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So if I'm following your theory right, they lure/trick this 20 year old goober to bring all the attention on him while the real shooter takes Trump out? But doesn't that mean they know that the ops plan was obviously **** and that Trump was still going to be on stage so they had their shot? So far, it's pretty apparent that Trump should have never been on stage.

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Some influential folks at executive levels in DHS/SS made sure the incompetence on the ground was rampant…but that could literally take 1-2 people tops…

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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So if I'm following your theory right, they lure/trick this 20 year old goober to bring all the attention on him while the real shooter takes Trump out? But doesn't that mean they know that the ops plan was obviously **** and that Trump was still going to be on stage so they had their shot? So far, it's pretty apparent that Trump should have never been on stage.

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Some influential folks at executive levels in DHS/SS made sure the incompetence on the ground was rampant…but that could literally take 1-2 people tops…

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Well we know that part of the plan went off flawlessly.

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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Of course there is no proof…if there were proof, black ops would be hard to pull off…but rest assured, they get pulled off all the time, around the world, and you never know about it…

They could be reported as accidents because that's how the evidence was set up to show before the op took place…

But folks…you can dismiss it all you want…but this stuff happens more than you would be able to stomach, and you never know or suspect it…

My guess in this case is that they were confident in the kill and when it missed, it threw a monkey wrench into the plan and they are having to tie up loose ends and create plausible deniability for everything (number of shots, types of weapons, sound recordings, video recordings that saw too much, etc)…

So if you want proof? Good luck…the only proof you will see is what they want you to see once all of their ducks are in a row…

Similar to Vegas, but I don't think Vegas was an op…. I still believe Vegas was an MK Ultra asset who went nuts and the agency lost control of him and his mind was so screwed up, he went rogue…

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I am not dismissing anything. I came back to this thread to get try to caught up on facts -- hence the title of the thread -- and most posts are again about unproven theories.

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Okay bud but again…what "facts" do you want? The "facts" they have power-washed and cleaned up like they did on the roof where they took out Captain Obvious? Or do you want the "truth"?

You're going to get "facts", and though they will take some poetic liberties with those facts to help fit the narrative, they will say those are the "facts"…

But the "facts" won't be the "truth"…

You have to come to terms with the notion that "facts" and "truth" are not synonymous…

You're already at dozens of people needing to be involved, which is where these theories always fall apart. There's a zero percent chance government idiots could coordinate something like this for months leading up
to it without someone leaving their "do a conspiracy" meeting agenda on the printer for the cleaning lady to find. Or that someone wouldn't want to be famous and go the media.

Again, real life is not Hollywood and analyzing the hard logistics of anything like this make the theories fall apart pretty easily.

One messed up kid + massive failure by a DEI enabled idiot in charge of security + generally complacent and incompetent small town police force are infinitely more believable. But that wouldn't feed people's weird need for everything to be a giant conspiracy.

A week later and I'm still not leaning one way or another. Given how many times our government has taken out certain figures over the last century and all the other things they've done, I simply can't laugh at a single reasonable "conspiracy" theory. What FireAg lays out is CIA playbook 101 stuff. It's as basic as it gets for them.

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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So if I'm following your theory right, they lure/trick this 20 year old goober to bring all the attention on him while the real shooter takes Trump out? But doesn't that mean they know that the ops plan was obviously **** and that Trump was still going to be on stage so they had their shot? So far, it's pretty apparent that Trump should have never been on stage.

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Working theory, the alphabets knew Crooks was on the scene and wanted a shot. Operatives were stationed inside the building from which Crooks shot, which has now been admitted by Cheatle (not the operatives part). Black ops shot first, the Crooks, then counter sniper took out crooks. This is consistent with the audio signatures and the trajectory of the first round which was shot from ground height to hit Trumps ear and then continue its upward trajectory another 5' to go threw the audience member in the back top of the stands.

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Agreed on all that. I'm hung up on the last possible moment. The very last clear chance to avoid imminent disaster which was the time between pointing a rifle at a cop and shots fired. All the timelines we've seen so far seem to omit that key fact.

But it's clear that we looking at failures stacked on top of failures here as you describe.

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That is defined as "immediately after" by the police that fell off the roof.

A second? A min?

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Somehow that key fact eludes us.

1. How many seconds elapsed between somebody pointing a rifle at the cop and Trump getting shot in the ear?

2. Did either one of the two cops involved in peeking over the roof get on the radio and call in an IMMINENT threat over the radio?

3. If they did immediately call it in, exactly how many seconds elapsed between USSS being on notice of an IMMINENT threat and Trump being shot in ear?

Remember all of the "Oswald sightings" documented in the Warren Report?

Setting up your Captain Obvious…

I believe some of the volley of shots did come from the goob on the roof…no proof he discharged his weapon, but I do believe he actually did…

But his shots were wild and into the crowd, and he took his shots after the head shot from elsewhere…. But the audio of every shot is recorded, and they need everything to match up before they give us the "facts"…

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I came back to this thread to get try to caught up on facts -- hence the title of the thread -- and most posts are again about unproven theories.

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And this is one of several things that additional video might clear up. There are four sides to the building. I think two are covered by the videos showing spectators yelling and pointing at the shooter. In none of those are there any police climbing on the building or being hoisted up. That leaves the parking lot and the side facing the rally.

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The parking lot side would be on the downslope towards the rally. Cop would still be somewhat in front of him for the shooter to see him and move the barrel in that direction.

Without some training and repetition, twisting his body to address something behind him, swing the barrel around in the process and then swing and twist back around again, reacquire his target is just not that believable. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

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This is what I said when that narrative by the cop came out. Was assured by the posters that even going thru those contortions, this was still an easy shot.

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It's not a "narrative", the chief of the local police said this publicly since it was his guys who tried to climb the roof. Is he supposed to be in on it too?

aginlakeway said:

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FireAg said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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Of course there is no proof…if there were proof, black ops would be hard to pull off…but rest assured, they get pulled off all the time, around the world, and you never know about it…

They could be reported as accidents because that's how the evidence was set up to show before the op took place…

But folks…you can dismiss it all you want…but this stuff happens more than you would be able to stomach, and you never know or suspect it…

My guess in this case is that they were confident in the kill and when it missed, it threw a monkey wrench into the plan and they are having to tie up loose ends and create plausible deniability for everything (number of shots, types of weapons, sound recordings, video recordings that saw too much, etc)…

So if you want proof? Good luck…the only proof you will see is what they want you to see once all of their ducks are in a row…

Similar to Vegas, but I don't think Vegas was an op…. I still believe Vegas was an MK Ultra asset who went nuts and the agency lost control of him and his mind was so screwed up, he went rogue…

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I am not dismissing anything. I came back to this thread to get try to caught up on facts -- hence the title of the thread -- and most posts are again about unproven theories.

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When those in charge refuse to give official updates, all you have is speculation.

aginlakeway said:

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Getting caught up on this thread ...

Is it no longer "Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

I thought there was also a conspiracy thread. Did that one get killed?

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Yep. Basically all of the last few pages belong on the conspiracy thread but I imagine it's probably not worth the effort to clean up at this point.

They are stalling the official updates until they can show the "facts" match the "narrative"…

One mistake they learned from in '63 was saying too much too soon, and having to go back and clean up "facts" because they didn't fit the narrative (angles, number of shots, etc)…

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FireAg said:

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aginlakeway said:

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FireAg said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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Of course there is no proof…if there were proof, black ops would be hard to pull off…but rest assured, they get pulled off all the time, around the world, and you never know about it…

They could be reported as accidents because that's how the evidence was set up to show before the op took place…

But folks…you can dismiss it all you want…but this stuff happens more than you would be able to stomach, and you never know or suspect it…

My guess in this case is that they were confident in the kill and when it missed, it threw a monkey wrench into the plan and they are having to tie up loose ends and create plausible deniability for everything (number of shots, types of weapons, sound recordings, video recordings that saw too much, etc)…

So if you want proof? Good luck…the only proof you will see is what they want you to see once all of their ducks are in a row…

Similar to Vegas, but I don't think Vegas was an op…. I still believe Vegas was an MK Ultra asset who went nuts and the agency lost control of him and his mind was so screwed up, he went rogue…

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I am not dismissing anything. I came back to this thread to get try to caught up on facts -- hence the title of the thread -- and most posts are again about unproven theories.

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f16 use to discuss events and ideas the abive average stuff now it discusses people and conspiracies

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Somehow that key fact eludes us.

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Key fact number one: hwo many casings were recovered from that roof? How many shots did the shooter fire?

Everything else would flow from that determination. Or we are in the "Magic Bullet 2.0"?

Where were two cops standing when they peeked over the roof, and what is the exact time that event happened?

That's all I wanna know at this point.

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aginlakeway said:

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FireAg said:

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aginlakeway said:

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FireAg said:

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Barnyard96 said:

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Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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One shooter…

One decoy…

The Captain Obvious strolling the grounds who died on the roof was the decoy…

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Interesting. How do you know this for a fact? I've seen no proof of that. Maybe I missed it.

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Of course there is no proof…if there were proof, black ops would be hard to pull off…but rest assured, they get pulled off all the time, around the world, and you never know about it…

They could be reported as accidents because that's how the evidence was set up to show before the op took place…

But folks…you can dismiss it all you want…but this stuff happens more than you would be able to stomach, and you never know or suspect it…

My guess in this case is that they were confident in the kill and when it missed, it threw a monkey wrench into the plan and they are having to tie up loose ends and create plausible deniability for everything (number of shots, types of weapons, sound recordings, video recordings that saw too much, etc)…

So if you want proof? Good luck…the only proof you will see is what they want you to see once all of their ducks are in a row…

Similar to Vegas, but I don't think Vegas was an op…. I still believe Vegas was an MK Ultra asset who went nuts and the agency lost control of him and his mind was so screwed up, he went rogue…

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I am not dismissing anything. I came back to this thread to get try to caught up on facts -- hence the title of the thread -- and most posts are again about unproven theories.

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Okay bud but again…what "facts" do you want? The "facts" they have power-washed and cleaned up like they did on the roof where they took out Captain Obvious? Or do you want the "truth"?

You're going to get "facts", and though they will take some poetic liberties with those facts to help fit the narrative, they will say those are the "facts"…

But the "facts" won't be the "truth"…

You have to come to terms with the notion that "facts" and "truth" are not synonymous…

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Again, I was just trying to get caught up on the events without reading about unproven theories. The title of the thread and staff warning in the OP led me to believe this thread would be fact-based.

Maybe staff can update that is things have changed.

Have a great rest of your day! Hope we get some answers soon. Too many unanswered questions ...

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aginlakeway said:

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Getting caught up on this thread ...

Is it no longer "Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

I thought there was also a conspiracy thread. Did that one get killed?

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Yep. Basically all of the last few pages belong on the conspiracy thread but I imagine it's probably not worth the effort to clean up at this point.

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Yep. That was my point. Unsure how I am wrong.

You're forgetting topography. The stage and the building are not at the same elevation.

Brother the only facts that are also known truths are these…

Trump was shot in the ear…
A former firefighter was murdered…
Two other bystanders were wounded…
Some goober on a roof was killed…

That's it…

Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

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So if I'm following your theory right, they lure/trick this 20 year old goober to bring all the attention on him while the real shooter takes Trump out? But doesn't that mean they know that the ops plan was obviously **** and that Trump was still going to be on stage so they had their shot? So far, it's pretty apparent that Trump should have never been on stage.

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Nope. Could be as easy as they have been following this guy because they know his social media network prior to them wiping it out. He obviously had issues as his parents called authorities after he was a little late coming home.

They knew he was going to try this, and just cleared the way. Also, May have started helping him once they found out he was going to do this.

Hell, could be as much as them responding to a social media request for some basic info. Easy to help, yet totally untraceable.

Our government is THE expert in assassinations. They've been executing these for a long, long time. And they are THE experts in spying on people.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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You're already at dozens of people needing to be involved, which is where these theories always fall apart. There's a zero percent chance government idiots could coordinate something like this for months leading up
to it without someone leaving their "do a conspiracy" meeting agenda on the printer for the cleaning lady to find. Or that someone wouldn't want to be famous and go the media.

Again, real life is not Hollywood and analyzing the hard logistics of anything like this make the theories fall apart pretty easily.

One messed up kid + massive failure by a DEI enabled idiot in charge of security + generally complacent and incompetent small town police force are infinitely more believable. But that wouldn't feed people's weird need for everything to be a giant conspiracy.

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Funny, you just presented one conspiracy.

And it doesn't take dozens to pull this off.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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aginlakeway said:

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Getting caught up on this thread ...

Is it no longer "Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

I thought there was also a conspiracy thread. Did that one get killed?

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Yep. Basically all of the last few pages belong on the conspiracy thread but I imagine it's probably not worth the effort to clean up at this point.

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Does the asking of basic questions with regard to the facts and circumstances surrounding the event cross into conspiracy territory?

Is it justified to pre-emptively curtail the asking of questions with regard to basic facts and timeline of events on a thread dedicated to the event at issue?

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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You're already at dozens of people needing to be involved, which is where these theories always fall apart. There's a zero percent chance government idiots could coordinate something like this for months leading up
to it without someone leaving their "do a conspiracy" meeting agenda on the printer for the cleaning lady to find. Or that someone wouldn't want to be famous and go the media.

Again, real life is not Hollywood and analyzing the hard logistics of anything like this make the theories fall apart pretty easily.

One messed up kid + massive failure by a DEI enabled idiot in charge of security + generally complacent and incompetent small town police force are infinitely more believable. But that wouldn't feed people's weird need for everything to be a giant conspiracy.

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Funny, you just presented one conspiracy.

And it doesn't take dozens to pull this off.

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Correct, it doesn't…just a few key folks in leadership spots and folks willing to fund it…

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But that wouldn't feed people's weird need for everything to be a giant conspiracy.

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It's almost like we's have to ignore the biggest conspiracy in the history of mankind that occurred four-years ago under similar circumstances

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Brother the only facts that are also known truths are these…

Trump was shot in the ear…
A former firefighter was murdered…
Two other bystanders were wounded…
Some goober on a roof was killed…

That's it…

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The easiest place to shoot Trump was not manned. The head of the SS said so. Said the reason for not manning it was a sloped roof.

Many, MANY people saw the shooter before shooting

The SS knew a suspicious individual was roaming around with a rang we finder

All that, they still allowed Trump to go out there.

On the day of the shooting, there were reports that a third sniper team was supposed to be on the building where Crooks shot from. There were statements made to the effect of "the third sniper team did not show up for some unknown reason."

I that was the first thing I saw / heard Saturday on the news that raised the hair on my neck.

It's interesting that hasn't been discussed or reported since. *poof* that topic just vanished.

Something else I struggle with: we have photos and videos of Crooks walking around earlier in the day. We have photos and videos of Crooks on the roof before the shooting. We have photos and videos of Crooks after he gets iced by counter sniper. Can we get a statement that all 8 casings have been recovered? Very simple stuff….

Why haven't we seen a single video of Crooks firing his gun? Apparently a couple dozen people knew he was up there. Surely there are multiple cell phone videos recording him discharging his firearm.

The biggest criticism of the FBI following JFKs assassination is that they did not share information. The lack of transparency there gave rise to conspiracy theories. The same damn thing is happening here. Give us transparency. until then, I don't blame anyone for dreaming up wild theories.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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You're already at dozens of people needing to be involved, which is where these theories always fall apart. There's a zero percent chance government idiots could coordinate something like this.....

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If you cannot see something, that does not mean it is not there. It just means you cannot see it.

How many were involved in setting up the multitude of "Antifa" riots.
- Participants recruited/paid
- Agitators mobilized and protected
- Bricks put out
- Signs designed, made and distrubuted
- Water bottles put out
- Tents provided
- Other supplies provided
- Police stand down
- Anyone arrested, quickly released

I would guess 30% of the population has TDS. They come from all walks of life and many would stop at nothing to bring him down.

How many have colluded in the lawfare efforts? Some know it is BS but many participate because they have been brainwashed to believe it is absolutely necessary to save democracy.

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On the day of the shooting, there were reports that a third sniper team was supposed to be on the building where Crooks shot from. There were statements made to the effect of "the third sniper team did not show up for some unknown reason."

I that was the first thing I saw / heard Saturday on the news that raised the hair on my neck.

It's interesting that hasn't been discussed or reported since. *poof* that topic just vanished.

Something else I struggle with: we have photos and videos of Crooks walking around earlier in the day. We have photos and videos of Crooks on the roof before the shooting. We have photos and videos of Crooks after he gets iced by counter sniper.

So, why haven't we seen a single video of Crooks firing his gun? Apparently a couple dozen people knew he was up there. Surely there are multiple cell phone videos recording him firing the gun.

The biggest criticism of the FBI following JFKs assassination is that they did not share information. The lack of transparency there gave rise to conspiracy theories. The same damn thing is happening here. Give us transparency until then, I don't blame anyone for dreaming up wild theories.

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For all the folks disturbed by the questions being asked, then perhaps this thread might not be the best place for you.

You can't go to the beach then complain about the sand.

Science Denier said:

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The easiest place to shoot Trump was not manned. The head of the SS said so. Said the reason for not manning it was a sloped roof.

Many, MANY people saw the shooter before shooting

The SS knew a suspicious individual was roaming around with a rang we finder

All that, they still allowed Trump to go out there.

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This is version 2.0, version 1.0 was "wasn't me", the locals were supposed to cover that building.

The local authorities have said they were not security, they had 7 officers there for traffic duty. I would believe them before I believe the feds, but the security plan should have everything in writing.

Not entirely accurate…they actually shared quite a bit early on…

They had the shooter, his rifle, it was 3 shots, he shot a cop too, and they went with that story initially…

When other evidence came out (and Oswald survived his arrest, which he probably wasn't supposed to), they had to start changing their narrative, and at that point, they clammed up and regrouped so they could get their ducks in a row and clean up loose ends…

Turned out there were so many mistakes that day, that it took them years to clean it up…

Honestly, where they screwed up in '63 was executing the plan in Texas, where Texas LEO's are quite a bit more stubborn with regard to jurisdiction and investigations and far less willing to bow down to federal investigators to run the show…

There's a reason Chicago was the preferred location for the attempt…but that fell through…

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the day of the shooting, there were reports that a third sniper team was supposed to be on the building where Crooks shot from. There were statements made to the effect of "the third sniper team did not show up for some unknown reason."

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The easiest way to tell someone is lying is changing their story.
First - it was local police. Oops, local police says they in no way were responsible for that building.
Next - well, it was hot
Next - well, the roof was sloped
In there somewhere is that the team just didn't show up

The one I think they've stuck with was the sloped roof narrative. While that is insanely stupid, the dumbest of the 4 was well, they just didn't show up.