain those that were incompetent or under qualified, and all those in charge who were responsible for the forward planning, roster assignments, and final approval are fired period. This isn't a failure in traffic duty or prisoner handling, this is presidential level protection. You're Fired.

This is cover or save your ass not find out how they failed.


Back in the day when USSS was under the department of treasury they handled all sorts of stuff from counterfeit money to investigations and protection. Now days they have one job. Protection.

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FireAg said:

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The only "truths" we know for sure:

1. Goofy 20yo kid draws a ton of attention to himself most of the afternoon and then climbs up on a roof…

2. Four casualties from gunfire on/close to the stage…

3. Goofy 20yo kid dies from GSW on top of a tin roof…

That's quite literally all we really know for sure at this point…

Literally everything else is rumor or theory…

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But yet you feel the need to continually "fill the void" with BS and conjecture and make believe which you yourself say can't be proven because "they" don't want us to know but that what you claim is the real facts

Most on here aren't saying that's all of the facts. Just that there isn't proof of anything else and we want this thread to be a way for us to all collect announced information

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Yep. Not to mention there's an entire 10 page report with a detailed timeline that's now been posted multiple times based on interviews with people on site and the conspiracy loons just ignore it because it doesn't fit their "real life is a Jason Bourne movie" world view. It's bizarre, but I guess those people are just bored with their every day lives.

https://instagr.am/p/C9sTlV8Rol-


More complete edit from Evan Vucci. He's a Pulitzer Winner and one of the best photojournalists is the world

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Groupthink is a phenomenon that occurs when a group of well-intentioned people makes irrational or non-optimal decisions spurred by the urge to conform or the belief that dissent is impossible.

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If this was in fact an egregious level of incompetence that we've never seen before then it fits within the mold of groupthink.

Here we had a bunch of well trained professionals with the best possible resources money could buy fail to act on a known risk that this 20 y/o kid would climb the roof of a building and shoot Trump in the head.

They thought they were so smart, so well trained, and so badass with their tacticool **** that they got pwned by some punk ass kid.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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Not Coach Jimbo said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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That video is up against the window and looking that direction. The team in that building was said to be a sniper team not counter sniper.

Snipers don't set up in windows, they set up back in a room and shoot out. Their goal was to take out threats in the crowd.

Also that is the crew who was said to have left their post for 6 min correct?

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What are you saying exactly?

They sat in a room and were told someone was on the roof below them with a gun, and either didn't look, or weren't allowed to look or act?

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where has it been stated they were told there was a threat on the roof? In that roof back in the room you aren't seeing people under the trees pointing, you dang sure aren't hearing them and there has been zero proof of what was said over radio Comm's, on what channel, or to who.

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Local police said there was an all group channel days ago. People reported the guy climbing on the roof to police long before he shot...

And It was certainly raidioed that they were looking into someone on the roof before two officers climbed onto the roof.

You're just flat out making excuses for this **** show now... or you haven't kept up with story enough to engage in the conversation.

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Would encourage you to read Sen. Johnson's report. Seems to be the more comprehensive so far and he talks about how silo'd the comms were and that being one of the main issues.

2) Local law enforcement said communications were siloed and they were not in frequent radio contact directly with Secret Service; pic.twitter.com/yIAPhtAcQd

— Senator Ron Johnson (@SenRonJohnson) July 21, 2024

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/4E6577F1-8AD2-4CB9-9FC7-5896C27A9647

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States that the information was being passed through channels to USSS, still not buying that they didn't have time to react.

This isn't seconds, it's many minutes that he was known to be on the roof. That big of a threat gets passed up the chain and relayed quickly

If threw was someone in the room they were probably hungover and passed out asleep... let's cut the bull**** of "They were not counter snipers so they didn't look out the window at close targets"

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Not sure there's evidence of this, at least from the reports so far. Sen. Johnson's projected timeline is in the report:

5:32pmAGR sniper 1 spots Crooks looking at his phone and using a rangefinder.
Page 8 of 13
5:38pmAGR sniper 1 sends a message to the "Sniper Group" about Crooks.
5:40pmAGR sniper 1 is told to "call into command" regarding Crooks.
5:41pmAGR sniper 1 calls into command and provides a description of Crooks and
the rangefinder, as well as that Crooks was "lurking around [the] AGR building."
5:49pmPhotos of Crooks are sent to Butler ESU Command.
5:55pmButler ESU Command confirms receipt of the photos and states they have been
relayed on.
5:59pmButler ESU Command asks for the direction that Crooks is traveling. AGR
sniper 1 is initially unsure of the direction Crooks is traveling.
6:05pmAGR sniper 1 later communicates that Crooks is seen moving northeast "in the
direction of Sheetz" and that Crooks has a backpack.
6:06-6:12pmAGR sniper 1 goes to ground floor of the building to meet local law
enforcement patrol to alert them to Crooks presence.
Approx. 6:11pmCrooks begins shooting.
Secret Service reportedly return fire and Crooks is killed

Whether "shady looking dude wandering around with a backpack and range finder" should have been enough to put a hold on everything is a different issue (should have been enough in my opinion), but doesn't seem like they knew his location on the roof until a minute or two before the shooting.

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Not sure the model of rangefinder but it could also be an optic to be used like binoculars. Not necessarily a red flag.

Two groups of people recognize range finders quickly.

Golfers
Shooters

I would assume many of the people working that day golf if they didn't already recognize it from their day job. I have not seen a modern range finder that isn't 3x power by default so there would be the argument that a person brought it to look at Trump but alarm bells should have been going off.

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Trump turns toward the screen, right as the shot whizzes by his right ear. Trump's nose is basically pointed at the shooter. If the shooter was in the second story windows off to the left in this photo, then when Trump turns, he probably gets hit in the left side of the face and dies, or at the least gets winged in the nose.

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It's as if the SS snipers are in perfect position to fire on the 20 yr. old patsy.....err....shooter.

They thought they were so smart, so well trained, and so badass with their tacticool **** that they got pwned by some punk ass kid.

That is a pretty awesome sentence.

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Trump turns toward the screen, right as the shot whizzes by his right ear. Trump's nose is basically pointed at the shooter. If the shooter was in the second story windows off to the left in this photo, then when Trump turns, he probably gets hit in the left side of the face and dies, or at the least gets winged in the nose.

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It's as if the SS snipers are in perfect position to fire on the 20 yr. old patsy.....err....shooter.

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except the snipers in the yellow square didn't take the shot because they were obstructed. It has been reported officially that they did not take the shot and video evidence also doesn't show them taking a shot

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Two groups of people recognize range finders quickly.

Golfers
Shooters

I would assume many of the people working that day golf if they didn't already recognize it from their day job. I have not seen a modern range finder that isn't 3x power by default so there would be the argument that a person brought it to look at Trump but alarm bells should have been going off.

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For sure it's suspicious, but he was outside the event and unarmed at the time with anything that could reach Trump. Backpack could have held a bomb or a pistol but not a showstopper.

You're just deflecting.. the guy was identified as suspicious, period.. he was identified as a threat, period.. the rally was not delayed, period..

it was total failure anyway you look at it.. there were plenty of signs and plenty of time to prevent this

I disagree. Even if just outside the fence,but he's been id' as someone suspicious, has suspicious items, and is behaving in a suspicious manner, there's no harm in pausing the event until the suspicion can be cleared.

That's what i would expect to happen

The failure was having that rooftop unsecured within easy firing range of Trump. There are probably people on SS's radar at lots of events like this. Until he was in position with a weapon, he was just "suspicious". They're not going to shut down events for a suspicious person outside the security cordon or these events would never happen.

Huge lapse not having that building secured and/or directly observed at all times.