Rules for thee. . . .

SwigAg11 said:

---

Troy91 said:

---

This is really turning into a circus today. Multiple violations by the prosecution of court orders re: closing statements.

---

Do those matter for appeal, or not really since closing arguments are not evidence?

---

Rules only apply to the defense in this trial.

FINALLY!!!

Justice Merchan: Tomorrow I'll give you my instructions, one hour, and you'll receive the case. We'll start at 10.
Stories https://t.co/nU0Q0PTvQB
w/ documents: https://t.co/mmos6LoVNy
Support: https://t.co/PJ2bKhFuzj
Venmo: [at] Matthew-Lee-675

— Inner City Press (@innercitypress) May 29, 2024

Steinglass:

"Donald Trump can't shoot someone on Fifth Ave. in broad daylight and get away with it."

Objection. Sustained.

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) May 28, 2024

He can't have really made the old shooting joke, right? That is impermissible on so many levels which is why it is a joke.

Troy91 said:

---

He can't have really made the old shooting joke, right? That is impermissible on so many levels which is why it is a joke.

---

Doesn't matter, jury heard it and probably laughed to themselves.

yes. Improper argument during closing is a common appellate point.

I call dibs on leftovers

aggiehawg said:

---

Sorry, folks. I needed to eat and start my sauce for a ten pound lasagna for tomorrow. So I fell way behind.

They are finally done? Thank you Lord!

---

What can we bring?

aggiehawg said:

---

Sorry, folks. I needed to eat and start my sauce for a ten pound lasagna for tomorrow. So I fell way behind.

They are finally done? Thank you Lord!

---

Did you make enough for all of us?

aggiehawg said:

---

Sorry, folks. I needed to eat and start my sauce for a ten pound lasagna for tomorrow. So I fell way behind.

They are finally done? Thank you Lord!

---

shame. You almost had enough time for a proper brisket.

Im Gipper said:

---

Steinglass:

"Donald Trump can't shoot someone on Fifth Ave. in broad daylight and get away with it."

Objection. Sustained.

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) May 28, 2024

---

I was actually wondering if the defense might use this statement as to why he wasn't worried about Stormy affecting the campaign. Basically, it shows that Trump felt like his supporters don't care what he does. If he could shoot someone and they don't care, he could certainly have sex with someone and they won't care.

I do have a life outside of forum 16. The Hubs likes to eat late, so with the court calling it quits at 5:30 my time everyday, fit in with the meal schedule.

Already had left over flat iron steak, cheesy mashed potato casserole with bacon bits, garlic and scallions, fruit salad with fresh cantaloupe, pineapple, strawberries, blue berries, seedless red grapes, some sugar and fresh lemon juice for tonight.

Tomorrow? Time for the lasagna, Caesar salad and garlic bread with a great red wine. The Hubs prefers Merlot. My tastes are different on the wine choice but I don't mind. Eating a heavy savory lasagna like that I prefer a crisper tasting wine to help cleanse the palate. Pinot Noir or even a Pinot Grigio.

Quote:

---

Attorneys for the defense and the prosecution presented their closing arguments on Tuesday, appealing to the panel of 12 jurors that will soon consider the case.
The judge is expected to instruct the jury tomorrow as to the charges they must consider against Donald Trump and the laws governing the deliberations.
The jury must be unanimous in its decision. Here's what we know about the jurors on the panel:

---

Quote:

---

Juror 1 - Foreperson

• Works in sales and has some college education
• Originally from Ireland
• Married with no children
• Gets news from The New York Times, Daily Mail and sometimes Fox News and MSNBC

---

Quote:

---

Juror 2

• Investment banker with a master's degree
• Lives with wife and doesn't have children
• Follows Trump's TruthSocial posts and Michael Cohen on X
• Seen quotes from Trump's book "Trump: The Art of The Deal"

---

Quote:

---

Juror 3

• Corporate lawyer
• Originally from Oregon
• Not married and doesn't have children
• Gets news from The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Google

---

Quote:

---

Juror 4

• Security engineer
• Married with three children
• Has a high school diploma
• Doesn't have social media

---

Quote:

---

Juror 5

• English teacher in a public charter school system
• Master's degree in education
• Young Black woman who isn't married and doesn't have children
• Said she avoids political conversations
• Wasn't aware that Trump is facing charges in other criminal cases

---

Quote:

---

Juror 6

• Software engineer at a large broadcast company
• Recently graduated from college
• Not married and doesn't have children
• Currently living with three roommates in Chelsea in Manhattan
• Gets her news from The New York Times, Google, Facebook and TikTok

---

Quote:

---

Juror 7

• Civil litigator
• Married with two children
• Lives on the Upper East Side in Manhattan
• Said there were likely Trump administration policies he disagreed with
• Reads The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Post and Washington Post

---

Quote:

---

Juror 8

• Retired wealth manager
• Married with two children
• Says he knows about Trump but is, "more interested in [his] hobbies"

---

Quote:

---

Juror 9

• Speech therapist with a master's degree
• Not married and doesn't have children
• When asked by Necheles if she'd feel pressured by others, she said, "Not at all"

---

Quote:

---

Juror 10

• Works for e-commerce company
• Born and raised in Ohio
• Not married and lives with another adult
• Says he doesn't really follow the news

---

Quote:

---

Juror 11

• Works for a multinational apparel company
• Not a native New Yorker
• Not married and doesn't have children
• Doesn't really follow news but occasionally follows headlines
• Said she does not like Trump's "persona" and "he just seems very selfish and self-serving"

---

Quote:

---

Juror 12

• Physical therapist
• Has a doctorate degree in physical therapy
• Married with no children
• Reads The New York Times, USA Today and CNN

---

Alternates:

Quote:

---

Alternate 1

• Analyst for asset management company
• Grew up in England
• Lives with her boyfriend
• Reads the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times

---

Quote:

---

Alternate 2

• Not currently employed
• Originally from Spain
• Married with adult children
• Does not follow news
• Said she doesn't "have strong opinions about former President Donald Trump that would interfere" with her ability to be an impartial juror

---

Quote:

---

Alternate 3

• Employed at a university
• Has a high school diploma
• Native New Yorker
• Married with one child
• He at times reads The New York Times or the Washington Post
• He said he feels Trump is being treated fairly in this case

---

Quote:

---

Alternate 4

• Contract specialist
• Previously lived in New Jersey and Oregon
• Married with two children
• Said she is "not a big news person" but looks at The New York Times, Reuters and the BBC
• Has social media profiles but doesn't post or use them

---

Quote:

---

Alternate 5

• Works for a clothing company
• Married
• Has a high school diploma
• Gets news from Google

---

Quote:

---

Alternate 6

• Project manager for a construction company
• Divorced with three children
• Listens to true crime podcasts

---

Only hope is Juror 1 or 2 holding out….will definitely be either a hung jury or guilty! You'd hope the two lawyers on there would see right through this, but I'd bet they go all in on guilty! (Jury certainly doesn't appear to be "impartial".)

juror 4 might be a good one

Juror 1 or 2 or 4 seem most likely to me to be holdouts to not vote guilty

I don't like that so few jurors have any children. They don't have family concerns that would understand Trump's concerns for his family.

HERE'S HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP MIGHT SEEK A DIRECT APPEAL TO THE SUPREME COURT DEPENDING ON THE MANHATTAN JURY'S DECISION

I asked my friend of nearly 45-years, Arthur Fergenson, who served as a law clerk to the late chief justice, Warren Burger, and one of the smartest lawyers I…

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) May 29, 2024

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/nyregion/trump-trial-jury-hush-money.html

After reading a little more detail about the jurors…1 and 2 along with 5 might give him a chance for a hung jury.

will25u said:

---

HERE'S HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP MIGHT SEEK A DIRECT APPEAL TO THE SUPREME COURT DEPENDING ON THE MANHATTAN JURY'S DECISION

I asked my friend of nearly 45-years, Arthur Fergenson, who served as a law clerk to the late chief justice, Warren Burger, and one of the smartest lawyers I…

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) May 29, 2024

---

Pundits now talking direct appeal to the supreme court?

Sounds a lot like what was being talked about on this board 7-months ago. Glad they finally caught up.

will25u said:

---

HERE'S HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP MIGHT SEEK A DIRECT APPEAL TO THE SUPREME COURT DEPENDING ON THE MANHATTAN JURY'S DECISION

I asked my friend of nearly 45-years, Arthur Fergenson, who served as a law clerk to the late chief justice, Warren Burger, and one of the smartest lawyers I…

— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) May 29, 2024

---

So not happening.

Bighunter43 said:

---

Only hope is Juror 1 or 2 holding out….will definitely be either a hung jury or guilty! You'd hope the two lawyers on there would see right through this, but I'd bet they go all in on guilty! (Jury certainly doesn't appear to be "impartial".)

---

I can see the lawyers bullying/pressuring any holdouts into guilty votes rather quickly, hope I'm wrong.

Jurors 5, 6, and 11 will make sure there is no acquittal. Juror 11 at least gets points for honesty.

Juror 6 works for a broadcast company, female recent college graduate, gets news from NYT and social media.

You aren't ever going to convince me that Juror 5, a young black woman with a Master's in Education and a public charter teacher, doesn't follow politics or have political conversations and doesn't know Trump is facing other charges. She was probably out there rioting in 2020.

The question is whether the others will fight against a guilty verdict and get it to hung. I don't think they will.

This jury, with this judge giving insanely broad instructions in favor of the state, is going to convict.

SpreadsheetAg said:

---

BREAKING: Members of the media from the hush money case courtroom believe the prosecutors have LOST the vote of at least half the jurors. Here's a conversation between reporters

“Steinglass has lost the jury. I’m looking at them. They look lost. I’m counting 7 not guilty votes.”… pic.twitter.com/80W6ITYE4s

— George (@BehizyTweets) May 28, 2024

---

The cynic in me believes that is why 2 lawyers were installed on the jury. My cynical take is those lawyers will be explaining how President Trump is guilty defending the prosecution att.

i hope you are wrong

DannyDuberstein said:

---

I'd be careful with assuming too much from sleepy jurors in this situation. They may not be engaged because they already made up their mind to convict weeks ago

---

Unfortunately I believe you may be correct.

aggiehawg said:

---

I don't like that so few jurors have any children. They don't have family concerns that would understand Trump's concerns for his family.

---

I feel like someone with a family might be less sympathetic if they think he embarrassed the whole family by cheating.

Is it true some jurors grinnin' like the cheshire cat.

richardag said:

---

SpreadsheetAg said:

---

BREAKING: Members of the media from the hush money case courtroom believe the prosecutors have LOST the vote of at least half the jurors. Here's a conversation between reporters

“Steinglass has lost the jury. I’m looking at them. They look lost. I’m counting 7 not guilty votes.”… pic.twitter.com/80W6ITYE4s

— George (@BehizyTweets) May 28, 2024

---

The cynic in me believes that is why 2 lawyers were installed on the jury. My cynical take is those lawyers will be explaining how President Trump is guilty defending the prosecution att.

---

How would the media possibly think that? I'm guessing just monitoring their reactions during closing?

This just feels like wishful thinking from whoever that is on Twitter.

Need to start an alternate verdict prediction thread. Still say guilty with only one chance at a holdout. But the overwhelming NY pressure and thought of living your life there when they all get doxxed will crater the last holdout. Guess how long it takes for them to come back with the guilty verdict.

Juror 4 has profile I want for defense

My guess, and not being in the courtroom these are are really just wildass guesses by all of us:

Hung jury, one holdout. And that's probably a heavy dose of wishful thinking.


On the discretionary rulings and instructions, the court has gone with the state just about every time. He's also made several wrong rulings, the key one being improperly limiting in my view what evidence Trump could put on in terms of the FEC expert. The correct ruling wouid have been to say smith can't testify on ultimately whether the law was broken, but on the other issues he was concerned with take them up if and when they arose during the testimony.

His whole demeanor, which jury likely picks up on, is anti-Trump. Juries draw off a judge. When the judge is against a party, jurors usually fall in with that same sentiment.

Combine those and the jury pool, and that's not a good thing for Trump getting off

I'd bet that in all his other cases, merchan is pro-defendant and bends over backwards to let defendants put on the defense they want. Yet not here. Weird.