What does the FDA have to do with this thread?Antoninus said:
Fighting the FDA is all fun and games, until listeria and botulism show up.
i'm all for letting people eat and drink whatever the heck they want, so long as they are absolutely barred from suing anyone over it.
Are you serious? His entire business model is set up to bypass the FDA and state food safety regulators.Foreverconservative said:What does the FDA have to do with this thread?Antoninus said:
Fighting the FDA is all fun and games, until listeria and botulism show up.
i'm all for letting people eat and drink whatever the heck they want, so long as they are absolutely barred from suing anyone over it.
Please point out where the FDA has said a word about this man's operation.... I won't hold my breathAntoninus said:Are you serious? His entire business model is set up to bypass the FDA and state food safety regulators.Foreverconservative said:What does the FDA have to do with this thread?Antoninus said:
Fighting the FDA is all fun and games, until listeria and botulism show up.
i'm all for letting people eat and drink whatever the heck they want, so long as they are absolutely barred from suing anyone over it.
Very wise of you, because I never claimed that they did. I would hate for you to stop breathing and die.Foreverconservative said:Please point out where the FDA has said a word about this man's operation.... I won't hold my breathAntoninus said:
His entire business model is set up to bypass the FDA and state food safety regulators.
Foreverconservative said:Please point out where the FDA has said a word about this man's operation.... I won't hold my breathAntoninus said:Are you serious? His entire business model is set up to bypass the FDA and state food safety regulators.Foreverconservative said:What does the FDA have to do with this thread?Antoninus said:
Fighting the FDA is all fun and games, until listeria and botulism show up.
i'm all for letting people eat and drink whatever the heck they want, so long as they are absolutely barred from suing anyone over it.
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A month ago, a federal judge appointed an expert to work with Upper Leacock farmer Amos Miller to make sure he complied with food safety laws and court orders...
Three times, the expert visited Miller's Organic Farm, but he never was able to inspect it, despite a court order.
The first time...(the inspector) said an employee told him Miller wasn't there and refused him entrance. Even so, he said he was able to see workers packaging meat and poultry, which isn't permitted until Miller is in compliance.
On a March 4 visit, Lapsley said Miller handed him a note that read, "What are the compelling public interests to be here? Please respond by paper."...
And so on Wednesday afternoon Miller...dialed in to a status conference call with the judge for a course-correction....
Miller tried to ask the judge if he read a recent filing he made. The largely unintelligible filing espoused "sovereign citizen" rhetoric.
Miller's attorney, Steven Lafuente, of Dallas, Texas, said he was "at my wits' end" trying to reason with Miller.
Note: Lafuente is no longer representing MIller
Miller's first came to the attention of federal authorities in 2016, when the Food and Drug Administration said it identified Listeria in samples of Miller's raw milk; the agency found the Listeria to be genetically similar to the bacteria found in two people who developed listeriosis one of whom died after consuming raw milk.
Foreverconservative said:Major win today for #AmosMiller the #Amish farmer. Court agreed to modify injunction so that it only applies within the state of Pennsylvania removing the ban on sales to customers outside state. Thanks to all who supported Amos & thanks to @RepThomasMassie & @RobertKennedyJr
— Robert Barnes (@barnes_law) March 20, 2024
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A Lancaster County judge won't dismiss the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture's lawsuit against Upper Leacock farmer Amos Miller over his raw milk sales.
Lancaster County Judge Thomas Sponaugle's two brief orders issued Tuesday also modified an earlier order that had prevented all sales so that it specifically applies to sales in Pennsylvania.
That would seem to allow Miller to sell raw milk and its products to customers in other states, although federal law requires that milk shipped between states be pasteurized. Miller's ability to fulfill out-of-state orders could be limited given the detaining order placed on his products earlier this year by the agriculture department.
Miller has been the subject of federal and state efforts to compel him to follow food safety rules.
In January, state agriculture inspectors raided his farm, prompted by two illnesses late last year in New York and in Michigan traced to his raw eggnog. The department then sued him Jan. 23 because he doesn't have a permit to sell raw milk and hasn't registered his business with the state, among other alleged violations.
Sponaugle's orders pave the way for the suit to continue.
Sponaugle gave Miller 20 days to respond to the issues the agriculture department raised in its Jan. 23 suit.
Miller's attorney, Robert E. Barnes, said in an emailed statement Tuesday night, "The judge's order is a major relief to Amos Miller & all of his members. As hundreds of out of state members testified to the court, they need access to Amos Miller's milk products for their health & their loved ones."
Ahead of a February 29 court hearing on a request by the agriculture department to prevent Miller from selling goods while its lawsuit plays out, more than 350 people wrote declarations to the court saying how important Miller's products are to them or their family members. And at the hearing, several people testified to that point.
In asking Sponaugle to modify his order to allow sales in other states earlier this month, Miller's attorneys wrote that Miller faced "substantial irreparable injury" if he couldn't sell to out-of-state customers and those customers "will suffer substantial harm if not afforded access to these products."
As for the federal government's pasteurization requirement for interstate sales, Barnes previously told LNP that the federal Food and Drug Administration has agreed not to enforce the rule because it's being challenged in the courts.
In the orders issued Tuesday, Sponaugle also granted a request from Miller's attorneys to order the owner of the website millersorganicfarm.com to stop marketing Miller's products.
Though attorneys for the agriculture department had contended earlier this year that Miller was responsible for the site, Miller's attorney said Miller doesn't have anything to do with it. Barnes said the woman who owns the website has been told for more than a year to stop marketing under Miller's name.
Sorry Charlie this report of Listeria was proven 100% false in court.CanyonAg77 said:Foreverconservative said:Please point out where the FDA has said a word about this man's operation.... I won't hold my breathAntoninus said:Are you serious? His entire business model is set up to bypass the FDA and state food safety regulators.Foreverconservative said:What does the FDA have to do with this thread?Antoninus said:
Fighting the FDA is all fun and games, until listeria and botulism show up.
i'm all for letting people eat and drink whatever the heck they want, so long as they are absolutely barred from suing anyone over it.
March 2022
https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/lancaster-farmer-agrees-again-to-follow-court-order-after-refusing-to-allow-food-safety-expert/article_dc563262-9feb-11ec-9847-eb35032cf6e9.htmlQuote:
A month ago, a federal judge appointed an expert to work with Upper Leacock farmer Amos Miller to make sure he complied with food safety laws and court orders...
Three times, the expert visited Miller's Organic Farm, but he never was able to inspect it, despite a court order.
The first time...(the inspector) said an employee told him Miller wasn't there and refused him entrance. Even so, he said he was able to see workers packaging meat and poultry, which isn't permitted until Miller is in compliance.
On a March 4 visit, Lapsley said Miller handed him a note that read, "What are the compelling public interests to be here? Please respond by paper."...
And so on Wednesday afternoon Miller...dialed in to a status conference call with the judge for a course-correction....
Miller tried to ask the judge if he read a recent filing he made. The largely unintelligible filing espoused "sovereign citizen" rhetoric.
Miller's attorney, Steven Lafuente, of Dallas, Texas, said he was "at my wits' end" trying to reason with Miller.
Note: Lafuente is no longer representing MIller
Miller's first came to the attention of federal authorities in 2016, when the Food and Drug Administration said it identified Listeria in samples of Miller's raw milk; the agency found the Listeria to be genetically similar to the bacteria found in two people who developed listeriosis one of whom died after consuming raw milk.
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Sorry Charlie this report of Listeria was proven 100% false in court.
So since you haven't seen it, that actually means you haven't paid attention.CanyonAg77 said:Quote:
Sorry Charlie this report of Listeria was proven 100% false in court.
Have not seen proof of that.
And your contention is that the FDA has nothing to do with Miller.
This proves you are mistaken
I just did and the proof was posted weeks ago.CanyonAg77 said:
Is there any chance you want to actually discuss facts, or are you just happy being an ass?
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Sorry Charlie this report of Listeria was proven 100% false in court.
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Health officials say a deadly outbreak of listeria has been linked to raw milk from an organic farm in Pennsylvania.
The illnesses happened in 2014 but it took investigators until now to determine the cause. Two patients got sick from the bacteria, one in California and one in Florida, and the patient in Florida died.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday that the outbreak had been traced to unpasteurized raw milk produced by Miller's Organic Farm in Bird-In-Hand, Pennsylvania.
In January, the FDA found listeria in samples of raw chocolate milk produced by the same company, and said genetic testing confirmed it was closely related to the strain that sent the two patients to the hospital in 2014.
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Miller also must notify his customers that two cases of food-borne illnesses have been traced to his products, and he must notify customers that raw milk samples collected by agriculture officials during a Jan. 4 search tested positive for listeria.
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The Ag Department and Attorney General's Office sued Miller in January to stop him from producing raw milk products without state-required permits. The state acted after a person in New York and another in Michigan were sickened by E. coli and reported having consumed products from Miller.
Where is your little speed ling friend? You know, the one who's always whining about condescension and arroganceForeverconservative said:
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