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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9aU1CsOR9i/?igsh=MjV0OXpxZDZpYzlw

Dallas Alexander, ex-military sniper's take on the situation.

1. No way the shooter didn't have help or was allowed to get that close.
2. If you were skilled enough to get into that position to make an assassination attempt, there's no way you wouldn't be skilled enough to make the shot in the first round.

The two points together are still very strange to me. If he was allowed to get into shooting position, or had help, there's no way whoever helped him wouldn't have someone so incredibly skilled at shooting that it would be a done deal.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 9:05a, 7/15/24
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Complacent and Unprepared PERIOD
Exactly. Blue diamond for you.

As the famous quote says, "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to Rapier108 • 9:05a, 7/15/24
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Rapier108 said:
Barnyard96 said:
Premium said:
They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.


Given the number of agencies, people, and time required, I find it extremely hard to believe.
You're using critical thinking. Most people today just want to hear what confirmation bias of what they already believe is true, and will ignore, dismiss, or attack anyone/anything which goes against their bubble.

Look at how often the 4Chan hoax keeps being repeated with people absolutely believing it to be real.


I witnessed firsthand Nicholas Cage stealing the Declaration of Independence.
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9:05a, 7/15/24
Kennedy isn't going to be POTUS so HGAF
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
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In reply to Kunkle for Congress TX-34 • 9:07a, 7/15/24
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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:


What it would take to go from Rep to Dem could be enough motivation IMO


This chick campaigned for Goldwater...

She has her shooting done for her, though.
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In reply to Premium • 9:17a, 7/15/24
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They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.
This right here.

Instead of arguing over how hard a shot is from 135 yards should be discussing how he came to want to kill Trump and how he would do it. Where are his conversations and with whom on reddit dark web etc.....not that were ever going to see them.

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In reply to Premium • 9:19a, 7/15/24
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They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.
He wasn't on the rifle team. He tried out and didn't even make JV according to another kid who was on the team.
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In reply to Premium • 9:21a, 7/15/24
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They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.
Where did you see the shooter was on a rifle team? Hell, I've seen people post that he was employed by Blackrock, so I don't know what to believe anymore.
It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
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In reply to AggieArcher17 • 9:23a, 7/15/24
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Feel like at this point Donald needs to get a private security team of red-blooded former SEALS like Tim Kennedy for his own detail until the election sorts itself out.


I was discussing this same thing the other day that Trump should hire private security made up of former Tier 1 folks that have been former MARSOC, Seals, Delta & Rangers operators.
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In reply to Gig em G • 9:23a, 7/15/24
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Gig em G said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9aU1CsOR9i/?igsh=MjV0OXpxZDZpYzlw

Dallas Alexander, ex-military sniper's take on the situation.

1. No way the shooter didn't have help or was allowed to get that close.
2. If you were skilled enough to get into that position to make an assassination attempt, there's no way you wouldn't be skilled enough to make the shot in the first round.

The two points together are still very strange to me. If he was allowed to get into shooting position, or had help, there's no way whoever helped him wouldn't have someone so incredibly skilled at shooting that it would be a done deal.

Stress is difficult to train for.
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9:23a, 7/15/24
so did the shoes come off when he was dogpiled by the secret service? so random that Trump would say "wait wait wait I need my shoes"

but bad@ss

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In reply to Monkeypoxfighter • 9:24a, 7/15/24
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Monkeypoxfighter said:
Premium said:
They found a guy they could manipulate that was on a rifle team. Groomed him. Gave inside info the roof would be clear. Made sure sniper team 1 was blinded by trees.

Not that hard to believe. He hit the target and would have been fatal had he not turned head and leaned in.
Where did you see the shooter was on a rifle team? Hell, I've seen people post that he was employed by Blackrock, so I don't know what to believe anymore.
The only thing I've seen was that he tried out for his school's rifle team but didn't make it on.
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In reply to AgPrognosticator • 9:24a, 7/15/24
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agsalaska said:
You guys that like conspiracy theories are going to have a field day with this one but the truth is almost certainly just gross incompetence

It's just like everything else in our society. Everything is breaking down. I see it every day and I know at least some of yall do to.

We can't host a soccer game anymore without thousands of fans storming the gates.
We can't play a golf tournament anymore without protestors harassing the players
All of the border towns in the South are no goes now.
Delays and travel issues with airlines have become the norm.
Random shortages at the grocery store still happen and happen often.
We won't even acknowledge the drug issues. Everywhere. In every circle and every neighborhood.
We have not had a national election free of fraud accusations in over a decade.
Cops are grossly incompetent
Schools are failing

List is endless.

Of course the USSS is not as capable as it once was. I am not at all surprised. Not in the least. I am surprised it didn't happen sooner, to Biden or Trump.



When you become a green beret and level 1 sniper, come back and give me your opinion….until the, I'll listen to actual professionals….
LOL. This is such a great response. I can hear you at the coffee shop ranting away at anyone still listening 'I know it's true It was a green beret that told me. A real Green Beret. Sniper!'

I can hear Shane Gillis doing that joke right now.
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In reply to Madman • 9:25a, 7/15/24
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Gig em G said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9aU1CsOR9i/?igsh=MjV0OXpxZDZpYzlw

Dallas Alexander, ex-military sniper's take on the situation.

1. No way the shooter didn't have help or was allowed to get that close.
2. If you were skilled enough to get into that position to make an assassination attempt, there's no way you wouldn't be skilled enough to make the shot in the first round.

The two points together are still very strange to me. If he was allowed to get into shooting position, or had help, there's no way whoever helped him wouldn't have someone so incredibly skilled at shooting that it would be a done deal.

Stress is difficult to train for.

it sounds insane to me that on a 100 degree day, on a hot roof, with a police officer poking his head up behind the shooter, knowing you are about to die, you were not in the military but a dork:

why didn't he hit a 1 foot target from 400 feet away!!
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In reply to Gig em G • 9:27a, 7/15/24
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Gig em G said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9aU1CsOR9i/?igsh=MjV0OXpxZDZpYzlw

Dallas Alexander, ex-military sniper's take on the situation.

1. No way the shooter didn't have help or was allowed to get that close.
2. If you were skilled enough to get into that position to make an assassination attempt, there's no way you wouldn't be skilled enough to make the shot in the first round.

The two points together are still very strange to me. If he was allowed to get into shooting position, or had help, there's no way whoever helped him wouldn't have someone so incredibly skilled at shooting that it would be a done deal.

You still have to find someone willing to die because it's a suicide mission. That probably reduces the applicant pool dramatically.
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In reply to Kunkle for Congress TX-34 • 9:28a, 7/15/24
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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:


What it would take to go from Rep to Dem could be enough motivation IMO
Tens of thousands of 18-22 year olds convert from Republican to Democrat every year. It's called modern "higher education". It's not difficult to fathom that he was raised conservative, registered as an R at age 18, but then somewhere in the past two years converted through exposure to leftist talking points online.
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9:30a, 7/15/24
How many similar rallies have taken place within driving distance of this kids home? Guarantee you he had been to them and seen the lack of a properly distanced perimeter. He didn't put together some mastermind event.
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In reply to Science Denier • 9:33a, 7/15/24
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Science Denier said:
Like everything, the CIA spies on everyone and knew this was about to happen.
  • They purposefully left open the best spot for a shot.
  • They purposefully didn't staff SS adequately.
  • They purposefully put agents on Trump that were such bad SS agents, they ducked at the first sound of fire instead of going to protect Trump. There is a photo of this.
  • They knew this was about to happen as just a little while ago, the left put a bill that would strip Trump of all SS support.

The list goes on and on and on....
Everyone's instinct is to duck when they hear gunfire. Even trained people duck/ It's human nature. They got on him pretty quickly after the first shot.

and the CIA does not assign agents. That the USSS/Homeland Security.
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In reply to Gig em G • 9:36a, 7/15/24
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Gig em G said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9aU1CsOR9i/?igsh=MjV0OXpxZDZpYzlw

Dallas Alexander, ex-military sniper's take on the situation.

1. No way the shooter didn't have help or was allowed to get that close.



Two ex-military snipers who actually prepped the field for protecting high value personnel (presidents, prime ministers, etc.) and they are both unequivocally stating that the assassin had to have had help from somebody on the inside. Like there is no doubt about that fact. None.

I don't understand how anyone can attribute all of this to incompetence. Incompetence on the part of some or even many, sure. But that incompetence was being exploited by someone to place that shooter on the roof.
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In reply to Gig em G • 9:37a, 7/15/24
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Gig em G said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9aU1CsOR9i/?igsh=MjV0OXpxZDZpYzlw

Dallas Alexander, ex-military sniper's take on the situation.

1. No way the shooter didn't have help or was allowed to get that close.
2. If you were skilled enough to get into that position to make an assassination attempt, there's no way you wouldn't be skilled enough to make the shot in the first round.

The two points together are still very strange to me. If he was allowed to get into shooting position, or had help, there's no way whoever helped him wouldn't have someone so incredibly skilled at shooting that it would be a done deal.
LOL...crawling across a roof does not tank any skill. A 10yr old could do it. There was what looked like a permanent access ladder in one of the photos posted. Maybe he pre-staged his rifle a few days before somewhere on site, got access to the building, got his rifle and scaled the ladder. None of that takes much skill.

And from the video's I've seen, Trump turns his head slightly before the bullet grazed his ear. If he doesn't turn his head, he'd be dead.
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In reply to LMCane • 9:39a, 7/15/24
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LMCane said:

why didn't he hit a 1 foot target from 400 feet away!!


Not that difficult for just an average deer hunter. So if someone or some intelligence or government wanted Trump dead, they would've vetted a trained sniper who could make that shot in their sleep. Maybe I'm crazy but it doesn't make sense unless it was pure incompetence by security to let him get that close.

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Was waiting for something like this splicing it together to show exactly how long his position was compromised.

The more that comes out the less I believe that incompetence is the only thing at play.
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9:43a, 7/15/24

AMAZING that Trump says "is it okay if I go off Teleprompter?" and then he starts to turn his head and body and arms to point at the Jumbotron of illegal aliens. if he would have just done a normal speech looking straight ahead...

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Look - don't believe for a second this "we don't know the motive crap" or the hand waving that he was a registered Republican or perhaps even "conservative"!

If you are shooting at Donald Trump you are not conservative, a Republican, or a supporter of the right of any kind. Sorry. Not believing that crap for a second.

So, my uncle was a die-hard conservative: very active in the county party, served as a delegate to the rnc, all of that.

Until Trump entered the picture. Now he's a democrat. Theres a lot I could probably add to this, but to your point, this kid may have been "conservative" and hated Trump so much, he became a liberal.

Granted, my uncle is decades older than this kid. And I think, Ben, that you are right: if he's shooting at Trump, it really doesn't matter what his party affiliation is. He hates the guy and wants him dead. That's his motive.
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In reply to agracer • 9:49a, 7/15/24
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Gig em G said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9aU1CsOR9i/?igsh=MjV0OXpxZDZpYzlw

Dallas Alexander, ex-military sniper's take on the situation.

1. No way the shooter didn't have help or was allowed to get that close.
2. If you were skilled enough to get into that position to make an assassination attempt, there's no way you wouldn't be skilled enough to make the shot in the first round.

The two points together are still very strange to me. If he was allowed to get into shooting position, or had help, there's no way whoever helped him wouldn't have someone so incredibly skilled at shooting that it would be a done deal.
LOL...crawling across a roof does not tank any skill. A 10yr old could do it. There was what looked like a permanent access ladder in one of the photos posted. Maybe he pre-staged his rifle a few days before somewhere on site, got access to the building, got his rifle and scaled the ladder. None of that takes much skill.

And from the video's I've seen, Trump turns his head slightly before the bullet grazed his ear. If he doesn't turn his head, he'd be dead.
The problem is there are so many people who have been completely programmed to think that everything is now a "deep state" conspiracy against Trump.

So when this happens; they are simply incapable of believing that a crazy person did this of his own accord. They start from the position that it HAS to be a massive, nefarious plot against Trump, where hundreds if not thousands of people plotted it for months or years, but ****ed it up by hiring a 20 year old who couldn't get it done.

QAnon broke the brains of so many people on the right that they will never recover.
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In reply to Gig em G • 9:50a, 7/15/24
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Gig em G said:
LMCane said:

why didn't he hit a 1 foot target from 400 feet away!!


Not that difficult for just an average deer hunter. So if someone or some intelligence or government wanted Trump dead, they would've vetted a trained sniper who could make that shot in their sleep. Maybe I'm crazy but it doesn't make sense unless it was pure incompetence by security to let him get that close.

Where he went wrong was that he was going for a headshot and didn't aim center mass. He actually had a good bead on his head but Trump (through Devine providence, or dumb luck) turned his head at precisely the right time that the round only grazed his ear. If he had aimed center mass, he would have hit him easily and likely killed him or at least seriously maimed him. (It didn't appear Trump was wearing a vest).
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In reply to Gig em G • 9:53a, 7/15/24
Gig em G said:
LMCane said:

why didn't he hit a 1 foot target from 400 feet away!!


Not that difficult for just an average deer hunter. So if someone or some intelligence or government wanted Trump dead, they would've vetted a trained sniper who could make that shot in their sleep. Maybe I'm crazy but it doesn't make sense unless it was pure incompetence by security to let him get that close.

Just like with mass school shootings and other crazy events, the goal is chaos and destruction not accuracy. "They" have a playbook for this: get a kid who has some desire to be in the military while has a grudge against authority, ensure he is juiced up on psychotropic drugs, have the FBI groom him up via internet/phone, use mind control techniques, let him loose. There are books and examples of this happening for decades, people just dont want to believe it.

If the powers at be used a true professional, that is an admission of guilt beyond all reason of doubt and the general public will be quite upset. Odds are high a shooter regardless of experience is going to die in a case like we saw on Saturday, so why choose one with ties to professional service that erase all doubt in the public's mind?

Instead groom an unstable kid, give him a manageable shot with favorable conditions and control the variables. Most of the public is too stupid or wont believe what their eyes and ears tell them; they just chalk it up to good ol incompetence and laziness.
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9:56a, 7/15/24
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Security had holes due to incompetence/negligence
The shooter had never fired on a live target
He rushed his shot bc of Sheriff
Trump turned his head

This isnt that hard.
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In reply to LMCane • 9:57a, 7/15/24
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LMCane said:

AMAZING that Trump says "is it okay if I go off Teleprompter?" and then he starts to turn his head and body and arms to point at the Jumbotron of illegal aliens. if he would have just done a normal speech looking straight ahead...



Man seeing that guy get shot is heartbreaking. That poor little girl cowering in fear behind him really gets me.

Can't imagine what these families are going through.

You folks better get your asses to the voting booth.
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In reply to Anti-taxxer • 9:58a, 7/15/24
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BenFiasco14 said:
Look - don't believe for a second this "we don't know the motive crap" or the hand waving that he was a registered Republican or perhaps even "conservative"!

If you are shooting at Donald Trump you are not conservative, a Republican, or a supporter of the right of any kind. Sorry. Not believing that crap for a second.

So, my uncle was a die-hard conservative: very active in the county party, served as a delegate to the rnc, all of that.

Until Trump entered the picture. Now he's a democrat. Theres a lot I could probably add to this, but to your point, this kid may have been "conservative" and hated Trump so much, he became a liberal.

Granted, my uncle is decades older than this kid. And I think, Ben, that you are right: if he's shooting at Trump, it really doesn't matter what his party affiliation is. He hates the guy and wants him dead. That's his motive.
there is another potential motive

he was a loser who was bullied constantly his adult life in high school

he wants to find "fame" or simply burn down the world

and kill himself and go out like so many of these school shooters
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How did he get to the building? Did he just walk up with a gun and start climbing? And no one stopped him?
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In reply to AggieUSMC • 10:04a, 7/15/24
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Where he went wrong was that he was going for a headshot and didn't aim center mass. He actually had a good bead on his head but Trump (through Devine providence, or dumb luck) turned his head at precisely the right time that the round only grazed his ear. If he had aimed center mass, he would have hit him easily and likely killed him or at least seriously maimed him. (It didn't appear Trump was wearing a vest).
Maybe he did aim CM, but missed and hit Trump's ear instead. No less probable of an addition to the narrative than all of the other items being attributed to incompetence.
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In reply to Barnyard96 • 10:06a, 7/15/24
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Barnyard96 said:
Security had holes due to incompetence/negligence
The shooter had never fired on a live target
He rushed his shot bc of Sheriff
Trump turned his head

This isnt that hard.

If he got that close due to PURE incompetence, then I agree with you. It's not that hard. But still mind blowing that he did get to that position so easily.
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