"I can fake being smart."

I'll bet you 83 million you're wrong. https://t.co/7m2OfSRffZ

— Ironhead841 (@Mt2Aguy) January 26, 2024

He hasn't.

And people better just suck it the **** up and vote for him.

jwhaby said:

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The Shank Ag said:

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jamey said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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Jack Boyette said:

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Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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aggielatoo said:

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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Maybe he just walked up.and grabbed her by the *****, as Trump himself says he does


Believing Trump is a far bigger stretch than believing her. The guy lies like a toddler, chocolate covered face, hand in the cookie jar

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You're completely broken. Have fun with Biden.

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I'd say my fellow conservatives not able to move on from him is a bigger factor for Biden probably being re-elected than people that are not fans by his behavior. I'm going to vote for him because I have to, but people need to seriously look at why many conservatives are done with him. It's a problem. If he's losing people that previously voted for him and alienated more that might, what's his path to victory? Apathy by those that voted Biden last time? Flipping a ton of suburban moms and blue collar workers in the Midwest, southwest, and Georgia?

What, at all, makes that look probable or even feasible with his continued actions?

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I make decisions based on the options presented. It's not that complicated. I can't vote for your super candidate because he quit. When the primary gets to Texas, it will be Trump and maybe Haley if she doesn't drop out. Who should I vote for? Both are polling above Biden, so I should be able to take my pick. If that's the case, I'll vote for the one that is best for me and my family. Haley seems like a neo-con RINO akin to the Bushes. I don't really care for that. Trump, while crass and not remotely close to a good person, did some good things that benefitted me while in office. Did he accomplish everything he set out to do? No, but tell me one president that has, especially when the swamp is working against them. If you think that Haley is going to be the candidate to secure the border, reduce taxes, cut regulations, achieve energy independence, protect the second amendment and keep world peace, you're seriously deluding yourself.

When the primary comes around, who are you going to vote for, assuming Haley is still in play?

More importantly, when the general election rolls around, and Trump is the Republican nominee, who will you vote for? Please tell me you're abstaining or voting third-party and then go on to lecture me about the irrationality of supporting Trump.

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You saw in my post I'm voting for him in general. And each of us damn well knows that had he not had the cultish following and polling he did before he even said he was running, another viable candidate would have put their hat in the ring. Desantis and Haley and Vivek were the only ones stupid enough to do so. There was no winning even if Reagan came back to life.

The problem many of us have is the lowest common denominator that vastly forms that cult not giving anyone else a true shot. A true smart GOP would have run him off knowing between the courtroom drama and complete whiff in 2020 with certain demos this would be doomed to fail. Let a new, young, true conservative voice be the face. Not a power hungry blowhard with no shot.

Flower Child said:

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Trump can't even win the TexAgs vote any more, but some on this board think he will do better in the general than he did in 2020?

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He will, or at least win big against Mr Corrupt.

The left and Trump haters are winning the narrative.

The number of Trump haters on Texags is 10x the supporters.

They are going to get what they deserve.

PA24 said:

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The left and Trump haters are winning the narrative.

The number of Trump haters on Texags is 10x the supporters.

They are going to get what they deserve.

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but.. but.

what about all those "muh rural voters" you have been pre-spiking the football about in thread after thread for months now?

you finally got what you wanted and have trolled incessantly about, and now that you have, you have turned on the flip of a dime.

Just going to throw this up again, because I called it a long time ago.

The Shank Ag said:

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The Shank Ag said:

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jamey said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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Jack Boyette said:

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Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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aggielatoo said:

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Come on, man. You know that lawsuit is horse ***** It's about as legitimate as the Kavanaugh accusation. He was acquitted of any criminal wrongdoing because it was an unverified story that happened back in 1996 to some lady that all of a sudden wants to file charges after almost 30 years…at a time when she's trying to sell a book. This is a joke. Even the civil proceedings are ridiculous. A jury found that Trump is guilty of defamation because he denied the rape charges (of which he was acquitted) which meant that the supposed victim was a liar. Everyone should be outraged at the abuses in our justice system. Instead, people are happy to turn a blind eye as long as Trump is the one being punished. The people who celebrate this and like to throw stones at Trump because of his poor moral character should duck.

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Maybe he just walked up.and grabbed her by the *****, as Trump himself says he does


Believing Trump is a far bigger stretch than believing her. The guy lies like a toddler, chocolate covered face, hand in the cookie jar

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You're completely broken. Have fun with Biden.

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I'd say my fellow conservatives not able to move on from him is a bigger factor for Biden probably being re-elected than people that are not fans by his behavior. I'm going to vote for him because I have to, but people need to seriously look at why many conservatives are done with him. It's a problem. If he's losing people that previously voted for him and alienated more that might, what's his path to victory? Apathy by those that voted Biden last time? Flipping a ton of suburban moms and blue collar workers in the Midwest, southwest, and Georgia?

What, at all, makes that look probable or even feasible with his continued actions?

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I make decisions based on the options presented. It's not that complicated. I can't vote for your super candidate because he quit. When the primary gets to Texas, it will be Trump and maybe Haley if she doesn't drop out. Who should I vote for? Both are polling above Biden, so I should be able to take my pick. If that's the case, I'll vote for the one that is best for me and my family. Haley seems like a neo-con RINO akin to the Bushes. I don't really care for that. Trump, while crass and not remotely close to a good person, did some good things that benefitted me while in office. Did he accomplish everything he set out to do? No, but tell me one president that has, especially when the swamp is working against them. If you think that Haley is going to be the candidate to secure the border, reduce taxes, cut regulations, achieve energy independence, protect the second amendment and keep world peace, you're seriously deluding yourself.

When the primary comes around, who are you going to vote for, assuming Haley is still in play?

More importantly, when the general election rolls around, and Trump is the Republican nominee, who will you vote for? Please tell me you're abstaining or voting third-party and then go on to lecture me about the irrationality of supporting Trump.

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You saw in my post I'm voting for him in general. And each of us damn well knows that had he not had the cultish following and polling he did before he even said he was running, another viable candidate would have put their hat in the ring. Desantis and Haley and Vivek were the only ones stupid enough to do so. There was no winning even if Reagan came back to life.

The problem many of us have is the lowest common denominator that vastly forms that cult not giving anyone else a true shot. A true smart GOP would have run him off knowing between the courtroom drama and complete whiff in 2020 with certain demos this would be doomed to fail. Let a new, young, true conservative voice be the face. Not a power hungry blowhard with no shot.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are, and some candidates know how to take advantage of that. Instead of calling the voters stupid and blaming them for the position that the GOP is in, maybe blame the GOP for not appealing to those voters or educating them about why a certain candidate is better for them. The GOP has had three years to find a viable candidate to oppose Biden and if Desantis can't pull more than 12% of the vote, that's his fault. Don't blame the voter, appeal to them and win them over.

Mowdy Ag said:

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It was the summer between 7th and 8th grade, when my level of mental maturity advanced beyond his.

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...but to clarify, if the 7th grader I left behind is my only "R" choice, I will push the button for him in November.

Not because I found him or he found me.

He is simply the lesser of two massively flawed evils.

Mowdy Ag said:

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Mowdy Ag said:

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It was the summer between 7th and 8th grade, when my level of mental maturity advanced beyond his.

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...but to clarify, if the 7th grader I left behind is my only "R" choice, I will push the button for him in November.

Not because I found him or he found me.

He is simply the lesser of two massively flawed evils.

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This election is more the evil of two lessers...

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Jack Boyette said:

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Aggie Apotheosis said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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aggielatoo said:

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He lost me when I realized that he claimed to be a Christian and yet his life is nothing but a shipload of lies, fraud and disgust.

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LOL, you're basically a Marxist. You were never going to vote for anyone with an R behind their name.

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Because if you don't like a man who sexually assaults women you must be a Marxist?

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Who did he sexually assault?

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A NY jury found Trump liable for sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll. I personally think they didn't come close to proving their case and only got a liable finding because of the jurisdiction, but Trump haters can claim that and use it as a cudgel because the "get Trump" DAs and AGs they elected lived up to their campaign promises.

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Yes, but this Mensa candidate is referring to women that "LET YOU grab them by the *****." That's not assault. Pretty sure most here have done so. I certainly have.

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I wanted DeSantis but will eagerly pull the trigger for Trump over [Democrat]

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Yep! I'm not for or against Trump, I'm voting against Marxism. He doesn't have to earn my vote, I love my family and this country too much to waste my vote for my over bloviated, narcissistic self worth. This election is only about trying to stem the tide, or possibly eliminating the leftist, Marxist agenda and the only candidate that has any chance to take the White House is the republican candidate, regardless of who that is.

It's Republicans or Marxist, it's that simple. He doesn't have to be perfect, just not a leftist, and anyone saying otherwise lacks intelligence and has an over inflated self worth.

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SpreadsheetAg said:

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I wanted DeSantis but will eagerly pull the trigger for Trump over [Democrat]

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Yep! I'm not for or against Trump, I'm voting against Marxism. He doesn't have to earn my vote, I love my family and this country too much to waste my vote for my over bloviated, narcissistic self worth. This election is only about trying to stem the tide, or possibly eliminating the leftist, Marxist agenda and the only candidate that has any chance to take the White House is the republican candidate, regardless of who that is.

It's Republicans are Marxist, it's that simple. He doesn't have to be perfect, just not a leftist, and anyone saying otherwise lacks intelligence and has an over inflated self worth.

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This. 100%.

The time to fight for your guy is in the primary. That's over. Anyone so self-involved they feel like their vote has to "earned" is an idiot.

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This election is more the evil of two lessers...

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Well said.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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He hasn't.

And people better just suck it the **** up and vote for him.

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Nope.

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Flower Child said:

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Trump can't even win the TexAgs vote any more, but some on this board think he will do better in the general than he did in 2020?

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He will, or at least win big against Mr Corrupt.

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If he does find a way to win, it'll never be "big".

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The left and Trump haters are winning the narrative.

The number of Trump haters on Texags is 10x the supporters.

They are going to get what they deserve.

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Do you promise?

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it.

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So we've moved on from "it's not a cult" to "it's a cult but that's a good thing".

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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MARXISM! Stop staring in the mirror and admiring yourself, you ain't that pretty. With all of Trump's faults, and there's many, but he also did a lot of positives, he's not a Marxist. That alone, is the only issue that matters in this next election! If you can't figure that one out on your own, then It's not the people you love too chastise who are ignorant.

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PA24 said:

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The left and Trump haters are winning the narrative.

The number of Trump haters on Texags is 10x the supporters.

They are going to get what they deserve.

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Do you promise?

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No, it's just a handful of loudmouths.

Gordo14 said:

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The two worst politicians in modern American History. Bernie Sanders then Donald Trump. I will vote against populist cults every time. Nikki is my hope for president, and if not I will vote Biden with the hopes that in 4 years the Republican party can rid themselves of Donald Trump and put a real candidate up against Gavin Newsome... He's much worse than Biden.

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The TDS is strong in this one!

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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MARXISM! Stop staring in the mirror and admiring yourself, you ain't that pretty. With all of Trump's faults, and there's many, but he also did a lot of positives, he's not a Marxist. That alone, is the only issue that matters in this next election! If you can't figure that one out on your own, then It's not the people you love too chastise who are ignorant.

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Obama was a marxist. Trump outspent his 8, in just 4.

You sure he isn't? He's definitely "playing one on television".

Jeeper79 said:

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PA24 said:

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The left and Trump haters are winning the narrative.

The number of Trump haters on Texags is 10x the supporters.

They are going to get what they deserve.

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Do you promise?

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You won't like it but will be the first to complain once it's here!

jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

Why should I bother to vote for Trump when his fans have spent 4 years ranting that the Dems waited to see how many votes they needed on election night anyway and paused to create that many out of thin air and stole the election, and have continued to rage that not a single thing has been done since then to correct or punish that behavior?

Well fine, you've convinced me, there's no point in voting for Trump since elections are fake anyway so I might as well write in Thomas Sowell or George Washington, right? Thanks for making this easy.

This nonsense idea that the election was stolen without consequences last time but if you don't vote for Trump this time you're a Marxist is comical. If my vote doesn't count anyway then no, I don't have to vote Trump and it won't matter.

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RGLAG85 said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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MARXISM! Stop staring in the mirror and admiring yourself, you ain't that pretty. With all of Trump's faults, and there's many, but he also did a lot of positives, he's not a Marxist. That alone, is the only issue that matters in this next election! If you can't figure that one out on your own, then It's not the people you love too chastise who are ignorant.

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Obama was a marxist. Trump outspent his 8, in just 4.

You sure he isn't? He's definitely "playing one on television".

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Two completely different issues Rob, and both were wrong, but thanks for proving my point about your mental acumen.

We can debate Trump's liberal leanings on certain issues all you want, but that's not what this election is about.

You keep admiring yourself though. Lol

BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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BigRobSA said:

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jwhaby said:

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

Joes said:

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Why should I bother to vote for Trump when his fans have spent 4 years ranting that the Dems waited to see how many votes they needed on election night anyway and paused to create that many out of thin air and stole the election, and have continued to rage that not a single thing has been done since then to correct or punish that behavior?

Well fine, you've convinced me, there's no point in voting for Trump since elections are fake anyway so I might as well write in Thomas Sowell or George Washington, right? Thanks for making this easy.

This nonsense idea that the election was stolen without consequences last time but if you don't vote for Trump this time you're a Marxist is comical. If my vote doesn't count anyway then no, I don't have to vote Trump and it won't matter.

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So, don't vote and watch how many lose sleep over it…

ArbAg said:

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Joes said:

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Why should I bother to vote for Trump when his fans have spent 4 years ranting that the Dems waited to see how many votes they needed on election night anyway and paused to create that many out of thin air and stole the election, and have continued to rage that not a single thing has been done since then to correct or punish that behavior?

Well fine, you've convinced me, there's no point in voting for Trump since elections are fake anyway so I might as well write in Thomas Sowell or George Washington, right? Thanks for making this easy.

This nonsense idea that the election was stolen without consequences last time but if you don't vote for Trump this time you're a Marxist is comical. If my vote doesn't count anyway then no, I don't have to vote Trump and it won't matter.

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So, don't vote and watch how many lose sleep over it…

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You gotta pick an argument, either say this election is very important and we need every vote we can get, or else say elections are fake anyway and it doesn't matter. It can't be both. It's laughable to be told that the other side just creates as many votes as they need at will but yet they still need my vote to defeat Marxism.

Why? If I vote they'll just create two more for their side anyway, right? That's what people have sworn for 4 years around here.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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You're still not understanding. I (me, myself) personally only vote based on policy. A candidate could have cheated on his wife, kicked a disabled person, clubbed a baby seal and saluted Hitler all on film in the past and as long as that person has the best policies for the betterment of me and my family, they will get my vote.

However, there are many people that actually do factor in their emotions when voting and they're on both sides of the aisle. Many on the left are focused on mean words and tweets, while on the right they're focused on fairness (MAGA feeling that Trump got screwed over) or morality (Never Trumpers insisting that they can only vote for Mother Theresa). Just like in advertising, this is why it's important for a candidate to have charisma and be a good communicator so that they can reach potential candidates and appeal to their emotions. In my opinion, Desantis either lacked the necessary traits to connect with people or didn't think it was important enough to do so. Intentional or not, he chose to stand on policy alone.

Now we're to the primaries where Desantis is no longer an option. Just to clarify, no matter how much you like a candidate or how much they align with your policies, if they're not on the ballot you can't vote for them. So that leaves Trump and Haley who are both currently polling ahead of Biden leaving me to choose the one who benefits me more (Trump in this case). If polls were showing that only Haley has a chance of defeating Biden, then I would make the rational decision to support her. Not because I think she has better policies than Trump but because I know she has better policies than Biden.

When the general election rolls around, Trump will most likely be the candidate. Again, I will make the ration decision to vote for him because he's the only choice and his policies are better than Biden's. Now, a conservative might think that they have other choices like abstaining or voting third-party but they would be irrational and a de facto vote for Biden. You can do all kinds of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but it just isn't so.

Since you don't vote for liberals, it's good to know that you will be pulling the lever for Trump in November.

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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Maybe you need to look in that mirror while you're calling someone an idiot.

I'll see if this might resonate, my loyalty to my family, their future and this country will trump my principles in this election.

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Didn't call you an idiot. I said the diatribe, which you're regurgitating, is idiotic and not based upon fact. Every 4 years it's the same stupidity.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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MARXISM! Stop staring in the mirror and admiring yourself, you ain't that pretty. With all of Trump's faults, and there's many, but he also did a lot of positives, he's not a Marxist. That alone, is the only issue that matters in this next election! If you can't figure that one out on your own, then It's not the people you love too chastise who are ignorant.

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Obama was a marxist. Trump outspent his 8, in just 4.

You sure he isn't? He's definitely "playing one on television".

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That doesn't make him a Marxist, dude. Your takes are beyond old and they're way too simplistic. The President doesn't have the purse strings, Congress does. You're also conveniently leaving out Covid and inflation. Newsflash: every President going forward is going to "outspend" the one before them. The debt, interest rates, the growing population all contribute to that. You live in a fantasy world. I'd live for it to be true too, but it isn't. Once you accept that, you can end your little tantrum and help the rest of us choose the best option AVAILABLE.

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You seem to be blaming Trump for having a cult following. Isn't that what every politician wants? Of course, but only those with charisma, magnetism and an effective style of communication can achieve it. Don't blame Trump that Desantis has the personality of a potato.

I think it's ridiculous that people would vote on emotion rather than rational policy decisions, but here we are,

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My vote is based upon "rational policy decisions", or the lack thereof, in respect to both dementia-addled geezer liberals.
Zero emotions.

And yet, you bring up the idea of "emotions" while talking about "charisma"...which is based upon.....yep...emotions. .

I do not vote for liberals.

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MARXISM! Stop staring in the mirror and admiring yourself, you ain't that pretty. With all of Trump's faults, and there's many, but he also did a lot of positives, he's not a Marxist. That alone, is the only issue that matters in this next election! If you can't figure that one out on your own, then It's not the people you love too chastise who are ignorant.

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Obama was a marxist. Trump outspent his 8, in just 4.

You sure he isn't? He's definitely "playing one on television".

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That doesn't make him a Marxist, dude. Your takes are beyond old and they're way too simplistic. The President doesn't have the purse strings, Congress does. You're also conveniently leaving out Covid and inflation. Newsflash: every President going forward is going to "outspend" the one before them. The debt, interest rates, the growing population all contribute to that. You live in a fantasy world. I'd live for it to be true too, but it isn't. Once you accept that, you can end your little tantrum and help the rest of us choose the best option AVAILABLE.

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I'm not leaving anything out.

Covid? Horribly dumb response by Trump admin. Started us down this inflationary spiral.

Inflation started under him. Biden just turned it to eleventy.

PoTUS signs onto the spending, or he doesn't.

Trump and Biden are not worthy of my vote, since they aren't conservative. It really is that "simple".

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I don't vote for liberals. I haven't yet, and not about to start. So, no, this idiotic diatribe of "if you don't vote for X, then you're voting for Y!" when I'm not voting for X or Y, at all, is exactly that....idiotic. Nobody is owed my vote.

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In 2016 that's what everyone told me, that my 3rd party vote was a vote for Hilary. Turns out their vote for Trump in 2016 was a vote for Biden in 2020 and possibly again in 2024.


Meanwhile, there's way more than enough votes for the lesser of evils to get a third party some seats and make actual changes


If there was ever a time for a 3rd party it's now