Some of yall need to accept that we are never going to get the real answers on this stuff…

We will get some "official" report and be forced to swallow it…

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According to the Bethal County ME Crooks was shot once through the left orbital socket and the bullet exited just above the Atlas C1 severing the medulla oblongata.

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Then the online photo is a fake.No shot through either eye.

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Disagree. Some doc way back in this thread posted about a deformation of the left orbital eye socket when the photo was first released. You can definitely see that.

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Staff asked us to keep this thread on FACTS!!

…and you sir, have stated a fact! Star and parachute for you. Now I need to clean up the coffee you made me spill.

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Seems you're coming around? Your participation to this point has been largely sarcastic criticism. How's all of these independent and random coincidences working out for you?

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And the assassin they deployed is another Day of the Jackal. Top notch.

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I am still trying to reconcile this video with Crooks position, especially with the ladies purse being shot.

Problem is, that's my footage @chrismartenson is using,
and Chris gets it wrong.

The shot that hits the railing didn't come from Crooks.

Why is Chris Martenson editing that out?

Using my footage, & editing out KEY INFORMATION?

Confirmation Bias, at best 🙄@bennyjohnson https://t.co/eGETaKLSL9 pic.twitter.com/kmTUdGUQzL

— John Cullen 🐓 (@I_Am_JohnCullen) July 19, 2024

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That Cullen guy is a tool. Anyone that questions him or disagrees with his post he literally just calls an idiot. He shared the same video in like 10 tweets with slightly different messages none of which "proved" a second shooter. And then called anyone an idiot

I can remember visiting the JFK/6th floor museum in Dallas, seeing the zapruder tape and thinking if it were modern day we would have so much phone videos we would have ample evidence to sort it all out.

Guess I was wrong.

Hard to believe between all the cell phones and news cameras and campaign cameras that we wouldn't have more answers.

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That Cullen guy is a tool. Anyone that questions him or disagrees with his post he literally just calls an idiot. He shared the same video in like 10 tweets with slightly different messages none of which "proved" a second shooter. And then called anyone an idiot

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Yes, he is. But is the video he posted accurate or doctored?

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I can remember visiting the JFK/6th floor museum in Dallas, seeing the zapruder tape and thinking if it were modern day we would have so much phone videos we would have ample evidence to sort it all out.

Guess I was wrong.

Hard to believe between all the cell phones and news cameras and campaign cameras that we wouldn't have more answers.

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What exactly do you think we are missing? We have video of each person that got shot getting shot, we have video of the shooter getting into position and people seeing him. We have video of the counter sniper teams, we have video of Trump getting shot. And that is just video that has been made public. There is probably a ton of other video we haven't seen that the FBI has.

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I can remember visiting the JFK/6th floor museum in Dallas, seeing the zapruder tape and thinking if it were modern day we would have so much phone videos we would have ample evidence to sort it all out.

Guess I was wrong.

Hard to believe between all the cell phones and news cameras and campaign cameras that we wouldn't have more answers.

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What is missing from the videos?

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That Cullen guy is a tool. Anyone that questions him or disagrees with his post he literally just calls an idiot. He shared the same video in like 10 tweets with slightly different messages none of which "proved" a second shooter. And then called anyone an idiot

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Yes, he is. But is the video he posted accurate or doctored?

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Have no idea. The one I watched that he posted multiple times basically only showed the stands with the presumption that a bullet was fired from behind the red barn?

Maybe there was a second shooter but am I supposed to believe it wasn't targeting Trump but instead 30' to his left in the stands?

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Hard to believe between all the cell phones and news cameras and campaign cameras that we wouldn't have more answers.

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Until you realize they have no intention on keeping you informed, but do intend to keep you misinformed.

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I suspect that had Trump not been hit most of the media/political edifice would be claiming this was "just a shooting" not an assassination attempt.

That photo was not shot perpendicular to the building resulting in a perspective that is deceptive. He was near the ridge of the building as evidenced by other photos showing the body near the ridge.

There's speculation that the police interaction happened within a minute or so of the first shot.

Does not excuse anything if the counter sniper teams noticed him on the roof and the SS leader sat on his thumb.

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That Cullen guy is a tool. Anyone that questions him or disagrees with his post he literally just calls an idiot. He shared the same video in like 10 tweets with slightly different messages none of which "proved" a second shooter. And then called anyone an idiot

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Yes, he is. But is the video he posted accurate or doctored?

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Have no idea. The one I watched that he posted multiple times basically only showed the stands with the presumption that a bullet was fired from behind the red barn?

Maybe there was a second shooter but am I supposed to believe it wasn't targeting Trump but instead 30' to his left in the stands?

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He is stating that the second shooter shot at the sniper team, which took a similar trajectory into the top of the stands. The lady with the purse is in the middle of the top of the stands. To illustrate her position, here is a picture from a tweet……

🧵Analysis of footage from the Trump assassination attempt shows that Trump and David Dutch were hit in Crook's initial 3 shot volley. Corey Comperatore and James Copenhaver were struck by Crook's follow-up volley a few seconds later. (1/8) pic.twitter.com/mlQ1wz9ZBj

— Oliver Alexander (@OAlexanderDK) July 19, 2024

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Bongino reported that his source said that shot was made from close to 400 yards through a roughly 9" hole through a tree

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Maybe 400 feet. Because 400 yards would put the counter sniper well off the property in a residential area.

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I can remember visiting the JFK/6th floor museum in Dallas, seeing the zapruder tape and thinking if it were modern day we would have so much phone videos we would have ample evidence to sort it all out.

Guess I was wrong.

Hard to believe between all the cell phones and news cameras and campaign cameras that we wouldn't have more answers.

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What exactly do you think we are missing? We have video of each person that got shot getting shot, we have video of the shooter getting into position and people seeing him. We have video of the counter sniper teams, we have video of Trump getting shot. And that is just video that has been made public. There is probably a ton of other video we haven't seen that the FBI has.

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Bongino reported that his source said that shot was made from close to 400 yards through a roughly 9" hole through a tree

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Maybe 400 feet. Because 400 yards would put the counter sniper well off the property in a residential area.

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IIRC, one of the first statements put out by the SS stated that the shooter was killed by a sniper who was 400 yards away. Perhaps they were confusing yards and feet.

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IIRC, one of the first statements put out by the SS stated that the shooter was killed by a sniper who was 400 yards away. Perhaps they were confusing yards and feet.

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Or meters. I have read articles that switch back and forth between yards, meters, feet within the same article. So either they don't know the difference and are just parroting someone else, or the desire their readers to do the math.

Modern reporting sucks.

does anyone think that if you replaced every single "secret service" agent in this scenario with someone who has played more than 10 games of counterstrike, that this dip**** would even stand a chance of getting shots off at Trump from that close?

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Bongino reported that his source said that shot was made from close to 400 yards through a roughly 9" hole through a tree

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Maybe 400 feet. Because 400 yards would put the counter sniper well off the property in a residential area.

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IIRC, one of the first statements put out by the SS stated that the shooter was killed by a sniper who was 400 yards away. Perhaps they were confusing yards and feet.

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And a pet peeve of mine. The absolute idiocy when it comes to dimensions. Claims that Trump was a millimeter away from death, repeated over and over, shows how stupid people are in the press and in general. Get with it people a milimeter is 1/25.4 of an inch or 0.03937". If they had said a centimeter, slightly more than 3/8 of an inch, away from death then I would not be too critical.

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Bongino reported that his source said that shot was made from close to 400 yards through a roughly 9" hole through a tree

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Maybe 400 feet. Because 400 yards would put the counter sniper well off the property in a residential area.

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IIRC, one of the first statements put out by the SS stated that the shooter was killed by a sniper who was 400 yards away. Perhaps they were confusing yards and feet.

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And a pet peeve of mine. The absolute idiocy when it comes to dimensions. Claims that Trump was a millimeter away from death, repeated over and over, shows how stupid people are in the press and in general. Get with it people a milimeter is 1/25.4 of an inch or 0.03937". If they had said a centimeter, slightly more than 3/8 of an inch, away from death then I would not be too critical.

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He was less than a millimeter away from death, the shot was dead center on target. The only thing that saved him was leaning/turning head. The distance from death is better measured in milliseconds, the time it took to turn head.

Yes. Milliseconds not millimeters is probably the best way to describe. If the head was not turned and the body not shifted forward the round would have struck in or around the ear into the brain. Frightening to see it happen on tv in real time and immediately know what happened.

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There's speculation that the police interaction happened within a minute or so of the first shot.

Does not excuse anything if the counter sniper teams noticed him on the roof and the SS leader sat on his thumb.

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That's the issue in trying to sort out the exact timeline.

The very instant that someone sighted on a roof with a rifle someone yelling out on an all channel GUN GUN GUN or whatever the protocol was that would have the USSS jump on Trump and get his ass off stage.

Failing that, the last clear chance that removes all doubt the person on the roof was an IMMINENT threat was when he points a rifle at the cop peeking over the roof.

After that moment, any further delay in getting Trump off stage is inexplicable.

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Also probably a ton of relevant video still sitting on people's phones.

After 9-11 video taken by random people on the street trickled out for years.

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There's speculation that the police interaction happened within a minute or so of the first shot.

Does not excuse anything if the counter sniper teams noticed him on the roof and the SS leader sat on his thumb.

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That's the issue in trying to sort out the exact timeline.

The very instant that someone sighted on a roof with a rifle someone yelling out on an all channel GUN GUN GUN or whatever the protocol was that would have the USSS jump on Trump and get his ass off stage.

Failing that, the last clear chance that removes all doubt the person on the roof was an IMMINENT threat was when he points a rifle at the cop peeking over the roof.

After that moment, any further delay in getting Trump off stage is inexplicable.

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Its very simple task to clear the roof. The guy was doing a belly crawl up to the ridge for Christ's sake. He was noticed 10 to 20 minutes before the first shot. WTF? Massive and fatal failure.

And if the cop poked his head up a minute before the first shot, Trump was already on the stage for almost 10 minutes. At that point it was too late.

Look at the timeline posted and think about it.

Sticking with the facts, the USSS on-site knew about a guy on the roof for at least 26 minutes. They must have known he had a gun for at least several seconds before allowing him to take 8 shots, and more likely over 2 minutes. And I say 'allowing' because they did nothing to protect Trump on-stage either remotely (via snipers) or directly (via stage team in body armor etc).

They also apparently had zero plan to maintain aerial surveillance which would have again provided solid data Trump was in danger.

And they had zero coverage of that roof, to our knowledge, other than one of their 2 sniper teams.

And they had zero integrated communications plan vs. feedback of threats from local folks they intentionally relied on.

And they had zero plan to quickly evacuate the Suburban he was tossed into, having to ram down a gate in the emergency evacuation.

And they had zero plan to monitor the airspace of the event before hand that day for possible threatening drone surveillance of final positions.

And they had zero plan to block/obscure the view of the roof the shooter was on since they couldn't put a team/person there due to the 'slope.' Dan Bongino has mentioned using cheap hobby lobby type of 'snow' glazing to block windows in prior SS assignments even.

And we know the SS leadership is angry to face criticism of their performance based on public comments.

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There's speculation that the police interaction happened within a minute or so of the first shot.

Does not excuse anything if the counter sniper teams noticed him on the roof and the SS leader sat on his thumb.

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That's the issue in trying to sort out the exact timeline.

The very instant that someone sighted on a roof with a rifle someone yelling out on an all channel GUN GUN GUN or whatever the protocol was that would have the USSS jump on Trump and get his ass off stage.

Failing that, the last clear chance that removes all doubt the person on the roof was an IMMINENT threat was when he points a rifle at the cop peeking over the roof.

After that moment, any further delay in getting Trump off stage is inexplicable.

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Its very simple task to clear the roof. The guy was doing a belly crawl up to the ridge for Christ's sake. He was noticed 10 to 20 minutes before the first shot. WTF? Massive and fatal failure.

And if the cop poked his head up a minute before the first shot, Trump was already on the stage for almost 10 minutes. At that point it was too late.

Look at the timeline posted and think about it.

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Imagine a scenario where the shooter is at the peak of the roof in prone position getting ready to fire.

The cop sticks his head over the roof (behind the shooter?) the shooter turns around points rifle at cop and immediately turns back around sets up, reacquires target and fires a literal perfect shot which is only thwarted by a last minute head tilt.

Even if it happened that fast there might've been time to yell something out over the radio to initiate the USSS covering Trump.

So many failures had to occur to even get to that point it's inexplicable and also incredulous.

Agreed on all that. I'm hung up on the last possible moment. The very last clear chance to avoid imminent disaster which was the time between pointing a rifle at a cop and shots fired. All the timelines we've seen so far seem to omit that key fact.

But it's clear that we looking at failures stacked on top of failures here as you describe.

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That Cullen guy is a tool. Anyone that questions him or disagrees with his post he literally just calls an idiot. He shared the same video in like 10 tweets with slightly different messages none of which "proved" a second shooter. And then called anyone an idiot

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Yes, he is. But is the video he posted accurate or doctored?

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Have no idea. The one I watched that he posted multiple times basically only showed the stands with the presumption that a bullet was fired from behind the red barn?

Maybe there was a second shooter but am I supposed to believe it wasn't targeting Trump but instead 30' to his left in the stands?

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He is stating that the second shooter shot at the sniper team, which took a similar trajectory into the top of the stands. The lady with the purse is in the middle of the top of the stands. To illustrate her position, here is a picture from a tweet……

🧵Analysis of footage from the Trump assassination attempt shows that Trump and David Dutch were hit in Crook's initial 3 shot volley. Corey Comperatore and James Copenhaver were struck by Crook's follow-up volley a few seconds later. (1/8) pic.twitter.com/mlQ1wz9ZBj

— Oliver Alexander (@OAlexanderDK) July 19, 2024

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So the alleged shooter got off two separate volleys before SS could engage? Someone they knew was there for over an hour?

That's what we are supposed to believe?

Mmmkay…

Im hung up on the shooter they recruited.

Go spend an hour calling attention to yourself and then climb up on the roof and take your shot.

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The cop sticks his head over the roof (behind the shooter?) the shooter turns around points rifle at cop and immediately turns back around sets up, reacquires target and fires a literal perfect shot which is only thwarted by a last minute head tilt.

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I have been hung up on that one as well. It just makes more sense to me given what we know of the timing at this point, the cop taking a peek over the roof line was somewhere in front of the shooter and he simply moved the barrel towards him, he disappears and shooter moves the barrel back to reacquire his target.

I-am-Cullen says the first shot, came from the trees and was likely to take out the sniper, but missed, and hit the three people along the back of the grandstand. I can see his video and understand what he is saying, but my question/problem is why do that? The first shot needs to be the head shot on the primary target. One volley is what you can expect because all heck is going to break loose as soon as the initial volley is shot and agents dog pile Trump. I see no logical reason for the first shot to be as he describes it. First shot has to be at the primary target.