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Maybe they communicated to local law enforcement to have it covered and that's where the screw up lies. They though the local police had it covered (they were actually near the building) but they just failed at their job.

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That doesn't explain why they didn't verify that security. And reverify it. And continuously reverify it in real time.

Aggiehawg Well, well, well!!! Ummmmmm. Gives one pause, doesn't it!!!!

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I don't think you understand what I wrote

OF COURSE this could have been a 20 year old non-military veteran taking the shot- and he was 2 inches from a "perfect" shot.

if anything, the case is opposite from what most of the dummies are saying. instead of claiming "that is such an easy shot how could he miss"

the reality is that is a tough condition shot to make, and he still nearly pulled it off.

literally millimeters away. it's ridiculous to claim the shooter sucked and was trying to miss or something like that

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And I'm not disagreeing with you. If anything, I'm adding to what you've said and I'm addressing the crowd that think the only way this could have been planned or coordinated was for it to be a highly trained sniper. Their angle is grossly naive to the culture that is permeating in our agencies.

I know I often bust your chops on all things Trump, but you've been consistent in your take and support for him in this situation. I respect you more for that and apologize if it was misunderstood.

i believe Hawkeye was referring to the CAT counter assault team - at least that's what I heard from Dan Bongino on an interview he was giving.

I believe Trump's secret service codename is Mogul.

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Access to that roof should have been denied by personnel in place on it. Or line of sight to the stage should have been taken away by a barrier being in place between it and the stage, or both should have happened. The sheer simplicity of the required actions is so elementary it screams to me that it was intentional by someone in the chain somewhere.

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Agree. Even the dumbest homeowner knows to put a lock on every door leading into their home if they want to secure it. This is the freaking Secret Service protecting one of the most important people in the world. They've done this hundreds if not thousands of times. There's no way you're ever going to convince me that they inadvertently forgot to secure a roof 150 yards away. They put their own freaking counter-snipers on the roofs for crying out loud. No way that someone wouldn't have had the thought that a shooter would do the same.

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Maybe they communicated to local law enforcement to have it covered and that's where the screw up lies. They though the local police had it covered (they were actually near the building) but they just failed at their job.

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It's still the SS's job to ensure security.

Even if that spot was delegated, they should be calling over comms to ensure coverage.

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The Secret Service will make no changes to security at the Republican National Convention in the aftermath of an assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump, the agency said Sunday.

"We are confident in the plans that we have and are moving forward with those plans," Audrey Gibson-Cicchino, the Secret Service's RNC convention coordinator, told reporters.

Trump, 78, will arrive in Milwaukee on Sunday ahead of the four-day convention during which he will be formally named the Republican nominee for president.

Earlier in the day, President Biden announced that he had directed the Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle to "review all security measures" for the GOP convention.

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The Secret Service has set up what they are calling a "soft perimeter" around the convention site. No protests of any sort will be allowed inside of that perimeter and nobody will be allowed through without appropriate ID and their name appearing on the list of designated invitees and speakers. That all sounds good, but they need to ensure that the have the manpower and the appropriate barriers to maintain that zone. We've seen protesters rushing and even attacking the police in recent months. There's no reason to assume that those lunatics might not try the same thing against the Secret Service.

Still, the fact remains that someone tried to fire a bullet into Donald Trump's skull less than two days ago. You would think that further increasing these security measures would be justified and timely. Yet the head of the Service insists there is no need for that.

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Not sure why folks would expect changes to RNC convention security after this.

That place is locked up tighter than Ft. Knox with layers of security ringing the place for blocks.

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Calling out the critical thinking of others while dismissing a 20 year old climbing a roof 135 meters from Trump speaking at a rural location and then taking 2 minutes with the crowd pointing at him, to get off 8 shots, before he was terminated by the snipers (after hitting Trump) with a clear line of site to him is…amusing.

Biden loses it in debate with 'it's over polling.'
Trump wins POTUS immunity ruling

USSS:
"The best technology."

"The finest people."

"Oops, we weren't using the same frequency."

"Didn't think the 'unknown' guy with the scoped rifle on the roof posed a reason to protect Trump/evacuate."

"Couldn't see him until after he shot…and didn't move."

"Can't get into his phone, darn it." (But FBI's on it, trust us).

"No social media"

"Donated to act blue...but was a conservative."

'-You crazy conspiracy theorists, no way this was a coordinated operation.'

C'mon, man.

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Or:
- This was not their best team.
- Clearly there were communication issues between the police and SS. More will come out on that I'm sure.
- No evidence anyone on SS was aware or saw the guy before he fired.
- Not rare for them to not be able to hack a phone in 48 hours.

But to follow your logic you'd have to believe the "cabal" or whatever hinged their entire giant conspiracy plot on a 20 year old loser using his dad's rifle.

Dude was a lunatic and crazy people do crazy things, especially when the dems and media spend 4 years talking about how Trump is a threat to democracy, hitler etc. Going to need to see some actual evidence before I'd believe anything else.

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This is FALSE. Team #1 has :42 of video of them trained on the location of the shooter. Both of them having had changed their set ups from minutes earlier such as rifle on tripod to rifle off tripod etc. Team #2 at the time of the shooting is also trained on the position of the shooter but we have yet to see vid/photo evidence of how long in that position. Regardless, there are 4 snipers trained on a threat and the President is still exposed and has yet to been covered by his Personal Protection Team.

What has not been discussed yet is the the position of both of these teams cannot see portions of the stage and or bleachers. There has to be another team or two out to the front looking back towards the stage and or barns for overlapping fields of fire.

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Zero evidence of this. From this graphic on the other thread, seems likely team 1 was somewhat blocked by trees and possibly the slope of the roof, and team 2 took the shot once they heard the firing and zeroed on the target.

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So four counter snipers all assigned to the same sector of fire?
Roof pitch...do the damn math to include prone versus standing/kneeling on a taller building and note he was eventually shot reportedly from team 2 which is further away with a tougher elevation angle. I will grant you the tree may have obstructed team #1 but again when 4 snipers are trained on the same 10 degree location (2 of them for at least :42) leaving open the other 350 degrees; Hawkeye should have been covered and removed.

Also look at the bullet trajectory behind his head it is damn near parallel to the stage only a slight downward inclination while the snipers are all well above this.

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Don't think anyone really knows yet. Maybe team two was actually supposed to be covering the area at the bottom right and shifted back towards the shots to make the shot? The team that's making the rounds in the video pointing in the direction of the shooter is apparently not the one that took the shot though. Agreed there should have been more coverage than just these 4 people all basically in one spot. And I'm sure a more definitive timeline will come out with the AAR and hopefully this is the last time any of the idiots who managed this are in charge of planning site security again.

Has it been determined whether the shooter used a fixed ladder or a portable extension ladder?

The side of the building looks to be around 18 feet or so.

How heavy is a 20 foot extension ladder?

Probably between 30 and 50 lbs minimum depending on whether fiberglass or aluminum.

Was the kid driving a vehicle capable of transporting a 20 foot extension ladder?

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Has it been determined whether the shooter used a fixed ladder or a portable extension ladder?

The side of the building looks to be around 18 feet or so.

How heavy is a 20 foot extension ladder?

Probably between 30 and 50 lbs minimum depending on whether fiberglass or aluminum.

Was the kid driving a vehicle capable of transporting a 20 foot extension ladder?

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There was some type of connecting hallway between buildings that had a lower roofline. Get on top that and then lift himself up to the next taller roofline?

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I don't know but he did it with a backpack and a rifle. There is some lower connecting hallways between buildings as Aggiehawg pointed out in next post that also have HVAC close by but would have required more muscle than he had to climb. My guess is ladder but which or where still not determined. The ladder in the videos is an offset behind trees mostly hidden FWIW.

one can build a set of stairs that can reach that roof top with just 917 paperback copies of catcher in the rye.

Has anyone heard about this woman? What's her deal? She seems to smirk when the shots go out.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTNfrc2h4/

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3475585/replies/68107263

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I looked at that business on Sunday on google maps.

There's an A/C unit backside that sits a couple of feet. Then you can hop on a covered entry way from there. Pretty doable for someone that age in decent shape.

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Like everything, the CIA spies on everyone and knew this was about to happen.

• They purposefully left open the best spot for a shot.
• They purposefully didn't staff SS adequately.
• They purposefully put agents on Trump that were such bad SS agents, they ducked at the first sound of fire instead of going to protect Trump. There is a photo of this.
• They knew this was about to happen as just a little while ago, the left put a bill that would strip Trump of all SS support.

The list goes on and on and on....

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Everyone's instinct is to duck when they hear gunfire. Even trained people duck/ It's human nature. They got on him pretty quickly after the first shot.

and the CIA does not assign agents. That the USSS/Homeland Security.

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Right. Neither does Congress. Sorry, I didn't point the last two were not SS related.

But, no. SS agents may duck their head for a split second and then rush the President. I agree that some did get on him right away. Not that particular agent that ducked, stay ducked and hid until the threat was over.

The SS screwed this up so badly, I could have listed them all, but only chose one to highlight to make my point. That individual should be one of the several fired yesterday. SS agent cowering when the President is being shot at. DAMN!!

people react to things differently, but certainly does look pretty glowie. what a strange reaction.

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Thank you!

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I mean C'mon man!!!! We have a vegetable for a President that is being controlled by his power addicted wife and crackhead felon son. Trust the Government they wouldn't lie to us I mean look at their track record…spotless reputation

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Calling out the critical thinking of others while dismissing a 20 year old climbing a roof 135 meters from Trump speaking at a rural location and then taking 2 minutes with the crowd pointing at him, to get off 8 shots, before he was terminated by the snipers (after hitting Trump) with a clear line of site to him is…amusing.

Biden loses it in debate with 'it's over polling.'
Trump wins POTUS immunity ruling

USSS:
"The best technology."

"The finest people."

"Oops, we weren't using the same frequency."

"Didn't think the 'unknown' guy with the scoped rifle on the roof posed a reason to protect Trump/evacuate."

"Couldn't see him until after he shot…and didn't move."

"Can't get into his phone, darn it." (But FBI's on it, trust us).

"No social media"

"Donated to act blue...but was a conservative."

'-You crazy conspiracy theorists, no way this was a coordinated operation.'

C'mon, man.

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Or:
- This was not their best team.
- Clearly there were communication issues between the police and SS. More will come out on that I'm sure.
- No evidence anyone on SS was aware or saw the guy before he fired.
- Not rare for them to not be able to hack a phone in 48 hours.

But to follow your logic you'd have to believe the "cabal" or whatever hinged their entire giant conspiracy plot on a 20 year old loser using his dad's rifle.

Dude was a lunatic and crazy people do crazy things, especially when the dems and media spend 4 years talking about how Trump is a threat to democracy, hitler etc. Going to need to see some actual evidence before I'd believe anything else.

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I don't mind your free decision to believe it was just circumstantial, and trust in the institutions/government/executive branch employees (including the intelligence community) assigned to protect Trump.

I think it's misplaced (especially the assumption that the "B" team somehow justifies the 'incompetence'), as stated, but respect that you have the right (and intelligence) to make that decision on your own. I disagree with it, but I don't dismiss this as 'well you lack critical thinking' skills.

However, I don't know why you think it's proven/accepted he was a 'lunatic,' or that as such he had a capacity to plan this to go to that spot with a rifle at the rally, and take a few minutes to take shots at Trump at exceptionally close range while under clear observation (by the crowd and sniper teams). That defies what I consider common sense but I realize some disagree.

Doesn't explain tbe 20 year old out maneuvering SS and e agents and finding the perfect spot to sit in tbeir blind spots.

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Has it been determined whether the shooter used a fixed ladder or a portable extension ladder?

The side of the building looks to be around 18 feet or so.

How heavy is a 20 foot extension ladder?

Probably between 30 and 50 lbs minimum depending on whether fiberglass or aluminum.

Was the kid driving a vehicle capable of transporting a 20 foot extension ladder?

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Those gorilla V ladders are heavier than a normal extension ladder. Not fun to carry a long way when folded up.

I'm convinced he is either bot or paid troll

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Ding ding. If the rifle does not have something like a bipod a backpack can be used to stabilize the gun in a natural position. You can see the shooter adjust a few times until he got the right position. Lets you know the guy was an amateur

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Thank you both for providing a rational explanation for this detail. Seriously, it feels great to have something that can actually be explained. Haven't had much of that since Saturday night.

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He didn't. He took it off and left it low on roof. Likely to avoid silhouetting himself with it on. Its black and really stands out on the white roof. Question is did he remove and use a bean bag or did the rifle have a bipod on it. This dude had some instruction or training either from cod or the dark web well likely never know but he was a split second from killing his primary target and succeeded in killing and wounding his secondary targets.