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one thing we can all agree on: trump cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*** star

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And the party of "family values" sees nothing wrong with it. Then again, even if he shot someone on fifth Avenue he wouldn't lose one of them, so what's the big deal about this.

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How ironic, considering your man's "family values" consist of perpetually not-recognizing his own grand-daughter for 4 years and showering with his niece. But hey, that's ok with your side.

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I never said it was okay. That's wrong just as what Trump did was wrong.

That was easy to say, yet for some reason Trump has many supporters who won't even say what he's done is wrong. It's really not that hard.

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The Edwards case is interesting due to the fact that there was a very direct connection between Bunny Mellon as an Edwards donor, actually did pay Rielle over a million dollars in support for her and the baby during the course of the campaign. Jury acquitted him anyway. And the FEC did fine the Edwards campaign over it.

None of those facts are present here. Both the FEC and DOJ thoroughly reviewed these facts and found no violation. So if the predicate "crime" upon which the felony charges rest is not there, then there is no crime on these facts.

The second problem is the credibility of a serial perjurer as the star witness, in Michael Cohen. Even Stormy has prior inconcistent statements on whether an affair happened or not. Then there's Avenatti who has some harsh words about both Cohen and Stormy and that he doesn't think Trump can get a fair trial in Manhattan.

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hawg - I thought the law states something to the effect that in order for this to be true, Trump would have be proven guilty of hiding a federal crime. What crime would that be?

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I don't care if people want to vote for Trump. There aren't good choices.

But I wish we could stop pretending that Trump isn't a scumbag as well. A lot of the Christian voters have felt the need to give the following excuses:

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This is an election between a marxist regime and freedom. Period.

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It's really wild and crazy that the LIBERAL party is going waaaaay left. It started with - make everyone feel guilty - you're white, you didn't get the vaccine, you aren't inclusive, you aren't equitable, we need to hire more black executives (from other companies where they're already executives).

What's next in the guilt phase or are we moving to phase 2?

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I don't care if people want to vote for Trump. There aren't good choices.

But I wish we could stop pretending that Trump isn't a scumbag as well. A lot of the Christian voters have felt the need to give the following excuses:

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This is an election between a marxist regime and freedom. Period.

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Hyperbole aside, I just don't want to hear arguments from morally from Trumpers. Economic, foreign policy, etc? Sure. But we have ceded the moral high ground. Trump is even moving the party pro-choice now.

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Although the indictment is unclear the fact that they were arguing over Michael Cohen's plea deal in which he pled to a campaign finance violation (which was itself not very clear) indicates that is Bragg's underlying theory of the case.

It's stupid and absurd, of course but all he has that I can see. And Cohen's plea is not binding upon Trump, nor can it be used here, according to the judge.

ETA: There is also a legal question on which legal authority does Bragg have to prosecute a federal crime? In my view, he has none.

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one thing we can all agree on: trump cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*** star

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Can we agree that many politicians would do that and that only Trump is being put through this BS?

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It seems like John Edwards had a criminal trial for something similar (cheating, use of campaign funds to keep it quiet, etc.) in 2012.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/why-the-john-edwards-trial-is-a-bigger-deal-than-you-think/255749/

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Campaign finance rules have changed markedly since 2008 -- making this, the only case of its kind, one to watch.

Jury selection in the federal criminal trial of John Edwards begins Thursday April 12th in a Greensboro, N.C., courtroom. As the world now knows, Edwards chose to cheat on his cancer-stricken wife during his 2008 presidential run. Two wealthy political supporters then spent hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting Edwards's mistress as part of a failed effort to keep the affair quiet. Prosecutors decided that the financial support constituted unreported, excessive and thus illegal campaign donations, and indicted Edwards for his role in the arrangement.

The story of Edwards and his paramour Rielle Hunter has been told by former campaign aide Andrew Young in excruciating detail in his book The Politician: An Insider's Account of John Edwards's Pursuit of the Presidency and the Scandal That Brought Him Down. The story that has not been detailed is why the sex scandal turned into a federal case, whether it should have, and how Edwards -- the famed trial lawyer -- has bungled the run up to his own trial.
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And the #1 take away from that trial was that he was acquitted...

Clarification on the Cohen plea deal admissibility.

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The historic criminal trial against former President Donald Trump is underway in New York. Ahead of jury selection, the judge said what evidence will be allowed and what will not during the trial.
Trump, who is in the courtroom, is on trial in Manhattan for his alleged role in a hush money scheme to silence his alleged mistresses before the 2016 election. No former US president has ever faced criminal prosecution. Trump has pleaded not guilty and has denied the affairs.
Here's what has happened in court so far:
Evidence that will be allowed:

• Judge Juan Merchan said he will allow a series of National Enquirer stories attacking Trump's opponents into evidence.
• Testimony from Karen McDougal will also be allowed, but Merchan said it is not necessary for the jury to hear that Trump continued his affair with McDougal while his wife, Melania Trump, was pregnant and after she gave birth. McDougal is a model and actress who has said she had a monthslong affair with Trump in 2006 and was paid $150,000 to keep quiet about it by the National Enquirer. Trump has denied the affair.
• Merchan will allow testimony of former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's guilty plea to campaign finance violations with the proper foundation. He said prosecutors cannot tie that guilty plea to Trump.

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What will not be allowed:

• Merchan said he still believes the "Access Hollywood" video in which Trump brags about groping women should not be shown to jurors because it's so prejudicial.
• The judge also denied prosecutors' request to bring into evidence the allegations of sexual assault against Trump that came out after the "Access Hollywood" tape. He said he will not allow Trump to be prejudiced by a "rumor."
• Merchan additionally said he doesn't think the deposition of E. Jean Carroll, who accused Trump of sexual assault, should be brought in because it would be "building in a trial into a trial."

What comes next: Jury selection is expected to begin soon and will continue until a panel of 12 New Yorkers and six alternates are seated. Prospective jurors will be vetted through a questionnaire that could signal political views. They will be asked a wide range of questions, including where in the city they live, where they get their news, whether they've ever attended a rally for the former president and whether they have had any affiliation with groups such as the Proud Boys or the QAnon movement. Read more about the process here.

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

A biased judge with an unhinged bias daughter.

In a wildly biased jurisdiction.

On facts from 2017 which have been investigated by FEC , DOJ, and manhattan AG before and all declined.

And some think this isn't banana republic election interference and will think "justice" was done if found guilty.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/trump-hush-money-trial-jury-2bc58769

Donald Trump's hush-money trial began Monday in one of the bluest parts of the country, where a jury full of Democrats could decide the presumptive Republican presidential nominee's fate.

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Donald Trump's decision to attend sidebars with the judge and attorneys as jury selection in the hush money trial against him gets underway suggests the former president is very involved in his defense, CNN correspondents say.

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"It's a statement that suggests he's involved. The stakes are high here," CNN chief legal affairs correspondent Paula Reid said. "So his legal team would likely tell you this shows that he's invested, he understands that this is serious."

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Attorney Todd Blanche said earlier that Trump wants to attend every conference, including side conferences during jury selection.

That means Trump will be "eye-to-eye with these potential jurors, in close proximity, as they answer questions," many of them about the former president that could signal their political views, CNN correspondent Kara Scannell said.

Trump's involvement has been a focal point of his legal strategy not just in this courtroom, but in the months leading up to the trial when his lawyers worked to delay the proceedings, CNN correspondent Phil Mattingly added.

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I don't care if people want to vote for Trump. There aren't good choices.

But I wish we could stop pretending that Trump isn't a scumbag as well. A lot of the Christian voters have felt the need to give the following excuses:

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This is an election between a marxist regime and freedom. Period.

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Hyperbole aside,

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No hyperbole whatsoever. Marxists are running the executive branch. How many of the Bill of Rights do they need to violate for people to wake up?

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

Maybe they're also not of the "family values" type, and that's why they can't see the faults in Trump. If he's a representation of what they believe in, then what we see as negatives they see as acceptable because they're the same way. Who knows, but it is interesting to see.

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Prosecution can use the words the Trump said in the Access Hollywood video, but they cannot hear the actual tape of Trump using those words.

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

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People have no choice. Both candidates are flawed men. This election is for keeps. We will have no rights left if the marxists get another shot at it.

Who said he's a good person?

What about people that support the sitting president, a proven liar among other things. What vibe do they give you?

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

Maybe they're also not of the "family values" type, and that's why they can't see the faults in Trump. If he's a representation of what they believe in, then what we see as negatives they see as acceptable because they're the same way. Who knows, but it is interesting to see.

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While I understand your point, that's been water under the bridge since the South Carolina 2016 primary.

When Trump was winning the areas that had gone for Huckabee four years earlier, his moral foibles were already baked into the cake, as the saying goes.

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

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People have no choice. Both candidates are flawed men. This election is for keeps. We will have no rights left if the marxists get another shot at it.

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I respect your honesty. I will add that there were other choices for the GOP, and even when other candidates had nowhere near the amount, or types, of flaws Trump does, they still chose Trump.

Regardless, whatever happens after the next election, I hope that things start turning for the better for everyone. And if it happens with Trump in office, that's fine. It just needs to happen.

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Clarification on the Cohen plea deal admissibility.

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The historic criminal trial against former President Donald Trump is underway in New York. Ahead of jury selection, the judge said what evidence will be allowed and what will not during the trial.
Trump, who is in the courtroom, is on trial in Manhattan for his alleged role in a hush money scheme to silence his alleged mistresses before the 2016 election. No former US president has ever faced criminal prosecution. Trump has pleaded not guilty and has denied the affairs.
Here's what has happened in court so far:
Evidence that will be allowed:

• Judge Juan Merchan said he will allow a series of National Enquirer stories attacking Trump's opponents into evidence.
• Testimony from Karen McDougal will also be allowed, but Merchan said it is not necessary for the jury to hear that Trump continued his affair with McDougal while his wife, Melania Trump, was pregnant and after she gave birth. McDougal is a model and actress who has said she had a monthslong affair with Trump in 2006 and was paid $150,000 to keep quiet about it by the National Enquirer. Trump has denied the affair.
• Merchan will allow testimony of former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's guilty plea to campaign finance violations with the proper foundation. He said prosecutors cannot tie that guilty plea to Trump.

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What will not be allowed:

• Merchan said he still believes the "Access Hollywood" video in which Trump brags about groping women should not be shown to jurors because it's so prejudicial.
• The judge also denied prosecutors' request to bring into evidence the allegations of sexual assault against Trump that came out after the "Access Hollywood" tape. He said he will not allow Trump to be prejudiced by a "rumor."
• Merchan additionally said he doesn't think the deposition of E. Jean Carroll, who accused Trump of sexual assault, should be brought in because it would be "building in a trial into a trial."

What comes next: Jury selection is expected to begin soon and will continue until a panel of 12 New Yorkers and six alternates are seated. Prospective jurors will be vetted through a questionnaire that could signal political views. They will be asked a wide range of questions, including where in the city they live, where they get their news, whether they've ever attended a rally for the former president and whether they have had any affiliation with groups such as the Proud Boys or the QAnon movement. Read more about the process here.

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What about if they've ever gone to a Biden event, or had affiliation with BLM or Antifa?

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

Maybe they're also not of the "family values" type, and that's why they can't see the faults in Trump. If he's a representation of what they believe in, then what we see as negatives they see as acceptable because they're the same way. Who knows, but it is interesting to see.

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I don't need a Sunday school teacher as president. Do you? Is Biden your guy? I need a strong country not a socialist country. What do you need?

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As AH said, these charges seem quite weak. BUT - it is a New York jury that could have a strong TDS bent

The classified papers trial is the one in which Trump faces the greatest danger. He had papers with the correct markings stored illegally. He was no longer President, so he no longer possessed the power to change those classifications. And there was no record of him doing so while he was president, either.

Back to the trial - judge is making several rulings in Trump's favor against highly prejudicial evidence.

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Judge Juan Merchan said he has changed his mind on how they will question individual jurors.

The judge said if they are going to speak to an individual juror, they will clear the courtroom of all the other jurors and send them back to the general room.

The judge said he's doing this so the juror does not feel intimidated speaking in front of a full courtroom.

The juror would then answer questions from the podium with the judge, attorneys, Trump and some members of the press in the room.

Trump's attorney, however, is pushing back. The judge said the side room is designed to hold 12 people "and we are well over that number."

"We want to know who we're getting on this jury. Anything we do discouraging jurors from being 100% open, kind of cuts against that," Merchan says, explaining his concern about having jurors in front of so many people.

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Prosecutors' theory of the case is that Donald Trump falsified business records to cover up hush money payments that were made to prevent adult film star Stormy Daniel's claim she had an affair with Trump from becoming public before the 2016 presidential election.
These are the high-profile witnesses who are expected to be called by prosecutors, according to people familiar with the hush money case. Each of the witnesses played a role during a key period at the center of the prosecution's theory.

• Michael Cohen: Cohen is a central witness in this trial because he made the payment to Daniels and was reimbursed by the Trump Organization.
• Stormy Daniels: Daniels is the adult film star who was paid $130,000 the hush money payment to keep her from going public about her claim that she had an affair with Trump. Her real name is Stephanie Clifford. Trump has denied the affair.
• Hope Hicks: Hicks is the former White House communications director under Trump. The day after the Access Hollywood tape came out in 2016, Hicks was on the phone with Cohen and Trump, CNN previously reported.
• David Pecker: Pecker is the former chairman and CEO of American Media, which publishes the National Enquirer. He was involved in numerous "catch and kill" schemes he orchestrated on behalf of Trump, including burying a story about an affair between Trump and Karen McDougal.
• Karen McDougal American Media Inc agreed to pay McDougal $150,000 five months before the 2016 election for her silence about allegations of an affair with Trump, according to prosecutors. Trump has denied the affair. This payment is not part of the charges against Trump, but prosecutors have said in court filings that the testimony would help establish a pattern of payments.
• Kellyanne Conway Conway is the former counselor to Trump when he was president. Conway was one of the campaign aides who spoke with Cohen following the release of the Access Hollywood tape, CNN has reported.

Other witnesses will include bankers and Trump Organization officials who handled the payments, lawyers involved in the transaction, as well as other people who worked on Trump's campaign, the sources said.

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

Maybe they're also not of the "family values" type, and that's why they can't see the faults in Trump. If he's a representation of what they believe in, then what we see as negatives they see as acceptable because they're the same way. Who knows, but it is interesting to see.

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I don't need a Sunday school teacher as president. Do you? Is Biden your guy? I need a strong country not a socialist country. What do you need?

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What DeSantis would be able to do, which is do things what wouldn't be undone the second a Democrat became president. Trump is going to have all of his, "So. Much. Winning." EOs, all of which will mean nothing the second he's gone. Then we're back to where things were before he got it.

ETA: For those who say they don't want something like, "I don't want a Sunday School teacher, or whatever example x" does that mean that you're not a family values type person yourself? Or does that mean you are but you don't care if others are if they're on your side?

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one thing we can all agree on: trump cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*** star

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So naturally charge him with a felony. Right?

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Thirty-four felonies, but who's counting?

Too bad Trump's not the faithful saint that FDR, JFK and Bill Clinton were/are. He might have the Democrats' support if he'd just dropped trow and asked Paula Jones to go to town on him.

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Juanita Brodderick says Clinton told her to put some ice on her injuries after he raped her.

But I am supposed to be indignant about Trump.

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one thing we can all agree on: trump cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*** star

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So naturally charge him with a felony. Right?

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Nope 34! GDamnit.

eta: corrected to the number of felonies charged
https://manhattanda.org/district-attorney-bragg-announces-34-count-felony-indictment-of-former-president-donald-j-trump/

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So I read that whole thing. It's summed up at the end - he's accused of 34 counts of falsifying business records (to hide seedy things about his past). These are class E felonies. Which carry a $3000 fine. So, if found guilty, he will own $100,000?

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

Maybe they're also not of the "family values" type, and that's why they can't see the faults in Trump. If he's a representation of what they believe in, then what we see as negatives they see as acceptable because they're the same way. Who knows, but it is interesting to see.

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I don't need a Sunday school teacher as president. Do you? Is Biden your guy? I need a strong country not a socialist country. What do you need?

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Just be consistent and refrain from using morality in your arguments if it truly doesn't matter to you.

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I don't care if people want to vote for Trump. There aren't good choices.

But I wish we could stop pretending that Trump isn't a scumbag as well. A lot of the Christian voters have felt the need to give the following excuses:

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Hyperbole aside, I just don't want to hear arguments from morally from Trumpers. Economic, foreign policy, etc? Sure. But we have ceded the moral high ground. Trump is even moving the party pro-choice state's rights now.

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one thing we can all agree on: trump cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*** star

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And the party of "family values" sees nothing wrong with it. Then again, even if he shot someone on fifth Avenue he wouldn't lose one of them, so what's the big deal about this.

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The math is more nuanced than: Trump is less than stellar as a model of good father and husband. He's not. That fact is hardly even a part of the calculus when the question is who ought we to vote for? But it doesn't mean I "see nothing wrong with it".

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The historic trial of former President Donald Trump is expected to include a lot of objections and sidebars, sources told CNN chief legal affairs correspondent Paula Reid.

Sidebar conversations are usually issues that attorneys want to resolve outside the presence of the jury or potential jurors, Reid explained. They are usually sensitive issues that could be related to evidence being brought up.

In this case, the defense are using sidebars because they are focused on preserving every issue for appeal, according to Reid.

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Judge Juan Merchan said he will hold a hearing on the district attorney's motion to sanction Donald Trump for his social media posts, according to pool reports.

The hearing will be next week, on April 24 at 2:15 p.m. ET.

Trump's lawyers have until Friday to file their written response. Prosecutor Christopher Conroy asked that a copy of the order be served on Trump. Papers were then handed to Trump and Trump's lawyer Todd Blanche at the defense table.

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

Maybe they're also not of the "family values" type, and that's why they can't see the faults in Trump. If he's a representation of what they believe in, then what we see as negatives they see as acceptable because they're the same way. Who knows, but it is interesting to see.

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I don't need a Sunday school teacher as president. Do you? Is Biden your guy? I need a strong country not a socialist country. What do you need?

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What DeSantis would be able to do, which is do things what wouldn't be undone the second a Democrat became president. Trump is going to have all of his, "So. Much. Winning." EOs, all of which will mean nothing the second he's gone. Then we're back to where things were before he got it.

ETA: For those who say they don't want something like, "I don't want a Sunday School teacher, or whatever example x" does that mean that you're not a family values type person yourself? Or does that mean you are but you don't care if others are if they're on your side?

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DeSantis is gone dude. You need to get over your self righteousness and decide what you want for this country in the near future.

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The weaker section of a sword blade, from the middle to the tip.
A moral weakness; a failing; a weak point; a frailty.

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one thing we can all agree on: trump cheated on his pregnant wife with a p*** star

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And the party of "family values" sees nothing wrong with it. Then again, even if he shot someone on fifth Avenue he wouldn't lose one of them, so what's the big deal about this.

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How ironic, considering your man's "family values" consist of perpetually not-recognizing his own grand-daughter for 4 years and showering with his niece. But hey, that's ok with your side.

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Not to mention his actual views on race from the party of tolerance. But they don't wanna talk about that, because that would require them to defend their votes instead of pretending to be above the fray.

Learn a new word today?

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Yes he did... But that was/is between Trump and his wife, none of our business. But go ahead and point out the obvious.

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really?

Trump promised to be faithful and obey his wives didn't he?

so now the most important promise one gives is not relevant to the voting public?

no voter should take into account that a candidate boldly lies over and over again? or hires pr@stitutes while his wife is pregnant.

what EXACTLY should a voter be allowed to take into account that is "our business"?

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Maybe something like inappropriately showering with your young daughter that made her uncomfortable enough to say so in her diary? I don't vote based on who I'd be friends with like some of you emotional quacks. I vote on policy 99% of the time, but to be fair that other 1% means I would never vote for someone based on they're a pedophile...

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People just want equal enforcement and in this banana republic that isn't happening. We have a lying, cheating grifter in the white house. Less than a year ago cocaine was found in the white house, the most surveilled building on earth with a cocaine addicted resident and that went away. That's the issue.

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I get that. What I don't get is his supporters not being able to admit that Trump is not the type of person they claim to be themselves.

Maybe they're also not of the "family values" type, and that's why they can't see the faults in Trump. If he's a representation of what they believe in, then what we see as negatives they see as acceptable because they're the same way. Who knows, but it is interesting to see.

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I don't need a Sunday school teacher as president. Do you? Is Biden your guy? I need a strong country not a socialist country. What do you need?

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What DeSantis would be able to do, which is do things what wouldn't be undone the second a Democrat became president. Trump is going to have all of his, "So. Much. Winning." EOs, all of which will mean nothing the second he's gone. Then we're back to where things were before he got it.

ETA: For those who say they don't want something like, "I don't want a Sunday School teacher, or whatever example x" does that mean that you're not a family values type person yourself? Or does that mean you are but you don't care if others are if they're on your side?

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Didn't you once say that Ted Cruz was too "Jesusy" for you?

Maybe pick a narrative and at least stick with it.

Yes'm. I would now argue that your use of "moral foibles" was brought to us by the Department of Redundancy Department.