https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/06/17/joe-bidens-migrants-grab-white-collar-jobs-from-u-s-grads/

This has been going on for a long time.

I had it happen to me in 2000, I had no trouble getting a job but a friend of mine and I were interviewing for the same job and he got it with one reason being they could pay him the same salary and his work permit and it was less expensive than paying SSI and Medicare taxes for a native born Citizen

Which I thought was insane and incredibly unfair

H1Bs

The Great Replacement

lower cost - check
diversity points - check
afraid to rock the boat - check

They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

TheMasterplan said:

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They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

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Lol.

Fightin_Aggie said:

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TheMasterplan said:

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They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

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Lol.

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What's funny? He's right, at this point in time. Worse in some industries (and which foreign culture is doing the work) you're talking about, but this is the truth.

For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

TheMasterplan said:

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They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

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For one generation maybe...and only because they are coming from unlivable hellholes with raw sewage in the streets and people pooping in open fields and would suck D to live anywhere else. Their children may work very hard as well, or they may earn a useless degree...but eventualy their bloodline conforms to the culture.

No offense to anyone here, but India and China are sh** countries....I would become a robot who worked insane hours if that was my ticket out.

Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

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The economy isn't doing well.

Business input costs have increased dramatically over the last few years, and Biden and his merry band of marxists have put the brick on the gas pedal. Businesses are looking to save money where they can, so they're importing cheaper labor. It's almost like all this is by design.

Some people even vote for it.

TheMasterplan said:

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They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

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They also don't know S... - in general so... they kind of have to work harder.

But being wiling to live 4 men in a 2 bedroom apartment in California... that is something regular soft Americans aren't willing to do.

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Fightin_Aggie said:

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TheMasterplan said:

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They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

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Lol.

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What's funny? He's right, at this point in time. Worse in some industries (and which foreign culture is doing the work) you're talking about, but this is the truth.

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Yep - I've got a situation with a Desi senior leader who refuses to allow people to take time off. They should be lucky to have a job - from his perspective.

Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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Did you even read the article?! This has nothing to do with boomers retiring. It's been going on for years. High tech loves the H1Bs because of cost! This is about labor cost and now, actively changing the demographics of the country. Period.

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Yep - I've got a situation with a Desi senior leader who refuses to allow people to take time off. They should be lucky to have a job - from his perspective.

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Yup, see my "won't complain" post from earlier.

While that "leader" is very wrong, morally and ethically IMO, he is doing it and they are not pushing back sufficiently other than maybe leaving for another job.

I also recall H1B1 workers are unable to change jobs/companies. So basically chained to that employer unlike a citizen whom can find a better opportunity

kubiak03 said:

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I also recall H1B1 workers are unable to change jobs/companies.

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You're generally correct, but I think they may be able to change if someone else is will to sponsor it. I could easily be mistaken.

Winning jobs over US Citizen's what? Children? Pets?

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Lol.

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I love MBA logic: "I rate high pay because of my strategic decision making ability… but I'm going to cut costs by hiring cultural inferiors because those below me are interchangeable cogs… also, I don't know how to improve processes below me so lets crowd-source it from those cut-rate hires… wait - why aren't things magically improving?!"

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kubiak03 said:

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I also recall H1B1 workers are unable to change jobs/companies.

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You're generally correct, but I think they may be able to change if someone else is will to sponsor it. I could easily be mistaken.

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They can change employers but it's real hard. And the gaining employer has to spend about $10,000 in legal fees to assume their H-1B.

Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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What an absolute pile of horse crap. Do educated adults actually believe this crap, or just blindly regurgitate what your Marxist masters tell yo to believe?

The economy is garbage, and I know many, many recent college grads who are struggling to find a decent job. I know many college grads in their 20's working service industry jobs because they can't find anything in their field of study.

Immigration is only critical for the Marxist dimocrat party to take over.

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They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

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That's not true, at least not in engineering where most H1Bs are.

kubiak03 said:

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I also recall H1B1 workers are unable to change jobs/companies. So basically chained to that employer unlike a citizen whom can find a better opportunity

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They can but the new employer normally has to reimburse the full cost of the Visa and the go forward costs so it is harder to change jobs

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TheMasterplan said:

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They'll also work harder and be less soft than native US citizens - in general.

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That's not true, at least not in engineering where most H1Bs are.

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Agreed their work ethic is no different than any other engineering grad. Some work harder some don't.

Engineering school does weed out some of the bums foreign and domestic

The Indians in IT are crazy, buncha of Indian recruiters too, working with some now.

The USA is an economic free zone for globohomo corporations, not a nation.

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Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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Did you even read the article?! This has nothing to do with boomers retiring. It's been going on for years. High tech loves the H1Bs because of cost! This is about labor cost and now, actively changing the demographics of the country. Period.

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Because we can't find enough US born stem folks to fill the open jobs!

Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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All of the people waking across the border are not high end job seekers. They are an economic drain. None of them should be allowed to work here.

As long as this hurts whitey, the left are cool with it.

Their children are smoking all of the American children in school and taking up the best STEM spots in college. They heavily prioritize top tier education over Americans.

I'm an early millennial, I still fight that mindset that using your vacation time was frowned upon. Asking my boss for extended time off still gives me anxiety. It's certainly shift as the new workforce takes silent vacations and DGAF.

Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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Isn't this a market signal to raise wages?

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Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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Did you even read the article?! This has nothing to do with boomers retiring. It's been going on for years. High tech loves the H1Bs because of cost! This is about labor cost and now, actively changing the demographics of the country. Period.

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Because we can't find enough US born stem folks to fill the open jobs!

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Again isn't this a signal from the market to raise wages?

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Logos Stick said:

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Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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Did you even read the article?! This has nothing to do with boomers retiring. It's been going on for years. High tech loves the H1Bs because of cost! This is about labor cost and now, actively changing the demographics of the country. Period.

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Because we can't find enough US born stem folks to fill the open jobs!

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Again isn't this a signal from the market to raise wages?

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I mean...you can wage raises all you want but we don't have enough talent to go around.

Corporations are fighting over the same group of people...and the others...well...they just arent qualified.

Isnt this the definition of meritocracy?

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Logos Stick said:

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Gordo14 said:

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For the 1000th time, the native US labor force us shrinking because baby boomers are retiring. If the economy is doing well and needs to hire people, where should they hire from?

Legal immigration is CRITICAL for the continued growth of the US econimy. We do not want to be in a situation with more jobs than workers.

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Did you even read the article?! This has nothing to do with boomers retiring. It's been going on for years. High tech loves the H1Bs because of cost! This is about labor cost and now, actively changing the demographics of the country. Period.

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Because we can't find enough US born stem folks to fill the open jobs!

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Again isn't this a signal from the market to raise wages?

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No it isn't. STEM jobs are high-paying jobs. White kids are not going into STEM college programs and thus are not eligible for STEM jobs. This is the primary driver for foreign workers in STEM. The H1Bs and such are contributors but not the main issue. Generally its due to being mentally lazy IMO. Kids know they are going to have to study hard and work at getting a STEM degree and they don't want to put in the work.

I just hired an engineer last week. I didn't get any resumes from any generic Anglo type that met the job requirements. I got middle eastern, Hispanic, Pakistani, Indian, Asian, etc. and they were all foreign born or likely first generation. I don't have a lot of sympathy for millennials and gen Z whining about wages. They chose to take the easy route through college, if they even went to college. Now the good jobs are going to foreigners that did the work.