They must not be selling these Jeeps. Went past a field in the middle of nowhere with these brand new Jeep gladiators. Window stickers on and surrounded by temp chain link fence.

I couldn't find a tundra to save my life when I was in the market a couple years ago.

I paid 0 markup at GMC in 2022 at my local dealer. They were actually proud to state they are not marking any up and their inventory was flying off the lot. I got the last truck in stock with the additions I wanted. Got actual sticker on my new Truck and a 0% 4 year loan.

Nearly impossible to get a real car price over the phone also. They advertise the internet price, but that includes dealer fees etc which they refuse to tell you the amount unless you go in. Beyond frustrating.

Car salesmen may serve a purpose, but they rank around gold coin dealers here.

There's a lawsuit from about 30 years ago where a dealership essentially imprisoned a deaf adult using the "Automotive Profit Builder Controlled Track Selling System." I'm sure that system has changed names by now and is claimed to be nonexistent, but the tactics very likely still exist. It was described as intending "to excite the customer, confuse the customer, pressure the customer, and then take every last dime you can get regardless of the consequences to the customer."

"During the discussions in Maturelli's office, they talked about Bien trading in his truck. Maturelli got Bien's keys to have the truck appraised. After it was appraised, pursuant to the APB System, the keys were not returned to Bien, but instead were placed in Kielson's office. Thus, pursuant to Grubbs Nissan's APB System, Bien was now effectively trapped. They had his check which would only be returned as an ultimate last resort, and they also had his keys. They knew Bien was deaf and could not use the phone to call for help, and they knew he could not walk home because of the dangers presented by his disabilities, together with the darkness and bad weather. Grubbs had achieved its goal of obtaining a captive audience."

True. The last one was stolen and recovered. Now the keys stay in a faraday pouch and box.

Dan, if you want a Lincoln, Ed Williams at West Point Lincoln in Houston is the guy to see.

If you want a Lexus, Toyota or Subaru, our son in law owns those dealerships in Bossier City. He's not the cheapest but he's honest. He never sold a single car over sticker during the pandemic.

Lastly, a Jeep was the worst POS I ever owned. I would never buy another one.

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I began the car shopping grind this week. Dealers are desperate. More than anybody I remember American car companies selling way above MSRP with bullcrap dealer additions to help justify. The biggest POS was Jeep dealers.

If you're in the market for a new car, you can get an overpriced Jeep discounted bigly now. Especially a 2023 Jeep Gladiator they were begging me to take it off their lot. Grand Cherokee MSRP has been marked down. They're realizing nobody pays BMW prices for a effing Jeep especially at 8% for new car loan plus 20% increase to insurance. Lincoln is another big one. I'll pick On foreign too. Toyota sells wells but not the Tundra.

F them. They took short term profits and burned people and any goodwill.

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Never buy a Jeep. They have been overrated and overpriced since forever.

Ford Motor Co have lost their minds with their inflated pricing. They lost my business.

And Toyota dealers are scumbags in my experience.

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I tried telling my wife this but she insisted on buying a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Still have problems with it. Feels boxy, tight knee space. Hate it.

I drive a 2004 Ram 2500, my truck I use for work is a 2007 Ford ranger and my wife drives a 2014 Ford Fusion. They all run like a dream. I got 0% for 0 months financing because I saved money and paid cash. I also hate salesmen. I don't think I'll ever buy a new vehicle

Have a deposit on a Lexus GX 550 going on 6 months now and don't even know the "price." Any word on that?

Just bought an 01 7.3 excursion 4x4 with 93k on the clock. Going to replace a buncha rubber lines and redo some seals, orings and gaskets and drive the snot out of it!



edit: love the car edge youtube channel. I think Stellantis may head for bankruptcy, dunno how long they can sell 0 to very few cars and stay afloat

Does anyone have a favorite Honda dealership within 100 miles of BCS? (Good prices, no add ones, no BS, etc)

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Does anyone have a favorite Honda dealership within 100 miles of BCS? (Good prices, no add ones, no BS, etc)

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Salesmen...no BS...does not compute

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Does anyone have a favorite Honda dealership within 100 miles of BCS? (Good prices, no add ones, no BS, etc)

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Round Rock Honda was ok 4 years ago, Penske dealership. No idea if they are bad now after COVID, etc.

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Just got a 2024 GMC AT4 3.0 Diesel for $7500 off MSRP and 1.9% for 72 months…maybe you're not shopping right on the loan.

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Thats because they're #1 target in car thefts.

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Also not a V8.

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Just got a 2024 GMC AT4 3.0 Diesel for $7500 off MSRP and 1.9% for 72 months…maybe you're not shopping right on the loan.

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Thats because they're #1 target in car thefts.

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Also not a V8.

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Bring back the muscle car, please.

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Better for hauling and I'm getting ~25mpg on the highway as long as I'm not hammering it. The 3.0 really is a great engine if you've never been in one.

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My wife wanted to look at a Lexus NX hybrid. The website showed that the local dealer had 6 on the lot - so we went down there. The salesman walks up and tells me they don't have any on the lot and they probably won't for a while. The next 22 that arrive are already sold.

So I ask about the new GX550 and he tells me the next 46 that arrive are sold. I comment that it is hard to believe that many people buy a vehicle without even sitting in one first. He just shrugs at me with a smart ass grin on his face. Then I comment that if I owned that dealership I would lay off 99% of the sales people since the cars are selling themselves. His smart ass grin disappears.

Put me in the category that doesn't see any benefit of car dealers. It is a good thing they are protected by state laws or they already would have gone the way of the dinosaurs.

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What other car companies are you entertaining besides Lexus/Toyota? If the answer is none, you can look in the mirror as to who the problem is.

Toyota is killing it with the 6th generation 4Runner, the GX, the LX and Land Cruiser. The product does sell itself.

The NX and GX are very different vehicles so your story might also be a case of ThatHappened.

Which platform, suburban?