I mean, even with mega beef producers like excel and national it's still extremely easy to find organic, grass fed, or small farm grain fed beef even today. You don't have to buy everything from the HEB beef case.

Does this fit into the "govern me harder, daddy" box?

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Is there any commentary from Desantis on why he did this?

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It's in the article linked. He doesn't want globalists to force us to eat it.

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I know yall are talking about meat, but that's not what I'm focused on

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Or the guy standing behind DeSantis!

LOL!

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I love Coke zero sugar. I hated it when Coke Zero first came out.

I can't say I hate eating bugs because I've never tried it and I love a good T-Bone steak. But, I wasn't against the development of Coke Zero and I'm not against the development of a meat replacement.

Not only is this government limiting free choice, but he's also turning down possible new jobs. I have no idea if this is constitutional to the Florida constitution.

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It's not even a "meat replacement". It's just differently sourced meat.

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I love Coke zero sugar. I hated it when Coke Zero first came out.

I can't say I hate eating bugs because I've never tried it and I love a good T-Bone steak. But, I wasn't against the development of Coke Zero and I'm not against the development of a meat replacement.

Not only is this government limiting free choice, but he's also turning down possible new jobs. I have no idea if this is constitutional to the Florida constitution.

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It's not even a "meat replacement". It's just differently sourced meat.

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Just like Coke Zero. Nasty at first. An alternative to Diet Coke.

Can you imagine banning Coke Zero? it's just a product.

Now, if the government throws millions of tax dollars like they did for electric cars to make it feasible, then that's a different story. I would not be against the development, only the government paying for the development.

Ron XiSantis

Someone should look back on this board to see if any posters cool with this fake meat ban were similarly OK with Bloomberg's sugar and transfat ban

Don't like this move, but also, it's like banning pink cars... no one wants them anyways.

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I know yall are talking about meat, but that's not what I'm focused on

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Yeah, he must work out.

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Ah ok, you are just a disgruntled grandpa who probably worked for a company that was bought out. Now it's "authoritarianism is the only way!!!"

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Yeah you used to play this stupid card back in the day. Like i said if they want to make bug paste and label it and market it as such go for it. Eat it to your libertarian desire.

They just better label it as such. But they wont because these oligopolies are above the law.

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This has nothing to do with bug paste, which freaks should be free to eat if they want. If you want to require proper labeling of all meats, even lab grown fine. Just stop telling other people what they can and can't buy for food because of your wacky conspiracy theories.

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Oh quote a conspiracy theory I've levied or where I told people what they could eat.. I said I dont trust oligopolies and crony capitalism to honesty label and market. You are either dishonest or you cant keep posters straight. Either way piss off.

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Ah ok, you are just a disgruntled grandpa who probably worked for a company that was bought out. Now it's "authoritarianism is the only way!!!"

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Yeah you used to play this stupid card back in the day. Like i said if they want to make bug paste and label it and market it as such go for it. Eat it to your libertarian desire.

They just better label it as such. But they wont because these oligopolies are above the law.

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This has nothing to do with bug paste, which freaks should be free to eat if they want. If you want to require proper labeling of all meats, even lab grown fine. Just stop telling other people what they can and can't buy for food because of your wacky conspiracy theories.

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Oh quote a conspiracy theory I've levied or where I told people what they could eat.. I said I dont trust oligopolies and crony capitalism to honesty label and market. You are either dishonest or you cant keep posters straight. Either way piss off.

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I don't trust them either and there absolutely should be labeling laws for it. But I think in your heart of hearts you know it's wrong to just outright ban it.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4638590-desantis-signs-bill-banning-lab-grown-meat/

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill banning lab-grown meat in his state Wednesday, in what he described as an effort to "save our beef."

"Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite's plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals," DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. "Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef."

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DeSantis just get's dumber and dumber in an effort to appease the paranoid "globalists are going to make us eat insects and fake meat" weirdos.

Who will be our Make Free Markets Free Again candidate?

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skipping five pages to just say I don't think this thread went the way you thought it would

Great DeSantis

F the globalists

I aint eating bugs or lab grown poison

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You think the government should decide what you can and cannot eat?

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It does already.

Also, you are free to go out and catch whatever bugs you want and mash them up in a patty to put on your burger, they can't stop you from doing that.

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I know yall are talking about meat, but that's not what I'm focused on

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I think you and I are still talking about meat...

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Someone should look back on this board to see if any posters cool with this fake meat ban were similarly OK with Bloomberg's sugar and transfat ban

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Don't care.

Beef is real fuel for men. Totally cool with being hypocritical over it.

And by the way, while I think it's stupid, I don't give a sh** what blue city mayors do to their constituencies.

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You think the government should decide what you can and cannot eat?

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It does already.

Also, you are free to go out and catch whatever bugs you want and mash them up in a patty to put on your burger, they can't stop you from doing that.

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What if I wanted to make it and sell it at the local farmer's market? And what if someone wanted to buy it and we both knew exactly what it was?

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Ah ok, you are just a disgruntled grandpa who probably worked for a company that was bought out. Now it's "authoritarianism is the only way!!!"

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Yeah you used to play this stupid card back in the day. Like i said if they want to make bug paste and label it and market it as such go for it. Eat it to your libertarian desire.

They just better label it as such. But they wont because these oligopolies are above the law.

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This has nothing to do with bug paste, which freaks should be free to eat if they want. If you want to require proper labeling of all meats, even lab grown fine. Just stop telling other people what they can and can't buy for food because of your wacky conspiracy theories.

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Oh quote a conspiracy theory I've levied or where I told people what they could eat.. I said I dont trust oligopolies and crony capitalism to honesty label and market. You are either dishonest or you cant keep posters straight. Either way piss off.

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I don't trust them either and there absolutely should be labeling laws for it. But I think in your heart of hearts you know it's wrong to just outright ban it.

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Even a decade ago I'd be dead set against banning it because the market then could police itself. Post Covid it cant. The business environment itself has radically changed and that is MY point.

Some dip wad thinks thats a conspiracy theory. These days given this system of so few to "big to fail" competitors and suppliers who knows.

I admit it. I'm not sure.

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I disagree. I think it went exactly how he thought it would. He knows most of the posters here are now big government authoritarians just like you'd find on liberal reddit.

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Ah ok, you are just a disgruntled grandpa who probably worked for a company that was bought out. Now it's "authoritarianism is the only way!!!"

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Yeah you used to play this stupid card back in the day. Like i said if they want to make bug paste and label it and market it as such go for it. Eat it to your libertarian desire.

They just better label it as such. But they wont because these oligopolies are above the law.

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This has nothing to do with bug paste, which freaks should be free to eat if they want. If you want to require proper labeling of all meats, even lab grown fine. Just stop telling other people what they can and can't buy for food because of your wacky conspiracy theories.

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Oh quote a conspiracy theory I've levied or where I told people what they could eat.. I said I dont trust oligopolies and crony capitalism to honesty label and market. You are either dishonest or you cant keep posters straight. Either way piss off.

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I don't trust them either and there absolutely should be labeling laws for it. But I think in your heart of hearts you know it's wrong to just outright ban it.

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Even a decade ago I'd be dead set against banning it because the market then could police itself. Post Covid it cant. The business environment itself has radically changed and that is MY point.

Some dip wad thinks thats a conspiracy theory. These days given this system of so few to "big to fail" competitors and suppliers who knows.

I admit it. I'm not sure.

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I'll break it down like I do when liberals propose bans on private gun sales.


If I make a lab grown meat product and want to sell it at a local farmer's market and someone else wants to buy it and is fully aware of the risks and what it is, should they be allowed to purchase it?

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If youre making an argument about how government shouldnt be subsidizing this research and using crony tools to get this to market, I agree. If Big Burger thinks this research can improve margins by 8% and wants to fund it and take it to market, Ron Desantis shouldnt be making laws that stops them from even trying.

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Okay great an actual conversation !

Im concerned with our evolution from a mostly true capitalistic system to one where gov and a few oligopolies or even monopolies run critical industry with food being such. In such a system there is limited to no oversight. A true capitalistic system can usually vet itself as information flies all over the place and consumers have many choices.

Here a few people control information flow given its more closed system as are the market and consumer options. I just see the potential for abuses. Both financial and political.

As far as DeSantis's ruling, I dont like it but I understand it. This new post covid reality sucks on so many levels

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Here is the problem. What you are calling crony capitalism (big companies buying up others and controlling such large portions of the market) is a function of consumers getting choices.

Consumers like cheap, they like convenient, and they like dependability of access. Hate the Amazons and other goliaths all you want, but consumers have always had the choice to not buy from them. We don't get cheap, convenient, dependability of access as much with the smaller guys. So we don't want it.

Your beef is with consumers, and you seem to want to limit their choices so they don't make the choices you don't want them to make.

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ttu_85 said:

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Texaggie7nine said:

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Ah ok, you are just a disgruntled grandpa who probably worked for a company that was bought out. Now it's "authoritarianism is the only way!!!"

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Yeah you used to play this stupid card back in the day. Like i said if they want to make bug paste and label it and market it as such go for it. Eat it to your libertarian desire.

They just better label it as such. But they wont because these oligopolies are above the law.

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This has nothing to do with bug paste, which freaks should be free to eat if they want. If you want to require proper labeling of all meats, even lab grown fine. Just stop telling other people what they can and can't buy for food because of your wacky conspiracy theories.

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Oh quote a conspiracy theory I've levied or where I told people what they could eat.. I said I dont trust oligopolies and crony capitalism to honesty label and market. You are either dishonest or you cant keep posters straight. Either way piss off.

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I don't trust them either and there absolutely should be labeling laws for it. But I think in your heart of hearts you know it's wrong to just outright ban it.

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Even a decade ago I'd be dead set against banning it because the market then could police itself. Post Covid it cant. The business environment itself has radically changed and that is MY point.

Some dip wad thinks thats a conspiracy theory. These days given this system of so few to "big to fail" competitors and suppliers who knows.

I admit it. I'm not sure.

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I'll break it down like I do when liberals propose bans on private gun sales.


If I make a lab grown meat product and want to sell it at a local farmer's market and someone else wants to buy it and is fully aware of the risks and what it is, should they be allowed to purchase it?

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They should, but also that kind of thing is already very regulated. You can't make and sell food without licenses and inspections. Raw milk is outlawed pretty much everywhere and it is as natural as fresh fruit.

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If youre making an argument about how government shouldnt be subsidizing this research and using crony tools to get this to market, I agree. If Big Burger thinks this research can improve margins by 8% and wants to fund it and take it to market, Ron Desantis shouldnt be making laws that stops them from even trying.

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Okay great an actual conversation !

Im concerned with our evolution from a mostly true capitalistic system to one where gov and a few oligopolies or even monopolies run critical industry with food being such. In such a system there is limited to no oversight. A true capitalistic system can usually vet itself as information flies all over the place and consumers have many choices.

Here a few people control information flow given its more closed system as are the market and consumer options. I just see the potential for abuses. Both financial and political.

As far as DeSantis's ruling, I dont like it but I understand it. This new post covid reality sucks on so many levels

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Here is the problem. What you are calling crony capitalism (big companies buying up others and controlling such large portions of the market) is a function of consumers getting choices.

Consumers like cheap, they like convenient, and they like dependability of access. Hate the Amazons and other goliaths all you want, but consumers have always had the choice to not buy from them. We don't get cheap, convenient, dependability of access as much with the smaller guys. So we don't want it.

Your beef is with consumers, and you seem to want to limit their choices so they don't make the choices you don't want them to make.

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I was very clear on my first post. "You want bug paste go for it. Just label it as such." How in F* is that limiting your choices. Can you even read

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States have every right to pass these kind of laws.

And pot laws. Any laws not prohibited by the constitution.

Very good Desantis. Do everything possible to pass as many laws to make liberals uncomfortable to make them leave.

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Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Just like California with EV mandates. Or New York with abortion on demand. Wouldn't you agree?

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I believe we both, can and should. I believe lab grown meat is creepy, unnatural, and will be bad for you.



Never correct an enemy when they are making a mistake.

I hope they do pass EV mandates because its stupid, and it will make more conservatives. While I don't want liberals to kill all their children, because it is horrific, it is a self defeating ideology. We will outbreed them, and then when we have control we will ban abortion everywhere, because we have a fundamental right to life.

If the country gets more polarized then the liberal states will turn to pot, and the conservative ones will be better. Then people will learn. I don't want to live with liberals. I want them to leave my state. That will give us more ability to unilaterally put into place moral conservate laws. I'm calling their bluff. Leave. We will see which system is better. I'm done with moderation. It's winning time.

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Ah ok, you are just a disgruntled grandpa who probably worked for a company that was bought out. Now it's "authoritarianism is the only way!!!"

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Yeah you used to play this stupid card back in the day. Like i said if they want to make bug paste and label it and market it as such go for it. Eat it to your libertarian desire.

They just better label it as such. But they wont because these oligopolies are above the law.

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This has nothing to do with bug paste, which freaks should be free to eat if they want. If you want to require proper labeling of all meats, even lab grown fine. Just stop telling other people what they can and can't buy for food because of your wacky conspiracy theories.

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Oh quote a conspiracy theory I've levied or where I told people what they could eat.. I said I dont trust oligopolies and crony capitalism to honesty label and market. You are either dishonest or you cant keep posters straight. Either way piss off.

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I don't trust them either and there absolutely should be labeling laws for it. But I think in your heart of hearts you know it's wrong to just outright ban it.

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Even a decade ago I'd be dead set against banning it because the market then could police itself. Post Covid it cant. The business environment itself has radically changed and that is MY point.

Some dip wad thinks thats a conspiracy theory. These days given this system of so few to "big to fail" competitors and suppliers who knows.

I admit it. I'm not sure.

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I'll break it down like I do when liberals propose bans on private gun sales.


If I make a lab grown meat product and want to sell it at a local farmer's market and someone else wants to buy it and is fully aware of the risks and what it is, should they be allowed to purchase it?

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They should, but also that kind of thing is already very regulated. You can't make and sell food without licenses and inspections. Raw milk is outlawed pretty much everywhere and it is as natural as fresh fruit.

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Desantis proposed food safety regulations on lab grown meat would not be a problem at all. But that's not what he did.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4638590-desantis-signs-bill-banning-lab-grown-meat/

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) signed a bill banning lab-grown meat in his state Wednesday, in what he described as an effort to "save our beef."

"Today, Florida is fighting back against the global elite's plan to force the world to eat meat grown in a petri dish or bugs to achieve their authoritarian goals," DeSantis said in a press release Wednesday. "Our administration will continue to focus on investing in our local farmers and ranchers, and we will save our beef."

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DeSantis just get's dumber and dumber in an effort to appease the paranoid "globalists are going to make us eat insects and fake meat" weirdos.

Who will be our Make Free Markets Free Again candidate?

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Maybe he has a problem calling it "meat".

You want to eat bug paste knock yourself out. Just dont call it or market it as meat.

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Reposted for your convience

And you know perfectly well we are in a economic/culture war. DeSantis is throwing down roadblocks to slow what we all realistically know is coming. You can say things like "if you don't want it just don't buy it". But we both know damn good and well that global marxists will play the long game. The goal is to hurt red states and counties. The cripple rural America. They're already well underway in Europe. Leftists have also just about taken over corporate America. They will push, pressure, and intimidate companies like HEB, to push this on their consumers. Then the guilt trip about how normal beef products are destroying the planet. And the bug/lab beef will be cheaper.

We all know where this is going. What Ron does so well is get out in front of sh**. That's what he's doing here. And apparently Floridians seem to really like the way he is doing things so go Ron go.

Seems like you and I are on the same page. Label it, regulate it for safety, but don't ban it outright.

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And you know perfectly well we are in a economic/culture war. DeSantis is throwing down roadblocks to slow what we all realistically know is coming. You can say things like "if you don't want it just don't buy it". But we both know damn good and well that global marxists will play the long game. The goal is to hurt red states and counties. The cripple rural America. They're already well underway in Europe. Leftists have also just about taken over corporate America. They will push, pressure, and intimidate companies like HEB, to push this on their consumers. Then the guilt trip about how normal beef products are destroying the planet. And the bug/lab beef will be cheaper.

We all know where this is going. What Ron does so well is get out in front of sh**. That's what he's doing here. And apparently Floridians seem to really like the way he is doing things so go Ron go.

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This goes far beyond getting out in front of something. It's a complete ban on something and limited consumer choice. There's a ton of things he could have, and should have done to get in front of this.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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https://instagr.am/p/C6bhaGXOKcN

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While there is merit to some of the things he does, and there is reason to fight back against the woke agendas being pushed out of academia into the busines world via the Blackrocks and what have you, his marketing and way he goes about it just sounds so much like a precursor to Idiocracy.


"Stop them woke banks from pushing their woke agendas!" is like a step away from "Reading is for f$gs!"

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Ah ok, you are just a disgruntled grandpa who probably worked for a company that was bought out. Now it's "authoritarianism is the only way!!!"

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Yeah you used to play this stupid card back in the day. Like i said if they want to make bug paste and label it and market it as such go for it. Eat it to your libertarian desire.

They just better label it as such. But they wont because these oligopolies are above the law.

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This has nothing to do with bug paste, which freaks should be free to eat if they want. If you want to require proper labeling of all meats, even lab grown fine. Just stop telling other people what they can and can't buy for food because of your wacky conspiracy theories.

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Oh quote a conspiracy theory I've levied or where I told people what they could eat.. I said I dont trust oligopolies and crony capitalism to honesty label and market. You are either dishonest or you cant keep posters straight. Either way piss off.

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I don't trust them either and there absolutely should be labeling laws for it. But I think in your heart of hearts you know it's wrong to just outright ban it.

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Even a decade ago I'd be dead set against banning it because the market then could police itself. Post Covid it cant. The business environment itself has radically changed and that is MY point.

Some dip wad thinks thats a conspiracy theory. These days given this system of so few to "big to fail" competitors and suppliers who knows.

I admit it. I'm not sure.

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I'll break it down like I do when liberals propose bans on private gun sales.


If I make a lab grown meat product and want to sell it at a local farmer's market and someone else wants to buy it and is fully aware of the risks and what it is, should they be allowed to purchase it?

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Something like the following is probably going to happen.

JBS, Cargill, etc. are likely the ones funding these "startups" to produce labmeat. Said corporations will continue to absorb mom and pop farms and continue to buy off local / state politicians to make sure anybody they don't buy out is unable to operate long term. Then one day, a "bird flu" or "mad cow disease" will pop up requiring all our livestock to be culled and wouldn't yah know it? We have labmeat to save the day. Then we will never go back to eating actual meat.

There is no free market.

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Seems like you and I are on the same page. Label it, regulate it for safety, but don't ban it outright.

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I have doubts of successful regulation in this business environment. Its always best if a market is big enough to self regulate without gov. But yes if people want this and if its proven safe. Let the market decide.-- if the choice to do so is there.

Agreed. This might be one of the few things I disagree with him on, but again, I think it's a lot of noise and almost no substance. Fake meat is dying in the market because no one wants it. The other possibility is that this is just heading environmentalist requirements off at the pass, if you will. Think renewable energy... If the government started requiring that at least 10% of meat being sold had to be lab grown, this is what would help keep that from happening on a national level.

And to be specific, some of things below would have been better for DeSantis to do...


Ban the use of lab grown meat in public schools so they aren't fed to children

Require the labeling of lab grown meats sold in stores

Subject all lab grown meat to state agency testing for safety

A complete transparent requirement of how it is made, chemical composition, and procedures available for consumers to easily see

A requirement for any restaurant using lab grown meat to clearly indicate it on menus and advertisements



Would those be sensible and effective while still allowing consumer choice?

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Seems like you and I are on the same page. Label it, regulate it for safety, but don't ban it outright.

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Ban it from being used in restaurants in place of real meat, and from being hidden in products. Make them put a nasty bug on the label/menu with a giant warning.

Or just ban it outright. Either way... we should aggressively demonize it.

The things you run interference for baffle me.