Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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After that moment, any further delay in getting Trump off stage is inexplicable.

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Is it? Or is the most reasonable explanation simply way too uncomfortable to say out loud?

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Not on this thread.

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Some of yall need to accept that we are never going to get the real answers on this stuff…

We will get some "official" report and be forced to swallow it…

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I accepted that when I learned that 1) FBI was doing the investigation and 2) couldn't seem to get access to his phone for days.

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The cop sticks his head over the roof (behind the shooter?) the shooter turns around points rifle at cop and immediately turns back around sets up, reacquires target and fires a literal perfect shot which is only thwarted by a last minute head tilt.

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I have been hung up on that one as well. It just makes more sense to me given what we know of the timing at this point, the cop taking a peek over the roof line was somewhere in front of the shooter and he simply moved the barrel towards him, he disappears and shooter moves the barrel back to reacquire his target.

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I still don't buy the cop-sighting story on the roof…

For one thing, no one is sure of the timing and sequence of events from that sighting to Trump getting shot…

For another, as soon as that happened, radio calls on the tac channel should've been going out alerting folks on the stage to get Trump down…. Even if they were late getting there, they should have already been in motion before the first shot rang out…

They weren't…

Why?

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I-am-Cullen says the first shot, came from the trees and was likely to take out the sniper, but missed, and hit the three people along the back of the grandstand. I can see his video and understand what he is saying, but my question/problem is why do that? The first shot needs to be the head shot on the primary target. One volley is what you can expect because all heck is going to break loose as soon as the initial volley is shot and agents dog pile Trump. I see no logical reason for the first shot to be as he describes it. First shot has to be at the primary target.

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Wait. One bullet hit 3 people. Get outta here with this hogwash.

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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-Flying a drone in restricted airspace hours prior to the event

-Milling around the metal detectors

-Sighted using a range finder

-Pacing the perimeter looking up at roofs

-Carrying a backpack and extension ladder

-Scaling the side of a building in plain view

-Bear crawling on roof in plain view while people yell and point

-Pointing a rifle at a cop

The shooter did everything he could conceivably do to get caught; but somehow didn't get caught.

Somehow does all that and gets off a perfectly placed shot that hits Trump.

Which raises the question;

Did the shooter want to get caught?

He can't do all of the above on one hand and also be a mastermind that managed to evade the world's' foremost personal protective service founded in 1865,

Gotta pick one.

1 week later and still zero press conferences.

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1 week later and still zero press conferences.

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aggiehawg said:

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The cop sticks his head over the roof (behind the shooter?) the shooter turns around points rifle at cop and immediately turns back around sets up, reacquires target and fires a literal perfect shot which is only thwarted by a last minute head tilt.

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I have been hung up on that one as well. It just makes more sense to me given what we know of the timing at this point, the cop taking a peek over the roof line was somewhere in front of the shooter and he simply moved the barrel towards him, he disappears and shooter moves the barrel back to reacquire his target.

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And this is one of several things that additional video might clear up. There are four sides to the building. I think two are covered by the videos showing spectators yelling and pointing at the shooter. In none of those are there any police climbing on the building or being hoisted up. That leaves the parking lot and the side facing the rally.

I agree with you…

My stance is he did that so everyone would see him doing it and make him the obvious suspect…while the real assassin moved into place and made his shot that missed when Trump moved his head…

Whomever was in charge of this op wanted Captain Obvious to be seen and filmed and be the easy assumption as to whom the perp was…

It's sleight of hand…everyone look at the obvious show while the real work gets done elsewhere…

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I agree with you…

My stance is he did that so everyone would see him doing it and make him the obvious suspect…while the real assassin moved into place and made his shot that missed when Trump moved his head…

Whomever was in charge of this op wanted Captain Obvious to be seen and filmed and be the easy assumption as to whom the perp was…

It's sleight of hand…everyone look at the obvious show while the real work gets done elsewhere…

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So a team of conspirators sent in this clown as one of the participants? How many agencies and how many people would this involve? They would all have to sign off on high treason and put it in the hands of this idiot.

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And this is one of several things that additional video might clear up. There are four sides to the building. I think two are covered by the videos showing spectators yelling and pointing at the shooter. In none of those are there any police climbing on the building or being hoisted up. That leaves the parking lot and the side facing the rally.

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The parking lot side would be on the downslope towards the rally. Cop would still be somewhat in front of him for the shooter to see him and move the barrel in that direction.

Without some training and repetition, twisting his body to address something behind him, swing the barrel around in the process and then swing and twist back around again, reacquire his target is just not that believable. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

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Just an Ag said:

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I-am-Cullen says the first shot, came from the trees and was likely to take out the sniper, but missed, and hit the three people along the back of the grandstand. I can see his video and understand what he is saying, but my question/problem is why do that? The first shot needs to be the head shot on the primary target. One volley is what you can expect because all heck is going to break loose as soon as the initial volley is shot and agents dog pile Trump. I see no logical reason for the first shot to be as he describes it. First shot has to be at the primary target.

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Wait. One bullet hit 3 people. Get outta here with this hogwash.

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lol to be clear, not my hogwash! Just pointing out the lack of his logic in the first shot which taints his whole presentation.

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1 week later and still zero press conferences.

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This shocks the conscience doesn't it.

When in history has there ever been an incident this big and you don't see at least one person at a podium giving a press conference.

It's been radio silence.

The American public been forced to sift through little nuggets of information dropped on the press spread out over seven days.

Every couple hours we get another little nug dropped on us.

"WSJ reports he flying a drone"

"NBC says he visited site days before"

"NYT says his last search on phone was for porn"

It's clear they dropping nuggets of information to reporters spread out over time and shaping the narrative in some calculated manner.

The only people in any official capacity we've seen is the Sheriff and City Manager of Butler Township.

Federal government has been complete radio silence for 7-days, but for a softball puff piece with Grimace on NBC the day after.

Now they got the Director of USSS scheduled to testify on Monday morning at 10am EST.

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Now they got the Director of USSS scheduled to testify on Monday morning at 10am EST.

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Remain skeptical that actually happens. She'll test positive for covid or some such excuse.

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Agreed on all that. I'm hung up on the last possible moment. The very last clear chance to avoid imminent disaster which was the time between pointing a rifle at a cop and shots fired. All the timelines we've seen so far seem to omit that key fact.

But it's clear that we looking at failures stacked on top of failures here as you describe.

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That is defined as "immediately after" by the police that fell off the roof.

A second? A min?

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Now they got the Director of USSS scheduled to testify on Monday morning at 10am EST.

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Remain skeptical that actually happens. She'll test positive for covid or some such excuse.

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Can't comment on an ongoing investigation.

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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I agree with you…

My stance is he did that so everyone would see him doing it and make him the obvious suspect…while the real assassin moved into place and made his shot that missed when Trump moved his head…

Whomever was in charge of this op wanted Captain Obvious to be seen and filmed and be the easy assumption as to whom the perp was…

It's sleight of hand…everyone look at the obvious show while the real work gets done elsewhere…

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So a team of conspirators sent in this clown as one of the participants? How many agencies and how many people would this involve? They would all have to sign off on high treason and put it in the hands of this idiot.

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1 agency. 4 people.

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And this is one of several things that additional video might clear up. There are four sides to the building. I think two are covered by the videos showing spectators yelling and pointing at the shooter. In none of those are there any police climbing on the building or being hoisted up. That leaves the parking lot and the side facing the rally.

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The parking lot side would be on the downslope towards the rally. Cop would still be somewhat in front of him for the shooter to see him and move the barrel in that direction.

Without some training and repetition, twisting his body to address something behind him, swing the barrel around in the process and then swing and twist back around again, reacquire his target is just not that believable. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

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Also the elevated heart rate and breathing from the stress of just having pointed a rifle at a cop, and also under the stress of knowing a round could be coming at him at any time from a counter snipers that were known to him.

Then a 20-year old kid resets and puts a round directly on target.

By all accounts that first round that hit Trump's ear was perfectly placed from 140 yards immediately after having pointed a rifle at a cop, required target, and with the knowledge that a counter-sniper round was coming at your head at any possible moment, while laying on a hot tin roof with exposed knees and elbows.

In any event, the second the shooter got on the roof, he had to have known he could be taken at at any time. Each millisecond could be his last.

But still manages to set up an get 5 shots off, the first being perfectly on target.

Getting caught up on this thread ...

Is it no longer "Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

I thought there was also a conspiracy thread. Did that one get killed?

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And this is one of several things that additional video might clear up. There are four sides to the building. I think two are covered by the videos showing spectators yelling and pointing at the shooter. In none of those are there any police climbing on the building or being hoisted up. That leaves the parking lot and the side facing the rally.

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The parking lot side would be on the downslope towards the rally. Cop would still be somewhat in front of him for the shooter to see him and move the barrel in that direction.

Without some training and repetition, twisting his body to address something behind him, swing the barrel around in the process and then swing and twist back around again, reacquire his target is just not that believable. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

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This is what I said when that narrative by the cop came out. Was assured by the posters that even going thru those contortions, this was still an easy shot.

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I still don't buy the cop-sighting story on the roof…

For one thing, no one is sure of the timing and sequence of events from that sighting to Trump getting shot…

For another, as soon as that happened, radio calls on the tac channel should've been going out alerting folks on the stage to get Trump down…. Even if they were late getting there, they should have already been in motion before the first shot rang out…

They weren't…

Why?

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The guy that made the video that was shared on X by TMZ was interviewed on Fox. He said the cop getting help to see on the roof happened right before he started his video.

Great question. Who knows if we will ever get the answer, other than, "oopsie, we shouldn't have done it that way."

Has anybody seen a side elevation of the first shot?

I'm still confused because the shooter would have been 15-20' up shooting across the stage. The stage is probably 3-4' up and Trump is 6'3" so his ear would have been say, 10' up from ground level.

The guy that got shot in the upper right stands was on the top row, say 15 rows up or another 10-15' from stage level or 5' higher than Trumps ear.

But, the bullet has been shown to go through Trump's ear, through this guy's shoulder and hit the handrail and either vaporize or hit the hydraulic line on the equipment.

I haven't seen an analysis of that elevation but wouldn't the roof shot been flatter into the stands rather than up another 5' after hitting Trump?

Or am I confusing the first shot with a later one?

One small CIA black op team…I'd be surprised if it was more than 4 people max…

Small team of senior FBI folks to help steer the investigation to the preferred outcome… Again think less than 5…

A group of power players willing to pay for the op (folks that need Trump gone at any cost)…business leaders, politicians, etc.

One MK Ultra resource to be deployed to be the sleight of hand and target practice for counter snipers…

One thing I feel strongly about…the number of people required to conspire to assassinate a leader who is viewed as being catastrophic for their future plans… everyone committed to the op must also be 100% certain that their co-conspirators aren't going to waiver…anyone that does will have to be eliminated before they can talk too… but by keeping the team relatively small, you greatly reduce those risks and, at the same time, make it very easy to identify leaks…

Remember, anyone guilty or even on the fringe of the plan faces death if they are discovered…that and $ is enough to keep the small group quiet…

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Now they got the Director of USSS scheduled to testify on Monday morning at 10am EST.

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Remain skeptical that actually happens. She'll test positive for covid or some such excuse.

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ABC news one-on-one interview with her on the 16h doesn't look like someone with the mettle to testify before congress.

Let's put it this way. She's no Anthony Fauci.

People at the hearing gonna rip this lady to shreds.

BadMoonRisin said:

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1 week later and still zero press conferences.

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Local officials gave one pr two statements early on.
When I go back to them in this thread, the links don't load. Were those pulled by the feds or just an issue with my phone?

It's ridiculous that the federal officials have not had any press conferences.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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1 week later and still zero press conferences.

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Local officials gave one pr two statements early on.
When I go back to them in this thread, the links don't load. Were those pulled by the feds or just an issue with my phone?

It's ridiculous that the federal officials have not had any press conferences.

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Recall during Las Vegas they had multiple press conferences.

The FBI had press conferences and the Clark County Sheriff had multiple press conferences (with FBI looking over shoulder).

Here there have been zero press conference by any federal agency.

Only a sit down one-one-one by Cheatle with a guy from ABC news on the 16th which had her saying 'the buck stops with her' but providing no factual details.

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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Of course there is no proof…if there were proof, black ops would be hard to pull off…but rest assured, they get pulled off all the time, around the world, and you never know about it…

They could be reported as accidents because that's how the evidence was set up to show before the op took place…

But folks…you can dismiss it all you want…but this stuff happens more than you would be able to stomach, and you never know or suspect it…

My guess in this case is that they were confident in the kill and when it missed, it threw a monkey wrench into the plan and they are having to tie up loose ends and create plausible deniability for everything (number of shots, types of weapons, sound recordings, video recordings that saw too much, etc)…

So if you want proof? Good luck…the only proof you will see is what they want you to see once all of their ducks are in a row…

Similar to Vegas, but I don't think Vegas was an op…. I still believe Vegas was an MK Ultra asset who went nuts and the agency lost control of him and his mind was so screwed up, he went rogue…

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I agree with you…

My stance is he did that so everyone would see him doing it and make him the obvious suspect…while the real assassin moved into place and made his shot that missed when Trump moved his head…

Whomever was in charge of this op wanted Captain Obvious to be seen and filmed and be the easy assumption as to whom the perp was…

It's sleight of hand…everyone look at the obvious show while the real work gets done elsewhere…

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So a team of conspirators sent in this clown as one of the participants? How many agencies and how many people would this involve? They would all have to sign off on high treason and put it in the hands of this idiot.

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1 agency. 4 people.

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To execute the op, I agree…

Still think you had to have key FBI execs to help control the investigation narrative…

They probably didn't use their company phones to communicate about it though this time, unlike the Peter Stzok's of the world…

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FireAg said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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Of course there is no proof…if there were proof, black ops would be hard to pull off…but rest assured, they get pulled off all the time, around the world, and you never know about it…

They could be reported as accidents because that's how the evidence was set up to show before the op took place…

But folks…you can dismiss it all you want…but this stuff happens more than you would be able to stomach, and you never know or suspect it…

My guess in this case is that they were confident in the kill and when it missed, it threw a monkey wrench into the plan and they are having to tie up loose ends and create plausible deniability for everything (number of shots, types of weapons, sound recordings, video recordings that saw too much, etc)…

So if you want proof? Good luck…the only proof you will see is what they want you to see once all of their ducks are in a row…

Similar to Vegas, but I don't think Vegas was an op…. I still believe Vegas was an MK Ultra asset who went nuts and the agency lost control of him and his mind was so screwed up, he went rogue…

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the FBI was "confident" he acted alone and had no accomplices....within one day and before having access to to his phone.... They got that story out - for some reason people believe it - and anything else is now a 'conspiracy theory.' And for those with reading comprehension, nothing just written says a conspiracy happened.

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Has anybody seen a side elevation of the first shot?

I'm still confused because the shooter would have been 15-20' up shooting across the stage. The stage is probably 3-4' up and Trump is 6'3" so his ear would have been say, 10' up from ground level.

The guy that got shot in the upper right stands was on the top row, say 15 rows up or another 10-15' from stage level or 5' higher than Trumps ear.

But, the bullet has been shown to go through Trump's ear, through this guy's shoulder and hit the handrail and either vaporize or hit the hydraulic line on the equipment.

I haven't seen an analysis of that elevation but wouldn't the roof shot been flatter into the stands rather than up another 5' after hitting Trump?

Or am I confusing the first shot with a later one?

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They are still working on the angles to make sure the "evidence" fits the narrative…. And if it doesn't, they'll make adjustments to the narrative…

So if I'm following your theory right, they lure/trick this 20 year old goober to bring all the attention on him while the real shooter takes Trump out? But doesn't that mean they know that the ops plan was obviously **** and that Trump was still going to be on stage so they had their shot? So far, it's pretty apparent that Trump should have never been on stage.

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FireAg said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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Of course there is no proof…if there were proof, black ops would be hard to pull off…but rest assured, they get pulled off all the time, around the world, and you never know about it…

They could be reported as accidents because that's how the evidence was set up to show before the op took place…

But folks…you can dismiss it all you want…but this stuff happens more than you would be able to stomach, and you never know or suspect it…

My guess in this case is that they were confident in the kill and when it missed, it threw a monkey wrench into the plan and they are having to tie up loose ends and create plausible deniability for everything (number of shots, types of weapons, sound recordings, video recordings that saw too much, etc)…

So if you want proof? Good luck…the only proof you will see is what they want you to see once all of their ducks are in a row…

Similar to Vegas, but I don't think Vegas was an op…. I still believe Vegas was an MK Ultra asset who went nuts and the agency lost control of him and his mind was so screwed up, he went rogue…

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I am not dismissing anything. I came back to this thread to get try to caught up on facts -- hence the title of the thread -- and most posts are again about unproven theories.