Shots fired at Trump [Keep it factual -- Staff]

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Except for the cop that rushed the shot. Everyone but that guy was in on it. Everyone.

ETA, its total incompetence by the assassination team that he wasnt read in.
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Barnyard96 said:

Except for the cop that rushed the shot. Everyone but that guy was in on it. Everyone.


You mean the cop that allegedly had a gun pointed at him by the shooter and then did nothing?

Not sure that supports your point.
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So he was in on it. That makes sense now. I bet he was the signal for the real shooter.

Man, this thing goes deep and wide.
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JFABNRGR said:

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I don't find this credible. Snipers inside a bldg with no vantage point and didn't confront a suspicious person. How come they saw the backpack but no rifle?

And where did they see him and from where?
tweet says he was observed using a rangefinder to "get the exact distance to Trump"

Other than finding the range and calculating the ballistics for a rifle shot, is there any other legitimate use for a rangefinder? Obviously wasn't golfing. Some photography something, perhaps?

Because if there's not alternative uses and they were able to tell that he was using a rangefinder then they surely knew that he was setting up a shot. How could any LEO not put the pieces together?
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this has been debunked so many times even on Fox News and Megyn Kelly
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Barnyard96 said:

So he was in on it. That makes sense now. I bet he was the signal for the real shooter.

Man, this thing goes deep and wide.
Who said that? Multiple communications about a suspicious guy climbing walls of a building with a perfect line of sight ignored. Citizens reporting this shooter on the roof to officials. A sniper with a clear shot on the shooter asking to take the shot and denied.

Doesn't have to be hundreds of people involved. Just a few saying don't shoot this guy because he's one of "us".

But yea. It's gross incompetence. Sounds exactly like the Epstein committed suicide but all of a sudden all the cameras stopped working and the guards just happened to be asleep.
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Science Denier said:

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It was all a set up. Comically incompetent 'temporary' agents, junior newbie in charge, local police watching patsy for more than 26 minutes, 20 foot ladder to roof, no attempt to shield Trump until shots fired. Oh, and no one will be fired/resign even.

I am really not understanding why folks don't see the obvious set up at this point, I guess it just 'feels terrible' to accept the violent nature of 'our government.'

Longish video but good discussion starts around 12 minutes:
I think most realize this was a hit. You are seeing that in the polls. There are a few that just refuse to use logic and there are several with such bad TDS that they are glad the attempted assassination happened.

You can't explain the gross incompetence at this level. From staffing to planning to execution. You would have to believe there was MASSIVE failure at every level. Or, that the shooter was helped alot by the inside.

Conclusion on this being an inside job has been reached by most.
100 percent. Bongino's latest show is good but it was before some of the late night news came out that they had him under watch for 26 minutes etc. I'm just gonna ignore those folks comments at this point.





It sure seems like that water tower should have been secured…if the SS planning didn't want to facilitate Crooks' ability to take pot shots at Trump.

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B-1 83 said:

nortex97 said:

The shooter (crooks) was in a Blackrock advert they decided to pull over the weekend after the shooting. Is that also not true in your world?
Perfecta example! A smoking gun if we've ever seen one! Deep analysis at its finest!

He and classmates were in the background of a Blackrock commercial in 2022 featuring teachers and investing. He wasn't paid, and certainly wasn't employed by them.

So now we have BlackRock, the local police, and the obviously incompetent Secret Service all conspiring together in a twisted plot………. a twisted plot that all these incompetent people will keep secret. Seems like every day more and more people would have to be involved in this plot and would have to keep quiet.
Smoking gun
- multiple sources seeing shooter and nothing done
- nobody manning the roof of the most obvious point for an assassination
- insanely inadequate staffing of SS. ****, one of the people closest to Trump hid during the shooting!!
- Citizens IDing the shooter and letting officials know
- reports that everyone knew this guy was there, climbing the walls, for 30 min and nothing done

Blackrock commercial is not on that list. More of a secondary point.
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Hey man, I'm on board this answers way more questions than it creates
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LMCane said:

this has been debunked so many times even on Fox News and Megyn Kelly
You think???????? It's just an example ……
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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Cliff.Booth said:

Don't be obtuse. The guy drives every day, flies every week, eats, drinks, sleeps. Use your imagination a little down a more realistic path than a professional shooter further back missing an easy shot.
Some people just love a good conspiracy and will twist it every which way but lose to fit there narrative.

That or the poster is trolling, ignore them.
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Science Denier said:

B-1 83 said:

nortex97 said:

The shooter (crooks) was in a Blackrock advert they decided to pull over the weekend after the shooting. Is that also not true in your world?
Perfecta example! A smoking gun if we've ever seen one! Deep analysis at its finest!

He and classmates were in the background of a Blackrock commercial in 2022 featuring teachers and investing. He wasn't paid, and certainly wasn't employed by them.

So now we have BlackRock, the local police, and the obviously incompetent Secret Service all conspiring together in a twisted plot………. a twisted plot that all these incompetent people will keep secret. Seems like every day more and more people would have to be involved in this plot and would have to keep quiet.
Smoking gun
- multiple sources seeing shooter and nothing done
- nobody manning the roof of the most obvious point for an assassination
- insanely inadequate staffing of SS. ****, one of the people closest to Trump hid during the shooting!!
- Citizens IDing the shooter and letting officials know
- reports that everyone knew this guy was there, climbing the walls, for 30 min and nothing done

Blackrock commercial is not on that list. More of a secondary point.


All part of a master plan dependent on a bunch of incompetent people all keeping their mouths shut. Got it.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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FireAg said:

A lot of ostriches with their heads in the ground too…
Some have watched to many movies and played to many games.....
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B-1 83 said:

Science Denier said:

B-1 83 said:

nortex97 said:

The shooter (crooks) was in a Blackrock advert they decided to pull over the weekend after the shooting. Is that also not true in your world?
Perfecta example! A smoking gun if we've ever seen one! Deep analysis at its finest!

He and classmates were in the background of a Blackrock commercial in 2022 featuring teachers and investing. He wasn't paid, and certainly wasn't employed by them.

So now we have BlackRock, the local police, and the obviously incompetent Secret Service all conspiring together in a twisted plot………. a twisted plot that all these incompetent people will keep secret. Seems like every day more and more people would have to be involved in this plot and would have to keep quiet.
Smoking gun
- multiple sources seeing shooter and nothing done
- nobody manning the roof of the most obvious point for an assassination
- insanely inadequate staffing of SS. ****, one of the people closest to Trump hid during the shooting!!
- Citizens IDing the shooter and letting officials know
- reports that everyone knew this guy was there, climbing the walls, for 30 min and nothing done

Blackrock commercial is not on that list. More of a secondary point.


All part of a master plan dependent on a bunch of incompetent people all keeping their mouths shut a plan to staff the plan with a bunch of incompetent people and tell them exactly what to do Got it.
FIFY

You see, if you staff the plan with competent people, they will ignore your orders and do what's right.
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FireAg said:

Barnyard96 said:

FireAg said:

We will probably never know…

Very limited though…has to be…

You need the confusion to distract from what's actually going on…

Like a magician using sleight of hand…

Everyone on the ground is looking at and screaming about some kid with a rifle on a roof…. No one does anything… Why?

Because he was the distraction…



Distraction to what? Another shooter? Any reports of that? Phone footage? Anything?

Nope..and there won't be…

What's the closest clump of trees behind the dead kid? That's where I would look…

Doesn't mean the sniper was actually in a tree…but that would be my first guess as it's the easiest to conceal…
yeah, lets take a shot in an unstable perch thru branches, at a smallish target 200-yards away. That makes sense for the most likely scenario.

Please start your on thread on the conspiracy theories so the rest of us can read this thread with out all your lack of brain power embedded.
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GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

What other shooter? One shooter…


Oh ok show me evidence of the pro shooter other than the 20 year old that also missed

Show me evidence the 20yo kid fired a gun…

Video of the actual shots? Muzzle flashes? Anything?
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Just wondering but you wouldn't happen to believe the earth is a flat disk... Would you?
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1. its 4chan. never believe 4chan, especially when it involves some sort of shooting. they are notorious for trying to "trick" the media and people on twitter to believing stupid **** so it can become a meme later.

2.) i doubt a professional sniper would say things like "i saw him fiddle with his rifle and adjust the scope". He would certainly have more vocabulary to explain precisely what he was doing for those 3 minutes.

3.) the picture of the counter sniper didnt even have an unobstructed view to the shooter, his view was blocked by trees, it was the counter sniper team behind him that delivered the kill shot.

for the 100th time.
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In one of the above posts, it shows the shooters gun nearly 6 feet away to his side. How would the gun be that far from him? If the return fire was indeed a head shot wouldn't the rifle be next to him.
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Science Denier said:

Barnyard96 said:

So he was in on it. That makes sense now. I bet he was the signal for the real shooter.

Man, this thing goes deep and wide.
Who said that? Multiple communications about a suspicious guy climbing walls of a building with a perfect line of sight ignored. Citizens reporting this shooter on the roof to officials. A sniper with a clear shot on the shooter asking to take the shot and denied.

Doesn't have to be hundreds of people involved. Just a few saying don't shoot this guy because he's one of "us".

But yea. It's gross incompetence. Sounds exactly like the Epstein committed suicide but all of a sudden all the cameras stopped working and the guards just happened to be asleep.
What reports said they saw him climbing the walls.

The reports posted say they saw him thru a window outside. Nothing about climbing walls.
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agracer said:

FireAg said:

A lot of ostriches with their heads in the ground too…
Some have watched to many movies and played to many games.....
Russia really did influence the election. I mean, so many people had to be part of that conspiracy, right?
Hunter's laptop really was Russian disinformation. I mean, so many people had to be part of that conspiracy, right?
Epstein really did kill himself. I mean, so many people had to be part of that conspiracy, right?
The government wouldn't really sensor all social media. I mean, so many people had to be part of that conspiracy, right?

If these ****wads didn't have such a track record of corruptness with all the proven "conspiracy theories", then the trust factor wouldn't be FUBR. But, when you are lied to over and over and over and over and over and over, well, when something that happens is just so stupid to be believed, it's not believed.
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What I'm seeing here is another JFK-style conspiracy, as per the responses in this thread.

I'm leaning more toward Occam's Razor here, the simplest explanation is it. That is, this loser kid is the sole shooter coupled with incompetence from the security detail.

But, given the way this thread has been going, I'm wondering if perhaps I should write a movie that someone like Oliver Stone can direct. It would obviously have the patsy kid as the focus, but according to this thread, there would need to be some massive conspiracy emanating from all levels of government and a second shooter located in the trees behind the patsy but in the same line of sight to Trump.
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Quote:


of course they would denote Trump's position with orange, lol
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agracer said:

Science Denier said:

Barnyard96 said:

So he was in on it. That makes sense now. I bet he was the signal for the real shooter.

Man, this thing goes deep and wide.
Who said that? Multiple communications about a suspicious guy climbing walls of a building with a perfect line of sight ignored. Citizens reporting this shooter on the roof to officials. A sniper with a clear shot on the shooter asking to take the shot and denied.

Doesn't have to be hundreds of people involved. Just a few saying don't shoot this guy because he's one of "us".

But yea. It's gross incompetence. Sounds exactly like the Epstein committed suicide but all of a sudden all the cameras stopped working and the guards just happened to be asleep.
What reports said they saw him climbing the walls.

The reports posted say they saw him thru a window outside. Nothing about climbing walls.
I think it was the daily mail that interviewed a citizen that showed an officer where the shooter was and how he got there.
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FireAg said:

GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

What other shooter? One shooter…


Oh ok show me evidence of the pro shooter other than the 20 year old that also missed

Show me evidence the 20yo kid fired a gun…

Video of the actual shots? Muzzle flashes? Anything?


You can just say you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims. No need to answer a question with a question and dance around.
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GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

What other shooter? One shooter…


Oh ok show me evidence of the pro shooter other than the 20 year old that also missed

Show me evidence the 20yo kid fired a gun…

Video of the actual shots? Muzzle flashes? Anything?


You can just say you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims. No need to answer a question with a question and dance around.

You have no evidence either…that's my point…

And that's the way they want it…
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FireAg said:

GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

What other shooter? One shooter…


Oh ok show me evidence of the pro shooter other than the 20 year old that also missed

Show me evidence the 20yo kid fired a gun…

Video of the actual shots? Muzzle flashes? Anything?


You can just say you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims. No need to answer a question with a question and dance around.

You have no evidence either…that's my point…

And that's the way they want it…


Yet I'm not making stuff up and presenting it as fact
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GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

GAC06 said:

FireAg said:

What other shooter? One shooter…


Oh ok show me evidence of the pro shooter other than the 20 year old that also missed

Show me evidence the 20yo kid fired a gun…

Video of the actual shots? Muzzle flashes? Anything?


You can just say you have no evidence whatsoever to back up your claims. No need to answer a question with a question and dance around.

You have no evidence either…that's my point…

And that's the way they want it…


Yet I'm not making stuff up and presenting it as fact

I have said nothing as fact…

Other than it is fact that we don't know anything concrete about the weapon, shell casings, or reasons why the kid is on the radar for 30 mins and folks either choose to ignore him or are told to…
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It's pointless to continue arguing…

You have your stance…I have mine…
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Still no evidence that a cop distracted the shooter in any way. At most the cop saw him. The story has already evolved from "climbed a ladder, rifle got pointed at him, dropped off the ladder" to "stood on shoulders and saw him"
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In other news, OJ was framed.
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not sure but that looks like maybe its a photo from a news chopper?

Typically, when LEO finds a shooter, even when that shooter is down and very clearly dead, removing the firearm from the vicinity of the body is still what you typically see them do. Now, how do you "kick" an AR14 4-6 feet? No idea. maybe LEO got to the body and dragged the rifle away?
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That SS ***** on the radio just said they didn't have somebody on that roof because it was sloped and they were worried about their safety… Are you freaking kidding me… The counter snipers were on a sloped roof
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agent-maroon said:

JFABNRGR said:

Agthatbuilds said:




I don't find this credible. Snipers inside a bldg with no vantage point and didn't confront a suspicious person. How come they saw the backpack but no rifle?

And where did they see him and from where?
tweet says he was observed using a rangefinder to "get the exact distance to Trump"

Other than finding the range and calculating the ballistics for a rifle shot, is there any other legitimate use for a rangefinder? Obviously wasn't golfing. Some photography something, perhaps?

Because if there's not alternative uses and they were able to tell that he was using a rangefinder then they surely knew that he was setting up a shot. How could any LEO not put the pieces together?
No other use than I can think of.
The article I read did state the LEAs wondered if it was binoculars or really a range finder.
Most range finders are monocular but there are now several binoculars with range finders built in.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Still no evidence that a cop distracted the shooter in any way. At most the cop saw him. The story has already evolved from "climbed a ladder, rifle got pointed at him, dropped off the ladder" to "stood on shoulders and saw him"

To a local swat unit inside the building saw him, took a photo, called it in, then started to get ready to go out to find him when the shots rang out.
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