FL_Ag1998 said:
Congrats, you've reduced your vote for President of the United States down to "this pile of dog crap stinks less than that other pile of dog crap, so I guess it should run the Free World!".
Are you new to our country?
When did Trump lose you?
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Are you new to our country?
When he spent less time being presidential and more time acting like Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.
But in a likely losing effort, I will vote for him as the nominee.
ETA: Why do I think he will lose? As I said in another thread, I was prepared to vote FOR DeSantis. I will now be voting AGAINST Biden. On the aggregate, that is not a strong postition to be in.
But in a likely losing effort, I will vote for him as the nominee.
ETA: Why do I think he will lose? As I said in another thread, I was prepared to vote FOR DeSantis. I will now be voting AGAINST Biden. On the aggregate, that is not a strong postition to be in.
Texas velvet maestro said:
Nobody was calling out leftism loudly before Trump. He sounded the alarm.
LOLquois!?
Ron Paul?
Ted Cruz?
Tea Party?
Etc
Tons did it before he mewed about it.
Tumble Weed said:
I always thought that he was just a loud mouth yankee.
Looks like I will have to vote for the loud mouth yankee again. I am voting Republican no matter who they put on the ticket. Amazing that we cannot find anyone in America that is more qualified.
We did.
But nobody calculated the sheer amount of braindead dip****tery that abounds in the GOP.
I can't vote for Trump because I like NATO.
Oh and I also forgotBigRobSA said:GeorgiAg said:I don't understand this.agape79 said:
He NEVER lost me. I am an evangelical christian. In 2020, Trump received over 80% of the white evangelical vote. I appreciate what he has done for christians and the church. He is a modern day Cyrus.
- what church does he go to? How often does he go?
- Does he tithe?
- you saw where he can't even name a favorite bible verse?
- you heard the clip where he talked about grabbing women by their privates and that he just kisses women he finds attractive?
- you are aware he had sex with a porn star when his wife just had a pregnancy and had to pay her off to try and keep her quiet?
- you are aware that he had been adjudicated by a jury of raping a woman?
- you are of numerous other accusations of impropriety with other women?
- He has a widespread reputation of stiffing and having bad business ethics. What does the bible say about business ethics?
How on Earth is this man a hero to evangelical Christians?
All of that is clearly covered in Two Corinthians, Mister Falcon!!!!
- his opinion and treatment of the disabled (making fun of the gimp reporter by mimicking his disability), POW, - McCain and others, not wanting to go to a cemetery of the fallen, not being pictured with injured servicemen. That is not even remotely Christ-like
This is a great analogy, but I view Trump as the talented striker that the other team knows that all one of their guys has to do is insult him, and he will abandon his team and forget about the ball, instead focusing on the guy that insulted him.Phatbob said:
He definitely lost me in 2020, but he started losing my vote then, too. I genuinely don't think we will be in a better place in 20 years if he gets in office. Yes, he is theoretically better than Biden on policy positions, but he also is like the kid who is going to score goals in his own team because he gets turned around. His weaknesses are such that we are probably better on defense than on offense when he has the ball.
Never voting for a Democrat, but also not going to vote for Trump.
As a result, opportunities are missed to win the game.
that's why I used the adjective, loudly. He made all the difference. All those you name stand with him.BigRobSA said:Texas velvet maestro said:
Nobody was calling out leftism loudly before Trump. He sounded the alarm.
LOLquois!?
Ron Paul?
Ted Cruz?
Tea Party?
Etc
Tons did it before he mewed about it.
YupWaffledynamics said:
When he started running against his own record and started insulting other very good candidates and their followers and telling them he doesn't want them.
Also, when he and his followers will sacrifice objective reality in the face of a possible challenge to Trump.
Trump used to be the bulwark against that. He spoke many a truth that was not allowed to be told. Now, he and his supporters have shown themselves blatantly willing to lie and fabricate recent history that everyone remembers in order to win.
I and many others find it very insulting when we are told to put up with lies, insults, and mockery. You might as well ask me to vote for the Democrats.
The only rationalization I can think of is they like him for appointing justices to overturn RvW. Otherwise the cult mindset kicks in and they have to dismiss all of these things as a conspiracy witch hunt to take him down or something.GeorgiAg said:I don't understand this.agape79 said:
He NEVER lost me. I am an evangelical christian. In 2020, Trump received over 80% of the white evangelical vote. I appreciate what he has done for christians and the church. He is a modern day Cyrus.
- what church does he go to? How often does he go?
- Does he tithe?
- you saw where he can't even name a favorite bible verse?
- you heard the clip where he talked about grabbing women by their privates and that he just kisses women he finds attractive?
- you are aware he had sex with a porn star when his wife just had a pregnancy and had to pay her off to try and keep her quiet?
- you are aware that he had been adjudicated by a jury of raping a woman?
- you are of numerous other accusations of impropriety with other women?
- He has a widespread reputation of stiffing and having bad business ethics. What does the bible say about business ethics?
How on Earth is this man a hero to evangelical Christians?
Chaos and rage follow Trump everywhere he goes. He's always been slimy, unethical, and cruel. There are only so many excuses one can make for him.
The evangelical love for Trump is idolatry of the highest order. He's consistently praised as heroic and even godlike. This also ties in to Christian Nationalism that has become prevalent in evangelical churches--that is, seeing nationalism and faith intertwined and idolizing the United States as a whole. Disliking Trump is seen as equivalent to rejecting God and the Gospel. In some churches, if a member dislikes Trump, they are criticized and rejected by the rest of the congregation.
Trump saw red meat in this group of people and capitalized on it hard, and he's been very successful.
It's really been a sad sight to behold. We could write so many books on this topic. Many already have been written.
He never lost me. Until they put real candidates up, he is the least worst option that we are given.
I try not to judge others regarding their religionhowever autographing the Bible is so sacrilegious to me, it just confirmed my low opinion of him. I understand that people think he stands up to the democrats, but I can't live with his actions. And no I don't think Biden is a better choice. I could support DeSantis or Haley, but will never vote for Trump.
barbacoa taco said:The only rationalization I can think of is they like him for appointing justices to overturn RvW. Otherwise the cult mindset kicks in and they have to dismiss all of these things as a conspiracy witch hunt to take him down or something.GeorgiAg said:I don't understand this.agape79 said:
He NEVER lost me. I am an evangelical christian. In 2020, Trump received over 80% of the white evangelical vote. I appreciate what he has done for christians and the church. He is a modern day Cyrus.
- what church does he go to? How often does he go?
- Does he tithe?
- you saw where he can't even name a favorite bible verse?
- you heard the clip where he talked about grabbing women by their privates and that he just kisses women he finds attractive?
- you are aware he had sex with a porn star when his wife just had a pregnancy and had to pay her off to try and keep her quiet?
- you are aware that he had been adjudicated by a jury of raping a woman?
- you are of numerous other accusations of impropriety with other women?
- He has a widespread reputation of stiffing and having bad business ethics. What does the bible say about business ethics?
How on Earth is this man a hero to evangelical Christians?
Chaos and rage follow Trump everywhere he goes. He's always been slimy, unethical, and cruel. There are only so many excuses one can make for him.
The evangelical love for Trump is idolatry of the highest order. He's consistently praised as heroic and even godlike. This also ties in to Christian Nationalism that has become prevalent in evangelical churches--that is, seeing nationalism and faith intertwined and idolizing the United States as a whole. Disliking Trump is seen as equivalent to rejecting God and the Gospel. In some churches, if a member dislikes Trump, they are criticized and rejected by the rest of the congregation.
Trump saw red meat in this group of people and capitalized on it hard, and he's been very successful.
It's really been a sad sight to behold. We could write so many books on this topic. Many already have been written.
"Chaos and rage followed him"down the escalator at Trump Tower on Day 1 and it has raged unabated ever since. The argument against Trump that chaos follows him is so lame. When did chaos not follow him? Chaos will follow anybody who stands against this DC establishment, Marxists, Never Trumpers and RINO's who are destroying America. Trump '24, the Great Bug Zapper and Proven Warrior!
You couldn't pay me to vote for Trump again. I happily voted for him twice, but as he has gotten older he's just gone off the deep end. He was great for the country in 2016, but I don't think he would be great for the country in 2024. If he wins, great - it'll be another entertaining **** show. If not then we'll just need to keep the House or Senate another 4 years and we'll survive. If we don't manage that then burn, baby burn...
javajaws said:
You couldn't pay me to vote for Trump again. I happily voted for him twice, but as he has gotten older he's just gone off the deep end. He was great for the country in 2016, but I don't think he would be great for the country in 2024. If he wins, great - it'll be another entertaining **** show. If not then we'll just need to keep the House or Senate another 4 years and we'll survive. If we don't manage that then burn, baby burn...
Tell me how you think Biden would a superior choice and why, with any logic, you think that it is better to have the country "burn, baby burn"?
I'm not lost yet. I'd have liked another nominee but that's not going to happen so I'll vote for him.
I'm tired of the attacks at people that could vote for him. I wish he'd be a little less yankee blowhard and more self aware. Be firmly against the current admin and rake them over the coals while also being positive about what a 2nd term under him would look like and how he needs everybody to get there. Don't alienate 5 to make 1 that already was on your side get fired up.
I'm tired of the attacks at people that could vote for him. I wish he'd be a little less yankee blowhard and more self aware. Be firmly against the current admin and rake them over the coals while also being positive about what a 2nd term under him would look like and how he needs everybody to get there. Don't alienate 5 to make 1 that already was on your side get fired up.
Well he's dragged the party down for 3 consecutive elections.
But this time he'll be great.
<insert definition of insanity quote>
But this time he'll be great.
<insert definition of insanity quote>
Waffledynamics said:
When he started running against his own record and started insulting other very good candidates and their followers and telling them he doesn't want them.
Also, when he and his followers will sacrifice objective reality in the face of a possible challenge to Trump.
Trump used to be the bulwark against that. He spoke many a truth that was not allowed to be told. Now, he and his supporters have shown themselves blatantly willing to lie and fabricate recent history that everyone remembers in order to win.
I and many others find it very insulting when we are told to put up with lies, insults, and mockery. You might as well ask me to vote for the Democrats.
Put up or shut up, go ahead and vote for Mr. Magoo and communism if you feel its in your long term best interest.
They were fighting words for Batman.Bearpitbull said:
When he said he didn't like prisoners of war. When I was a kid, that would have gotten you an ass kicking.
2002 when I thought he was an ******* and hasn't done anything to change my mind that he's an *******.
I don't think Biden would be a better choice. But I won't vote for either of them. I think the only way this country gets better is if it hits rock bottom (and we're not there yet). So, yeah...burn baby burn. After that then people might stop voting like sheep for whatever candidate has the appropriate R or D next to their name.TAMUallen said:javajaws said:
You couldn't pay me to vote for Trump again. I happily voted for him twice, but as he has gotten older he's just gone off the deep end. He was great for the country in 2016, but I don't think he would be great for the country in 2024. If he wins, great - it'll be another entertaining **** show. If not then we'll just need to keep the House or Senate another 4 years and we'll survive. If we don't manage that then burn, baby burn...
Tell me how you think Biden would a superior choice and why, with any logic, you think that it is better to have the country "burn, baby burn"?
rathAG05 said:jwhaby said:
Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.
Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.
I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?
Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.
Don't tell me to vote for the guy that did basically nothing while rioters burned cities, people were forced to lose their livelihoods, and people were forced to watch their loved ones die alone on Zoom and then not get a funeral.ArbAg said:Waffledynamics said:
When he started running against his own record and started insulting other very good candidates and their followers and telling them he doesn't want them.
Also, when he and his followers will sacrifice objective reality in the face of a possible challenge to Trump.
Trump used to be the bulwark against that. He spoke many a truth that was not allowed to be told. Now, he and his supporters have shown themselves blatantly willing to lie and fabricate recent history that everyone remembers in order to win.
I and many others find it very insulting when we are told to put up with lies, insults, and mockery. You might as well ask me to vote for the Democrats.
Put up or shut up, go ahead and vote for Mr. Magoo and communism if you feel its in your long term best interest.
And who shows zero remorse or sympathetic anger at the politicians and bureaucrats who did any of it.
Andrew Dufresne said:
If you were to go back in time a few years you'd notice that this board was once 80%+ MAGA..
Now, fast forward to today and this board is seemingly 80%+ against MAGA...
this tells me we have a ton of converts here..
So.. tell me, convert.. what moment caused you to jump off of the "Trump Train" ?
I think you're exaggerating how many diehard supporters Trump had. There were people who voted for him and people who liked him punching back at the left, but a lot of people who felt that way also had reservations about him.
I never much liked or respected him. For a while, I tolerated his many failings by focusing on what I perceived as a genuine love for America and willingness to take the fight to the left.
I was already holding my nose when I voted for him the first time.
Over the course of his presidency, his horrible discipline, bad leadership, and poor communication eroded what remaining faith I had in his executive competence.
He "lost" me for good, where I no longer believed that any true love for America he has can ever outweigh his own petty grievances, during the Georgia Senate runoff.
I've come to believe he's truly the worst possible R candidate to be POTUS. And I absolutely hate the fact that I'm going to be stuck voting for him again for a third time.
Truly mind boggling how bad these two candidates are.
jwhaby said:rathAG05 said:jwhaby said:
Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.
Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.
I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?
Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.
A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.
Waffledynamics said:Don't tell me to vote for the guy that did basically nothing while rioters burned cities, people were forced to lose their livelihoods, and people were forced to watch their loved ones die alone on Zoom and then not get a funeral.ArbAg said:Waffledynamics said:
When he started running against his own record and started insulting other very good candidates and their followers and telling them he doesn't want them.
Also, when he and his followers will sacrifice objective reality in the face of a possible challenge to Trump.
Trump used to be the bulwark against that. He spoke many a truth that was not allowed to be told. Now, he and his supporters have shown themselves blatantly willing to lie and fabricate recent history that everyone remembers in order to win.
I and many others find it very insulting when we are told to put up with lies, insults, and mockery. You might as well ask me to vote for the Democrats.
Put up or shut up, go ahead and vote for Mr. Magoo and communism if you feel its in your long term best interest.
And who shows zero remorse or sympathetic anger at the politicians and bureaucrats who did any of it.
Wait, are you talk ing about Biden or Trump? Both guys let it happen.
.The Shank Ag said:
I'm not lost yet. I'd have liked another nominee but that's not going to happen so I'll vote for him.
I'm tired of the attacks at people that could vote for him. I wish he'd be a little less yankee blowhard and more self aware. Be firmly against the current admin and rake them over the coals while also being positive about what a 2nd term under him would look like and how he needs everybody to get there. Don't alienate 5 to make 1 that already was on your side get fired up.
But he's proven time and time again that he's incapable of each item that you listed. I still can't believe we find ourselves having to vote for this buffoon again.
This is where I am. I like a lot of Trump's ideals, but sometimes not his personality or brashness. Wish he had been more persuasive when he had the chance in his first term and got more stuff passed into law...
I don't however think DeSantis is better. He talks a good game with Trump's gameplan, but I think DeSantis would just become another RINO mostly in DC...They would break him down...
So I would vote for Trump just because he is the least worst option right now.
I don't however think DeSantis is better. He talks a good game with Trump's gameplan, but I think DeSantis would just become another RINO mostly in DC...They would break him down...
So I would vote for Trump just because he is the least worst option right now.
"I just grab them by the *****."Quote:
When did Trump lose you?
ME TOOJhar54 said:
rathAG05 said:jwhaby said:rathAG05 said:jwhaby said:
Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.
Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.
I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?
Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.
A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.
Got it. You don't think Trump can beat Biden. Do you know that Haley can? If you don't actually know? Then it's sounds like you're guessing on both fronts. Also, I don't know that I would solely focus on NH exit polls as a proxy for what will happen in any election. Maybe you have some historical data that shows a strong correlation. I don't keep track of that stuff.
Correct.rathAG05 said:Waffledynamics said:Don't tell me to vote for the guy that did basically nothing while rioters burned cities, people were forced to lose their livelihoods, and people were forced to watch their loved ones die alone on Zoom and then not get a funeral.ArbAg said:Waffledynamics said:
When he started running against his own record and started insulting other very good candidates and their followers and telling them he doesn't want them.
Also, when he and his followers will sacrifice objective reality in the face of a possible challenge to Trump.
Trump used to be the bulwark against that. He spoke many a truth that was not allowed to be told. Now, he and his supporters have shown themselves blatantly willing to lie and fabricate recent history that everyone remembers in order to win.
I and many others find it very insulting when we are told to put up with lies, insults, and mockery. You might as well ask me to vote for the Democrats.
Put up or shut up, go ahead and vote for Mr. Magoo and communism if you feel its in your long term best interest.
And who shows zero remorse or sympathetic anger at the politicians and bureaucrats who did any of it.
Wait, are you talk ing about Biden or Trump? Both guys let it happen.
Did you vote for these?Agasaurus Tex said:
He dodged the draft during the Vietnam war. I don't understand how anyone who was drafted and served could vote for this coward.
Bill
Obama
Hillary
Biden
Kamala
Al Gore
Exit polls show Haley is significantly more attractive to moderates and independents. And if MAGA and DeSantis supporters really put their money where their mouths are, they'd still vote for her, too. Anyone but a Dem, right? She's the most straight-line path to a GOP victory with the possibility of voting for Rs down ballot instead of against them.jwhaby said:rathAG05 said:jwhaby said:rathAG05 said:jwhaby said:
Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.
Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.
I don't follow. Do you not think Trump is irrational and therefore would not vote for himself?
Or maybe you're saying that Trump isn't a rational adult therefore you won't vote for him…which would help Biden win the presidency. I guess Biden is the rational adult you prefer. Bold choice.
A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for Biden in the General Election. He is going to lose. NH exit polls exposed how weak he is.
Got it. You don't think Trump can beat Biden. Do you know that Haley can? If you don't actually know? Then it's sounds like you're guessing on both fronts. Also, I don't know that I would solely focus on NH exit polls as a proxy for what will happen in any election. Maybe you have some historical data that shows a strong correlation. I don't keep track of that stuff.
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