I think the BP Union "statement" is fake

Libs, please stop. Tying Ukraine & Israel BILLIONS to a crappy border deal that still allows thousands to enter every day is the trifecta of swamp corruption and sorriness. Your party (RINOs too) and Fedgov are pure garbage. It's ludicrous.

eric76 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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And just like that, the GOP owns the border crisis.

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Absolutely wrong. They're turning down a crap bill

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Just out of curiosity, exactly what is crap about it?

One of the few things that I read about it was that it would end "catch and release". Is that crap?

So which parts are crap and which aren't?

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There are multiple threads around here which have links to various X posts taking screen shots and highlighting bad parts.

You could even go to X itself and search for them.

You have to willfully ignorant to miss that this is a bad bill.

samurai_science said:

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eric76 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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And just like that, the GOP owns the border crisis.

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Absolutely wrong. They're turning down a crap bill

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Just out of curiosity, exactly what is crap about it?

One of the few things that I read about it was that it would end "catch and release". Is that crap?

So which parts are crap and which aren't?

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This administration does not follow laws....so the bill is crap.

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The level of discourse on here could make one wonder if we are in some kind of South Park simulation.

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I still say that if we really wanted to reduce the problem, one of the best things that we could do is to eliminate all benefits for illegal aliens.

No medical coverage
No welfare
No unemployment
No aid to families with dependent children

Make it to where it is to their advantage to stay home.

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That ship sailed during the Reagan administration.

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eric76 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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And just like that, the GOP owns the border crisis.

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Absolutely wrong. They're turning down a crap bill

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Just out of curiosity, exactly what is crap about it?

One of the few things that I read about it was that it would end "catch and release". Is that crap?

So which parts are crap and which aren't?

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There are multiple threads around here which have links to various X posts taking screen shots and highlighting bad parts.

You could even go to X itself and search for them.

You have to willfully ignorant to miss that this is a bad bill.

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I don't know if it is or if it isn't. That's why I asked.

I am pretty sure that any border bill that the Democrats or the Republicans would come up with would fail to actually address the real problem.

Old McDonald said:

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one safe place said:

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Old McDonald said:

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so what's the endgame for republicans here? keep refusing bipartisan bills to address the border and hope they get the trifecta in November so they can push a bill without democrats? and just tolerate the border "crisis" until that happens?

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The endgame should always include opposing bad bills. Every single time.

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so the preference is to allow the crisis go on unabated until a perfect solution comes along, even if that means waiting until republicans have congress and the White House?

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Two separate things entirely. You are engaging in a false dilemma. Refusing to allow this bill to pass does NOT equal allowing the crisis to go on unabated. History has shown us that we can limit immigration under existing law to much better levels.

Yes, the goal of 100% control of immigration will not occur without legislative reform; BUT, when a purported immigration control bill actually serves to codify millions of immigrants added each year to our country rather than limiting it? That's not reforming immigration. That's legalizing what was once illegal.

It's not really a Border Bill. It's an aid package that those Republicans who want Congress to get off its ass said, if you want to pass an aid Bill you need to get real and give at least a 'start' on some Border legislation. It's not nearly comprehensive enough but it's better than just doing the aid package alone with nothing done for the Border.

Preferring Congress to just sit on their collective thumbs and do nothing is just schoolyard tantrums, not governing. Small steps are better than none.

Why do we need a "border bill" that includes sending billions to Ukraine and Israel, when we already have border LAWS in place that the feds refuse to enforce?

Let's enforce the laws already on the books, and then we'll get back to you on funding foreign allies in their regional disputes...

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Why do we need a "border bill" that includes sending billions to Ukraine and Israel, when we already have border LAWS in place that the feds refuse to enforce?

Let's enforce the laws already on the books, and then we'll get back to you on funding foreign allies in their regional disputes...

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Increase the Border Patrol several times over as well as the legal and investigative apparatus for legal asylum as well as detention facilities so the folks at the border can control the situation instead of being overwhelmed, and enforcing current laws gets easier. If a half dozen cars speed past a lone highway patrolman there's no way he can stop all of them. You do what you can with the resources available. As insufficient as the Senate Bill is it does provide for an increase in Border resources.

Oooor…go back and finish the damn wall…

And further, why do I need to send resources to Ukraine and Israel in addition to trying to address the border? How about we spend ALL of the proposed money on the border and not on regional, foreign conflicts?

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It's not really a Border Bill. It's an aid package that those Republicans who want Congress to get off its ass said, if you want to pass an aid Bill you need to get real and give at least a 'start' on some Border legislation. It's not nearly comprehensive enough but it's better than just doing the aid package alone with nothing done for the Border.

Preferring Congress to just sit on their collective thumbs and do nothing is just schoolyard tantrums, not governing. Small steps are better than none.

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This bill does nothing for the border.

hth

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Good.

But what will now happen is Democrats will blame Republicans for all of the problems at the border that Democrats created. Those people are the lowest form of **** known to planet Earth.

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So? Republicans will rightly blame democrats.

Get a dog

CDUB98 said:

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eric76 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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And just like that, the GOP owns the border crisis.

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Absolutely wrong. They're turning down a crap bill

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Just out of curiosity, exactly what is crap about it?

One of the few things that I read about it was that it would end "catch and release". Is that crap?

So which parts are crap and which aren't?

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There are multiple threads around here which have links to various X posts taking screen shots and highlighting bad parts.

You could even go to X itself and search for them.

You have to willfully ignorant to miss that this is a bad bill.

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Now you know why I didn't answer him. Once he enters the room, his intent is to stir things up, dem style.

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Oooor…go back and finish the damn wall…

And further, why do I need to send resources to Ukraine and Israel in addition to trying to address the border? How about we spend ALL of the proposed money on the border and not on regional, foreign conflicts?

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If you look at history, those 'regional' conflicts spread further. Better to send dollars instead of American troops. I'd think Israel should have adequate resources of their own to handle Hamas without us bankrolling them, but do you really think Putin would be satisfied with taking over and absorbing Ukraine? No way we want to go back to the Soviet Union days.

What kind of psycho has so little awareness to be able to defend what's going on at the border?

AggiePops said:

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FireAg said:

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Oooor…go back and finish the damn wall…

And further, why do I need to send resources to Ukraine and Israel in addition to trying to address the border? How about we spend ALL of the proposed money on the border and not on regional, foreign conflicts?

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If you look at history, those 'regional' conflicts spread further. Better to send dollars instead of American troops. I'd think Israel should have adequate resources of their own to handle Hamas without us bankrolling them, but do you really think Putin would be satisfied with taking over and absorbing Ukraine? No way we want to go back to the Soviet Union days.

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And I care why? We have an eminent threat on our borders that MUST be addressed with swiftness and severity…

Make America safe first…then we can worry about others…

The fact that the Ds refuse to enforce current laws without getting a handout somewhere else is ridiculous…

Holy shlit.

This might be the most insane part.

This bill grants the far-left DC District Court exclusive authority over future immigration disputes. pic.twitter.com/nuhOG7mc8d

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) February 5, 2024

oh no said:

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Holy shlit.

This might be the most insane part.

This bill grants the far-left DC District Court exclusive authority over future immigration disputes. pic.twitter.com/nuhOG7mc8d

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) February 5, 2024

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Oh quick, someone tell Eric.

What a load of crap.

It might surprise you to know that there are plenty of Conservatives who detest Trump. Trump is no Conservative -- he is a radical who has no concept of Conservatism. He has likely done more damage to the Republican Party than anyone in history.

As for the Border Bill, I haven't heard much in the way of detaiis. That's why I asked.

I already know that it is far from what I'd like to see. I've posted what I'd like to see time and time and time again on previous threads and again on this thread. But if the bill is positive, I don't care whether it was from the Democrats, the Republicans, or as in this case, a bipartisan effort.

My suspicion is that the Republicans are being played and are falling for it, hook, line, and sinker. The Trump Cult whines on and on about the border and when someone comes up with a bill, they whine even louder that it wasn't by the Orange Albatross around the neck of the Republican Party. I would be surprised if the Democrats don't use this to great advantage running up to the election. Why should anyone not a Trump Cultest vote for a hypocrite like Trump?

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What a load of crap.

It might surprise you to know that there are plenty of Conservatives who detest Trump. Trump is no Conservative -- he is a radical who has no concept of Conservatism. He has likely done more damage to the Republican Party than anyone in history.

As for the Border Bill, I haven't heard much in the way of detaiis. That's why I asked.

I already know that it is far from what I'd like to see. I've posted what I'd like to see time and time and time again on previous threads and again on this thread. But if the bill is positive, I don't care whether it was from the Democrats, the Republicans, or as in this case, a bipartisan effort.

My suspicion is that the Republicans are being played and are falling for it, hook, line, and sinker. The Trump Cult whines on and on about the border and when someone comes up with a bill, they whine even louder that it wasn't by the Orange Albatross around the neck of the Republican Party. I would be surprised if the Democrats don't use this to great advantage running up to the election. Why should anyone not a Trump Cultest vote for a hypocrite like Trump?

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See above for a load of crap Mr. Dem

Read the bill…this thing is awful…the only thing it truly accomplishes is sending billions of tax dollars overseas…

I have voted for two Democrats in my life. The first was Phil Gramm and the second was someone I knew back in 1982.

At that time, Trump was still a Democrat and remained one for years after. If anyone is pushing the Democrats views and values, it is Trump and his cult.

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Read the bill…this thing is awful…the only thing it truly accomplishes is sending billions of tax dollars overseas…

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Isn't it like 300 pages or so? I hate to say it, but I don't have time to begin to read it right now.

You go Biden man!

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AggiePops said:

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FireAg said:

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Oooor…go back and finish the damn wall…

And further, why do I need to send resources to Ukraine and Israel in addition to trying to address the border? How about we spend ALL of the proposed money on the border and not on regional, foreign conflicts?

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If you look at history, those 'regional' conflicts spread further. Better to send dollars instead of American troops. I'd think Israel should have adequate resources of their own to handle Hamas without us bankrolling them, but do you really think Putin would be satisfied with taking over and absorbing Ukraine? No way we want to go back to the Soviet Union days.

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And I care why? We have an eminent threat on our borders that MUST be addressed with swiftness and severity…

Make America safe first…then we can worry about others…

The fact that the Ds refuse to enforce current laws without getting a handout somewhere else is ridiculous…

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Let's see… one crisis is far more people trying to enter our Country to better their lives than we have resources to handle as they enter, and the other crisis is an existing shooting war that we could potentially get drawn into if Putin's expansionist ambitions aren't stopped. We do need to cut down significantly on the illegals coming in and handle legal asylum requests far better instead of just documenting them then waving goodbye and telling them to come back… sometime for a hearing. Not arguing about far more being done on the border. We need it. Ignoring 'small' regional conflicts and watching them grow into something big enough to drag us into is not an option. If you say, who cares what they do over there, think about it. We have a lot of connections with the countries that would be affected. Trade, tourism (both directions), intelligence sharing, alliances, etc. You may not care about alliances with them, but our farmers, corporations, and tourism industry get a lot of their income from those countries.

This proves @elonmusk was right https://t.co/qYmcnNqopf

— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) February 5, 2024

My joint statement with @SteveScalise, @GOPMajorityWhip, and @RepStefanik regarding the Senate's immigration bill:

House Republicans oppose the Senate immigration bill because it fails in every policy area needed to secure our border and would actually incentivize more illegal…

— Speaker Mike Johnson (@SpeakerJohnson) February 5, 2024

House Republicans oppose the Senate immigration bill because it fails in every policy area needed to secure our border and would actually incentivize more illegal immigration.

Among its many flaws, the bill expands work authorizations for illegal aliens while failing to include critical asylum reforms. Even worse, its language allowing illegals to be 'released from physical custody' would effectively endorse the Biden 'catch and release' policy.

The so-called 'shutdown' authority in the bill is anything but, riddled with loopholes that grant far too much discretionary authority to Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas who has proven he will exploit every measure possible, in defiance of the law, to keep the border open.

The bill also fails to adequately stop the President's abuse of parole authority and provides for taxpayer funds to fly and house illegal immigrants in hotels through the FEMA Shelter and Services Program.

Because President Biden has refused to utilize his broad executive authority to end the border catastrophe that he has created, the House led nine months ago with the passage of the Secure the Border Act (H.R. 2). That bill contains the necessary components to actually stem the flow of illegals and end the present crisis. The Senate must take it up immediately.

America's sovereignty is at stake.

Any consideration of this Senate bill in its current form is a waste of time. It is DEAD on arrival in the House. We encourage the U.S. Senate to reject it.

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You go Biden man!

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Have you ever learned to do anything but troll?

eric76 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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You go Biden man!

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Have you ever learned to do anything but troll?

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Have you ever learned to absorb what honest posters are trying to tell you? It's not that hard. Quit being so liberal for just a little bit.

eric76 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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You go Biden man!

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Have you ever learned to do anything but troll?

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My joint statement with @SteveScalise, @GOPMajorityWhip, and @RepStefanik regarding the Senate's immigration bill:

House Republicans oppose the Senate immigration bill because it fails in every policy area needed to secure our border and would actually incentivize more illegal…

— Speaker Mike Johnson (@SpeakerJohnson) February 5, 2024

House Republicans oppose the Senate immigration bill because it fails in every policy area needed to secure our border and would actually incentivize more illegal immigration.

Among its many flaws, the bill expands work authorizations for illegal aliens while failing to include critical asylum reforms. Even worse, its language allowing illegals to be 'released from physical custody' would effectively endorse the Biden 'catch and release' policy.

The so-called 'shutdown' authority in the bill is anything but, riddled with loopholes that grant far too much discretionary authority to Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas who has proven he will exploit every measure possible, in defiance of the law, to keep the border open.

The bill also fails to adequately stop the President's abuse of parole authority and provides for taxpayer funds to fly and house illegal immigrants in hotels through the FEMA Shelter and Services Program.

Because President Biden has refused to utilize his broad executive authority to end the border catastrophe that he has created, the House led nine months ago with the passage of the Secure the Border Act (H.R. 2). That bill contains the necessary components to actually stem the flow of illegals and end the present crisis. The Senate must take it up immediately.

America's sovereignty is at stake.

Any consideration of this Senate bill in its current form is a waste of time. It is DEAD on arrival in the House. We encourage the U.S. Senate to reject it.

eric76 said:

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samurai_science said:

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eric76 said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Old Army Metal said:

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And just like that, the GOP owns the border crisis.

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Absolutely wrong. They're turning down a crap bill

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Just out of curiosity, exactly what is crap about it?

One of the few things that I read about it was that it would end "catch and release". Is that crap?

So which parts are crap and which aren't?

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This administration does not follow laws....so the bill is crap.

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The level of discourse on here could make one wonder if we are in some kind of South Park simulation.

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I posted everything that is wrong with the bill. Its crap. Anything else?

Old Army Metal said:

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And just like that, the GOP owns the border crisis.

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Good lord. Logic, common sense, and the truth are like kryptonite to Democrats.

Not going to read through the 6 pages above, but you know if Cornyn thinks this bill has problems, it's bad. Real bad.

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Dear Liberals trying to defend this POS bill:

If it's so tough and wonderful then why does it:

-Contain kill switches that allow the administration to ignore all enforcement provisions any time it wants

-Allows loopholes that keep catch and release in place

-Demands that any challenges to it go through a D.C. Dem court only

-Sunsets all the enforcement provisions each year until it is totally toothless

You'll not respond to this of course but just curious to see if one of you is capable of honesty

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Underrated post.

For the libs that ignored it the first time.