100% Agree. The US is actually one of the few countries that allows direct to consumer marketing of drugs. The medical system has turned into Burger King, everyone gets to have it their way. If you don't get a drug from your doctor because you saw a commercial and think you need it, just go to another doctor that is morally corrupt and he'll take your money and prescribe what you want.fullback44 said:
Anyone else sick and tired of the constant bombardment of drug company commercials? To me it's ridiculous all the commercials. Why are they bombarding us with commercials when it's the Drs duty to prescribe people drugs… even if someone thinks a certain drug may help them it's the Drs duty to give you a working drug for your condition
What the hell is this all about ? I have had 5-10 people ask me about this and I don't know the answer besides maybe money ?
Buford T. Justice said:
Side effects include burning of the perineum.
Then they have to spell out what the perineum is.
Totally agree with you and your statement of people seemingly not able to deal with even minor stress. Seems people claim to have PTSD over the least little thing. While I suppose in some cases it is true, I get the sneaking suspicion that more than a few "have" it to be able to not work, draw disability, etc. I have personally known three people who pulled it off.annie88 said:
There are a lot of drug ads and there's a lot of ads in my opinion trying to convince people that they are mentally ill. So many people they don't seem to be able to deal with even minor stress these days. They all blame it on mental health issues. When it's really just a matter of fortitude.
Don't get me wrong, there are people with mental problems and drugs to help them certainly and that's a good thing, but it seem to have gone past that.
Seamaster said:
Only two countries in the world allow direct-to-consumer pharm advertising.
US and New Zealand.
And as a result, pharm owns the media.
The ads aren't really to get consumers to get the drugs.
The ads are to bribe the media to continue ignoring all of the terrible things pharm does and all the harm it causes.
. Agree. I cannot watch it; immediately hit mute.fullback44 said:
. That Jardiance commercial is so annoying .. I need a function on the tv to mute drug related commercials
WestHoustonAg79 said:Al Bula said:
Fly on the wall during that commercial shoot would have been hilarious
If they are doing kickbacks it is to PBMs, which I'm 100% sure is happening on a gigantic scale.Harry Stone said:
The drug commercials have always been there, however there were much fewer before. Most of this stems from the Opioid crisis. The US has always had anti-kickback laws, but drug companies found ways around it, ie lunches, sponsorships to conferences, etc. When the opioid crisis hit the gov't 'was forced' to crack down on all these loophole anti-kickback schemes and this made it harder to get Dr. Smith to prescribe x-drug from Merck or y-drug from Pfizer. So big pharma took a new route and that was to force the hand of the doctor by getting the patient involved in their own prescription requests, which is why every commercial is a drug company with the 'ask your doctor' catchphrase in it. I can guarantee drug companies are still doing kickbacks, however this is the easiest way to get the general public off their backs by giving the perception they can request what the doctor will prescribe rather than thinking the doctor is getting something from the drug company for prescribing it.
this is just another leading indicator of the downfall of this once great countryfullback44 said:
Anyone else sick and tired of the constant bombardment of drug company commercials? To me it's ridiculous all the commercials. Why are they bombarding us with commercials when it's the Drs duty to prescribe people drugs… even if someone thinks a certain drug may help them it's the Drs duty to give you a working drug for your condition
What the hell is this all about ? I have had 5-10 people ask me about this and I don't know the answer besides maybe money ?
KidDoc said:If they are doing kickbacks it is to PBMs, which I'm 100% sure is happening on a gigantic scale.Harry Stone said:
The drug commercials have always been there, however there were much fewer before. Most of this stems from the Opioid crisis. The US has always had anti-kickback laws, but drug companies found ways around it, ie lunches, sponsorships to conferences, etc. When the opioid crisis hit the gov't 'was forced' to crack down on all these loophole anti-kickback schemes and this made it harder to get Dr. Smith to prescribe x-drug from Merck or y-drug from Pfizer. So big pharma took a new route and that was to force the hand of the doctor by getting the patient involved in their own prescription requests, which is why every commercial is a drug company with the 'ask your doctor' catchphrase in it. I can guarantee drug companies are still doing kickbacks, however this is the easiest way to get the general public off their backs by giving the perception they can request what the doctor will prescribe rather than thinking the doctor is getting something from the drug company for prescribing it.
No Spin Ag said:
I've been tired of them since the 90s when they started pushing Viagra for the Boomers and ADHD pills for kids.
It's HORRIFIC!fullback44 said:
That Jardiance commercial is so dam annoying .. I need a function on the tv to mute drug related commercials
BaileyAg said:
I watch old people tv so i get drug and Medicare commercials
It definitely contributes. Pharmaceutical costs have been the fastest rising claims costs for years now. Nothing else is close.JSKolache said:
Those commercials are the reason healthcare is so expensive in america.
Interesting way to describe hot young female drug reps wearing short skirts.KidDoc said:
It is pretty interesting why you see all these commercials. Back when I was in training (1999-2002) we had drug reps in all the time bringing cookies, having presentations, free pens, etc. In addition they would give trips (with education) and even sports tickets to docs to encourage them to rx their drug.
Came to the thread to point this out, too. Pharmaceutical companies used to spend their marketing budgets on direct marketing to physicians. That included everything from cheap pens and PostIt notes emblazoned with the drug name to hosting CME credit seminars at swanky resorts. Remember when hot, good looking drug reps used to visit doctor offices and bring lots of merch along with cookies and catered lunches? Then, because this was deemed to be terrible, it was outlawed. Well, as usually happens, unintended consequences tend to be worse. Pharmaceutical companies have to market to someone, and if there are heavy restrictions on marketing directly to healthcare providers, then the result is marketing direct to patients. It's not so much a conspiracy by Big Pharma as it is getting around poor legislative attempts to decrease the cost of care. And it backfired. (It always does.)Harry Stone said:KidDoc said:If they are doing kickbacks it is to PBMs, which I'm 100% sure is happening on a gigantic scale.Harry Stone said:
The drug commercials have always been there, however there were much fewer before. Most of this stems from the Opioid crisis. The US has always had anti-kickback laws, but drug companies found ways around it, ie lunches, sponsorships to conferences, etc. When the opioid crisis hit the gov't 'was forced' to crack down on all these loophole anti-kickback schemes and this made it harder to get Dr. Smith to prescribe x-drug from Merck or y-drug from Pfizer. So big pharma took a new route and that was to force the hand of the doctor by getting the patient involved in their own prescription requests, which is why every commercial is a drug company with the 'ask your doctor' catchphrase in it. I can guarantee drug companies are still doing kickbacks, however this is the easiest way to get the general public off their backs by giving the perception they can request what the doctor will prescribe rather than thinking the doctor is getting something from the drug company for prescribing it.
That is a certainty.
Exactly this. I remember very clearly moderating an ethics class symposium at LSU med school back then when the discussion was about whether it was appropriate for physicians to accept all-expenses paid "educational" seminars from pharmaceutical companies. Not a single med student thought there was anything wrong with it. "I earned that trip!" was a common justification.KidDoc said:
It is pretty interesting why you see all these commercials. Back when I was in training (1999-2002) we had drug reps in all the time bringing cookies, having presentations, free pens, etc. In addition they would give trips (with education) and even sports tickets to docs to encourage them to rx their drug.
Right when I finished training, in 2002, the wise rulers up in DC decided that pharma was having too much influence on the docs. So they said they can only bring little lunches, no spouses at dinners, no trips, no sports tickets, no pens, no notepads, no coffee mugs BUT they can advertise direct to consumers. Supposedly they thought this would cut pharma costs and result in drug cost decreases.
Instead you get what we have today- direct advertising to people with no medical training. It is a mess and I missed out on free goodies dangit!
One can argue the non-importation laws mean that Pharma can charge different prices in different countries. Bound to contribute to higher prices in the US.G Martin 87 said:It definitely contributes. Pharmaceutical costs have been the fastest rising claims costs for years now. Nothing else is close.JSKolache said:
Those commercials are the reason healthcare is so expensive in america.
