IMF: Something has to give on US debt

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techno-ag
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https://thehill.com/business/4597395-something-will-have-to-give-imf-sounds-alarm-on-us-debt/

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The International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned Tuesday that America's recent economic performance is partially the result of the country's unsustainable fiscal practices, creating risks for the global economy.

"The exceptional recent performance of the United States is certainly impressive and a major driver of global growth, but it reflects strong demand factors as well, including a fiscal stance that is out of line with long-term fiscal sustainability," the IMF wrote in its latest World Economic Outlook.
We've talked about cracks in the wall before but it seems now the IMF is calling out our endless spending.

This may mean nothing. Or, everything.
Trump will fix it.
CDUB98
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If the socialists at the IMF are calling you out, you know you done messed up.
Aggie95
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Seems pretty ironic coming from the IMF. They wouldn't know fiscal responsibilty if it hit them in the face. They also pressure us into spending money on really dumb *****
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I have it on good authority that we should not worry about inflation, and that it even is a good thing
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Señor Chang
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DrEvazanPhD said:

I have it on good authority that we should not worry about inflation, and that it even is a good thing
Someone should let the IMF know that it's just transitory.
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"The exceptional recent performance of the United States is certainly impressive and a major driver of global growth, but it reflects strong demand factors as well, including a fiscal stance that is out of line with long-term fiscal sustainability," the IMF wrote in its latest World Economic Outlook.
That's a nice way of saying, 'we realize you're spending to prop up the economy, and it looks good now, but will be disastrous soon'.

Everyone knows it. Those in charge either dont care, or are doing it on purpose.

Problem is, neither Trump nor Biden are fiscally conservative. We've never needed fiscal austerity more, and we've got two big spenders running for POTUS.
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Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.
John Armfield
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not gona happen US economy blows up so does the rest of the world. They have been saying this for years now.
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John Armfield said:

not gona happen US economy blows up so does the rest of the world. They have been saying this for years now.


Or it's the path to a world wide currency
Logos Stick
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Nothing will happen until we hit catastrophe.

Even conservatives on this sight are against shutting down the government, which is the only way to get spending reduced.

As Clayton would say, enjoy it...
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AgGrad99 said:


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"The exceptional recent performance of the United States is certainly impressive and a major driver of global growth, but it reflects strong demand factors as well, including a fiscal stance that is out of line with long-term fiscal sustainability," the IMF wrote in its latest World Economic Outlook.
That's a nice way of saying, 'we realize you're spending to prop up the economy, and it looks good now, but will be disastrous soon'.

Everyone knows it. Those in charge either dont care, or are doing it on purpose.

Problem is, neither Trump nor Biden are fiscally conservative. We've never needed fiscal austerity more, and we've got two big spenders running for POTUS.


Of course. $2 trillion deficits make the GDP look good, but it's an illusion. Also, government spending is the worst kind of spending because it's inefficient and not market driven.
CDUB98
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Shutting down gov't spending immediately would absolutely cause an economic catastrophe. It would be instant recession, if not depression, to remove that much of the GDP instantly.

It took decades for this mess to build, it will take decades to get out. Smart policy is what is needed, but smarts is exactly what gov't lacks.
Logos Stick
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CDUB98 said:

Shutting down gov't spending immediately would absolutely cause an economic catastrophe. It would be instant recession, if not depression, to remove that much of the GDP instantly.

It took decades for this mess to build, it will take decades to get out. Smart policy is what is needed, but smarts is exactly what gov't lacks.


A government shut down to force spending cuts is not shutting down government spending.

The Rs had locked the Dems into some reasonable spending reductions that would have started on April 1, but Johnson caved to the Dems. Most of the board supported it. Quite frankly, I don't care anymore. If my side of the aisle is not willing to sacrifice, then let it burn.
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Smart policy is what is needed

bobbranco
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Greece 2.0 we are.
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The IMF has always counted on the US to fund it's own fiscal malfeasance. If we do the same the money engine seizes up.
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CDUB98 said:

If the socialists at the IMF are calling you out, you know you done messed up.


Getting out ahead of what's to come. The World Bank and IMF work for and at the direction of the Fed.
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Old May Banker said:

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Smart policy is what is needed




Aka conservatism.
Flavius Agximus
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The deficit ballooned to 2 trillion during Covid and has stayed there ever since for no discernible reason other than payoffs and handouts. What is all that extra money being spent on and why does it need to be spent? If it didn't need to be spent in 2019-2020 pre Covid there's no justification now, 4 years later. How is this sustainable?!!
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Ukraine..Israel..Iran
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pfo said:

Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Most of this makes sense but the idea that BRICS nations are buying gold to supplant the dollar with an asset based currency is absurd. None of those nations are even remotely fiscally responsible now so why on earth would they implement a new currency that's backed by gold? The notion is ridiculous.

If the dollar collapses it all collapses at which point gold and stocks and dollars are all worthless. Guns, ammo, food and a reliable water source is what's going to matter. There isn't a scenario where the dollar collapses and chaos isn't the result. Wealth preservation isn't going to matter. Food and physical security is what we'll all be worried about.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
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Aggie95 said:

Seems pretty ironic coming from the IMF. They wouldn't know fiscal responsibilty if it hit them in the face. They also pressure us into spending money on really dumb *****
But they do recognize that Joe Biden is a kleptocrat.
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When things finally melt down we will double down on more monetization , command control and socialism.
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LOYAL AG said:

pfo said:

Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Most of this makes sense but the idea that BRICS nations are buying gold to supplant the dollar with an asset based currency is absurd. None of those nations are even remotely fiscally responsible now so why on earth would they implement a new currency that's backed by gold? The notion is ridiculous.

If the dollar collapses it all collapses at which point gold and stocks and dollars are all worthless. Guns, ammo, food and a reliable water source is what's going to matter. There isn't a scenario where the dollar collapses and chaos isn't the result. Wealth preservation isn't going to matter. Food and physical security is what we'll all be worried about.
Had a story on here last week about Zimbabwe converting to the gold standard. They've been stockpiling gold the last 18 months.
Trump will fix it.
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bobbranco said:

Greece 2.0 we are.


Greece collapsed....now they have 5.9% increase in gdp (2022). https://economic-research.bnpparibas.com/html/en-US/Greece-recovery-continues-2/1/2024,49290#:~:text=Indeed%2C%20the%20country%20has%20weathered,for%20the%20Eurozone%20(3.0%25).

I doubt we would recover as fast because nobody is bailing us out.
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LOYAL AG said:

pfo said:

Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Most of this makes sense but the idea that BRICS nations are buying gold to supplant the dollar with an asset based currency is absurd. None of those nations are even remotely fiscally responsible now so why on earth would they implement a new currency that's backed by gold? The notion is ridiculous.

If the dollar collapses it all collapses at which point gold and stocks and dollars are all worthless. Guns, ammo, food and a reliable water source is what's going to matter. There isn't a scenario where the dollar collapses and chaos isn't the result. Wealth preservation isn't going to matter. Food and physical security is what we'll all be worried about.
Why would gold be worthless? It's the longest historical store of value that has been used as a currency historically (land being the more historical store of value - but not used as currency). If the point you are trying to make is that people wont be able to afford buying it with useless US$, I can get on board with that. But gold will continue to have value whether the dollar is a thing or not.
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DrEvazanPhD said:

I have it on good authority that we should not worry about inflation, and that it even is a good thing


Can you imagine if a miracle happened and prices actually went back down to 2019/2020 levels? That poster would spend hundreds of dollars on various VPN accounts to support all the socks to start threads about being vindicated.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

LOYAL AG said:

pfo said:

Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Most of this makes sense but the idea that BRICS nations are buying gold to supplant the dollar with an asset based currency is absurd. None of those nations are even remotely fiscally responsible now so why on earth would they implement a new currency that's backed by gold? The notion is ridiculous.

If the dollar collapses it all collapses at which point gold and stocks and dollars are all worthless. Guns, ammo, food and a reliable water source is what's going to matter. There isn't a scenario where the dollar collapses and chaos isn't the result. Wealth preservation isn't going to matter. Food and physical security is what we'll all be worried about.
Why would gold be worthless? It's the longest historical store of value that has been used as a currency historically (land being the more historical store of value - but not used as currency). If the point you are trying to make is that people wont be able to afford buying it with useless US$, I can get on board with that. But gold will continue to have value whether the dollar is a thing or not.


My point is that currency is going to be meaningless for a decent period of time. This isn't going to be a smooth transition to anything we think of as currency. The collapse of the only relevant currency in the world is going to result in a dysfunctional economy. The dollar cannot be replaced by any other currency in existence today. This is much closer to Mad Max than to a world where even gold would matter. Lead will matter more than gold. Yes gold will matter on the other side of the collapse but are you going to live long enough to see that day?
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
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In practice, our national debt is just a number as long as the dollar remains the global reserve currency. The reason other nations economies can collapse in part or in whole on the basis of debt is because everyone else can just stop caring out their money. The world can't stop caring about the dollar because they go down with us and even harder if they do.

Basically national debt only does you in when your debt rises and impacts your economy exponentially more than everyone else in the world. That can't happen when your money is the global reserve currency, as it has a relative balancing impact globally. As our inflation goes up, EVERYONE's inflation goes up. When Greece's inflation goes up, Greece can't buy anything with their money anymore.

The number that IS relevant is that portion of our debt that is owed to other nations, and in particular those we are not allies with. That is where you can have someone who wishes your nation harm try to **** you. But they can't do it without ****ing themselves somewhat to.
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CDUB98 said:

Shutting down gov't spending immediately would absolutely cause an economic catastrophe. It would be instant recession, if not depression, to remove that much of the GDP instantly.
There is historical evidence after WW2 that disproves this. Understandably it's not an apples to apples comparison.
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techno-ag said:

LOYAL AG said:

pfo said:

Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Most of this makes sense but the idea that BRICS nations are buying gold to supplant the dollar with an asset based currency is absurd. None of those nations are even remotely fiscally responsible now so why on earth would they implement a new currency that's backed by gold? The notion is ridiculous.

If the dollar collapses it all collapses at which point gold and stocks and dollars are all worthless. Guns, ammo, food and a reliable water source is what's going to matter. There isn't a scenario where the dollar collapses and chaos isn't the result. Wealth preservation isn't going to matter. Food and physical security is what we'll all be worried about.
Had a story on here last week about Zimbabwe converting to the gold standard. They've been stockpiling gold the last 18 months.


Multiple thoughts:
1. Zimbabwe has already gone through hyperinflation. The BRICS nations haven't yet. I'd argue you have to see that pain before you're willing to do what's necessary to fix it.
2. Zimbabwe and its currency are pretty much irrelevant on the world stage.

I think people believe we're going to see the dollar replaced with a gold back currency called The BRIC and the world is going to keep humming along as if all is well while the U.S., the worlds largest consumer base, largest economy by half, largest producer of energy and largest producer of food, dies on the vine but that simply isn't happening. The world can't function without our consumer demand or our currency and global trade ends in a flurry of piracy without our Navy. The entire planet relies on a stable dollar to function which is the root of the IMF's comments here.

As to the idea that The BRIC COULD replace the dollar or that those nations want to operate on the gold standard no, they don't. China prints at 2x or more the rate we do. The Chinese credit bubble dwarfs ours. The CCP will NEVER implement the discipline necessary to adopt an asset backed currency.

Please don't underestimate the end of the dollar as global reserve. It's going to be catastrophic. The world is riding our coattails and nobody else has coattails to ride. This isn't going to go well.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
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LOYAL AG said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

LOYAL AG said:

pfo said:

Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Most of this makes sense but the idea that BRICS nations are buying gold to supplant the dollar with an asset based currency is absurd. None of those nations are even remotely fiscally responsible now so why on earth would they implement a new currency that's backed by gold? The notion is ridiculous.

If the dollar collapses it all collapses at which point gold and stocks and dollars are all worthless. Guns, ammo, food and a reliable water source is what's going to matter. There isn't a scenario where the dollar collapses and chaos isn't the result. Wealth preservation isn't going to matter. Food and physical security is what we'll all be worried about.
Why would gold be worthless? It's the longest historical store of value that has been used as a currency historically (land being the more historical store of value - but not used as currency). If the point you are trying to make is that people wont be able to afford buying it with useless US$, I can get on board with that. But gold will continue to have value whether the dollar is a thing or not.


My point is that currency is going to be meaningless for a decent period of time. This isn't going to be a smooth transition to anything we think of as currency. The collapse of the only relevant currency in the world is going to result in a dysfunctional economy. The dollar cannot be replaced by any other currency in existence today. This is much closer to Mad Max than to a world where even gold would matter. Lead will matter more than gold. Yes gold will matter on the other side of the collapse but are you going to live long enough to see that day?
I don't disagree about the painfulness. But Gold won't just stop being valuable. It will hold it's value like it always has. People might not have access to it, and it might not be easily storeable, protectable, and useable, but it wont be any less valuable. If you think it will, you will need to explain why it didn;t lose it's value when Rome collapsed.
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waitwhat? said:

DrEvazanPhD said:

I have it on good authority that we should not worry about inflation, and that it even is a good thing


Can you imagine if a miracle happened and prices actually went back down to 2019/2020 levels? That poster would spend hundreds of dollars on various VPN accounts to support all the socks to start threads about being vindicated.
Prices likely will go back to those levels, and likely lower. But it won't be because inflation was transitory. I will be because of deflation, which is far more punishing and a product of long-term Keynesian deficit borrowed growth. But unlike previous crashes, we're on the precipice of a long term, slow burn deterioration.
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LOYAL AG said:

techno-ag said:

LOYAL AG said:

pfo said:

Washington DC has spent, borrowed and printed America into a very dangerous fiscal situation. No currency has survived a 120% debt to GDP without a major debasement. Add in the fact America has used the SWIFT System to punish our adversaries and now we have the BRICs central banks on an 18 month gold buying spree to back their currencies to replace the dollar as the world's reserve currency. The dollar is facing a historic collapse and the jack wagons in Congress aren't even talking about reducing spending and ending their economic malfeasance. The loss of world's reserve currency status means inflation in America will go way up!

America has enjoyed 40 years of declining interest rates so the debt service didn't balloon as congress kept adding debt. So now cheap debt is getting rolled over at higher interest rates therefore debt service is going up. Where is that money coming from to pay for that? Borrowing and printing! The dollar is doomed and the people running this country are doing it on purpose under the partial illusion of incompetence.

Own gold, bitcoin, real estate, oil and gas minerals, possibly stocks in the strongest companies and other things of real value that will maintain value as the dollar becomes more and more worthless.

Maybe the gov will use another trick to keep the illusion of prosperity going a little longer. Like putting the debt on the Fed's balance sheet and stopping paying interest. Maybe something else. But at some point, the chickens are coming home to roost.


Most of this makes sense but the idea that BRICS nations are buying gold to supplant the dollar with an asset based currency is absurd. None of those nations are even remotely fiscally responsible now so why on earth would they implement a new currency that's backed by gold? The notion is ridiculous.

If the dollar collapses it all collapses at which point gold and stocks and dollars are all worthless. Guns, ammo, food and a reliable water source is what's going to matter. There isn't a scenario where the dollar collapses and chaos isn't the result. Wealth preservation isn't going to matter. Food and physical security is what we'll all be worried about.
Had a story on here last week about Zimbabwe converting to the gold standard. They've been stockpiling gold the last 18 months.


Multiple thoughts:
1. Zimbabwe has already gone through hyperinflation. The BRICS nations haven't yet. I'd argue you have to see that pain before you're willing to do what's necessary to fix it.
2. Zimbabwe and its currency are pretty much irrelevant on the world stage.

I think people believe we're going to see the dollar replaced with a gold back currency called The BRIC and the world is going to keep humming along as if all is well while the U.S., the worlds largest consumer base, largest economy by half, largest producer of energy and largest producer of food, dies on the vine but that simply isn't happening. The world can't function without our consumer demand or our currency and global trade ends in a flurry of piracy without our Navy. The entire planet relies on a stable dollar to function which is the root of the IMF's comments here.

As to the idea that The BRIC COULD replace the dollar or that those nations want to operate on the gold standard no, they don't. China prints at 2x or more the rate we do. The Chinese credit bubble dwarfs ours. The CCP will NEVER implement the discipline necessary to adopt an asset backed currency.

Please don't underestimate the end of the dollar as global reserve. It's going to be catastrophic. The world is riding our coattails and nobody else has coattails to ride. This isn't going to go well.


But some people seem to believe that our status as the global reserve currency can just end on the basis of our national debt alone. Like one day we just hit some magical number and poof, we stop being the global currency.

That's not how it works. The fact that nobody else has the coattails to ride is precisely what will preserve the dollar.
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